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Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life
Date 2016-12-12 03:14 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 11:47:48 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>> 
>> >On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 9:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> >> >Idiot I didn't say that the ether has motion. I said that every object 
>> >> >in our universe is moving in a stationary ether. Gee you are stupid.
>> >> 
>> >> Einstein said the aether doesn't have the property of motion. 
>> 
>> >So??? But the objects, within the aether, have motions.
>> 
>> But the aether does not have the properties of motion. Einstein didn't
>> say objects don't have the property of motion, he said the aether doesn't
>> have the property of motion.

>Fucking idiot

Yes, you are.

>the aether is not moving.....

"Not Moving" is a property of motion.  Stating the aether isn't moving is
in conflict with Einstein's statement that the aether does not have the 
properties of motion.

Not having the property of motion does not mean the motion is 0. It means
it just doesn't make sense to describe motion relative to it. It's like
discussing the property of motion of the color green.  The color green
does not have the property of motion. It doesn't make sense to discuss 
the motion of green.

>>That means that
>> to a particular object X, the aether is moving with respect to X, not
>> stationary with respect to it. X is stationary with respect to X. 

>Fucking idiot.....

Yes, you still are.

>X is moving within the stationary aether

Which means that to X, the aether is moving.  Motion is relative.

>> Remember,
>> motion is relative.

>> Repeat for every object in the universe, and the aether is moving in respect
>> to every object in the universe (since you claim no object is stationary
>> wrt to the aether).

>No moron.....the aether is not moving.

To X it is.  If X is moving relative to the aether, that obviously means
the aether is moving relative to X, in the opposite direction.  Only X
itself or an object comoving with X is stationary to X. That excludes your
aether.

Now repeat for every particle in the universe.  If every particle in
the universe is moving with respect to the aether (which is your claim),
that means the aether is moving with respect to every particle in the
universe.

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    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 09:25 -0600
    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 09:35 -0600
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-02 19:36 -0500
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    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-02 00:25 -0800
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    Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-02 13:33 +0000
      Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-02 06:27 -0800
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        Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-12-03 05:16 +1100
          Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 12:25 -0600
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-02 12:30 -0600
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-12-03 03:10 -0800
            Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-04 10:33 -0800
              Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-04 15:43 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-10 09:42 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 02:28 +0000
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 19:03 -0800
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                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 07:25 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-11 16:47 +0000
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-11 11:51 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-12 03:14 +0000
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-12 06:03 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 08:48 -0600
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                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-17 16:44 +0000
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                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-12-18 06:30 -0800
                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-19 05:08 +0000
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                Re: Logic, reasoning and SR: how to waste 10 years of your life moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-13 13:09 +0000
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