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Re: Where are the Einsteinians after all?

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On 7/14/2016 10:53 AM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:04:29 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/13/2016 7:55 AM, Omar Shabsigh wrote:
>>> Dear group
>>> I have just posted a research paper on  http://viXra.org/abs/1607.0155 . It is 31 pages.
>>>
>>> Here is an abstract:
>>>
>>> ((This article discusses the validity of Einstein’s relativity theory. All assumptions of Einstein and
>>> his mathematics (where it exists) will be reviewed. Experiments done to show the validity will be
>>> restudied then we shall show that special relativity is only theoretically correct under the constraints
>>> and conditions made by Einstein but has no practical or scientific value. We shall also show that general
>>> relativity is basically wrong and has no scientific foundation and no proof.
>>> Therefore, all relativity theory of Einstein’s, can be righteously considered as a science fiction.))
>>>
>>> And remember I was one of the first people to put a gravestone on Einstein's relativity and now this research
>>> is the culmination. Goodbye to the legend.
>>>
>>
>> I read the first chunk of your paper.
>> My understanding of your position is basically this:
>> You believe that we should be exploring the cosmos, visiting other stars
>> and galaxies, as some kind of Manifest Destiny of mankind. You believe
>> that science is limitless in what it can accomplish, if it puts its mind
>> to it, and that includes anything that anyone might now claim to be
>> impossible.
> Dear Maker of Fine Toys, Tools and Tables {I like such makers especially if they make them of wood. Cheers} No,
> I am not talking about any illusions  but about the universe as it is.

Alright, and so the question is, what are the rules that nature behaves by?

> It is there and by nature the human being is a discoverer. Yes SCIENCE is as limitless as the universe is.
> Yes I talk about faster than speed of light velocities (BSOL) travel. This is what struck me first as a very
> unrealistic constraint on the speed of travel put up by Einstein.

You say this constraint is unrealistic, and so my simple question is WHY 
you think nature does not abide by a speed limit? Do you have any reason 
to believe that nature does not exhibit a speed limit, from 
observational data, or do you just hope that there is no such speed limit?

> But he was wrong as I explained further in
> my research paper, his reason was his refusal to think about things that cannot be seen by the human eye. He
> put up a postulate and built unproven and unprovable facts on it.
> I am not talking about time travel, nor precognition nor any of the things you mentioned.

OK, but you see, all of these things may be phenomena that we talk about 
in a fictional way, or even have hopes that there are real occurrences 
of them, but it may well be that they are simply not possible. The 
reason they may not be possible is that they would counter the laws that 
nature operates by.

So the same is true for faster-than-light travel, is it not? The 
prospect of it has to be vetted against whether nature abides by rules 
that allow it.

> Scientific research should be done correctly by meticulously testing, measuring
> and verifying all facts, then science will be on the correct road to progress.
> Not as Einstein and his disciples did when they colonized science for a century
> for the sake of personal profit no matter how it is. Delaying progress.

We may not be on the same page here. I believe that every single one of 
Einstein's claims has been put to meticulous test, with measuring and 
verifying all facts. I don't believe there is a single claim you can 
point to where a test and a retest and a re-retest has not been done.

>
>  Faster-than-light travel, time travel, precognition,
>> antigravity, machines that do work without any energy input at all --
>> all of these things should be conquered by science, according to you.
>>
>> Therefore, according to you, any claimed law of physics that prohibits
>> any of these ventures is to be considered evil and counter to science,
>> or at least science as you understand it. Thus if any physical law
>> claims that a perpetual motion machine is impossible, then the law is to
>> be considered evil and struck down. If there is a law that prohibits
>> faster-than-light travel and the possibility of visiting the cosmos,
>> then that physical law is evil, should be struck down, and the
>> proponents of the law discredited.
>>
> No I am not talking about all these  ventures. In my research I talked only
> briefly about BSOL travel.
> I claim as I said above that all laws of physics, if they pass testing,
> measurement and verifications are ok by me.

Well, it seems pretty verified to me, by experiment, that the speed of 
light cannot be surpassed, despite many many many attempts to show 
otherwise.

>
> Besides I did not mention "evil laws"
> BSOL travel is possible as I proved in my paper and it will happen within the
> next 30 - 40 years and alas I shall not see it. Please read the full paper.

I don't know how you can say it will happen within the next 30-40 years 
if you are not personally working on the demonstration that it is 
possible. Who do you know that is younger than you and is working on the 
demonstration that faster-than-light-travel is possible?

>  Have I captured your position correctly?
>
> HAVE YOU CAPTURED MY POSITION CORRECTLY?
> Omar
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Where are the Einsteinians after all? Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 05:55 -0700
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      Re: Where are the Einsteinians after all? Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:53 -0700
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