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Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v

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On 17/02/2017 8:22 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
> On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 4:11:15 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 17/02/2017 1:16 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:12:41 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 16/02/2017 5:06 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The experiment cannot be valid *for SR* or it must change
>>>>> its hypothesis about the addition of velocities and the
>>>>> postulate of the constancy of light. Light is anisotropic if
>>>>> it transmits as c+v and c-v according to Michelson or if the
>>>>> speed limit of light exceeds 300000000m/sec as per
>>>>> Michelson's c+v.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The experiment is a piece of equipment that behaves in a
>>>> particular way. How it behaves is something that can be
>>>> observed, and is an objective result that is independent of any
>>>> theory or postulates. It behaves in the same way regardless of
>>>> what you, I, or anyone else, knows, or doesn't know, about why
>>>> it was built. It just sits there are does what it does.
>>>>
>>>> In what sense can the experiment be said to be invalid?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> It should be invalid for SR because it uses algorithms that are
>>> invalid in the theory of SR: the speed of light cannot vary and
>>> it cannot exceed 300000000m/sec. Michelson uses c+v (variation
>>> and excess) and c-v (variation).
>>>
>> It doesn't use algorithms, formulae, theories or anything else.
>> It's just a piece of apparatus that's doing something. Would you
>> deny its existence?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> The interferometer was used by Michelson according to formulas
> described in his papers of 1881 and 1887. The experiment proved or
> disproved nothing and was invalid for the purpose of SR because it
> violated Einstein's hypothesis of the additions of velocities.
>

The interferometer showed no fringe shift when the apparatus was 
rotated, even at different times of the year. That is the significant 
point. It is an objective fact and has nothing to do with the addition 
of velocities, or anything else.

The task then is to find a theory that models this.

Sylvia.

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MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 01:09 -0800
  Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:33 +0100
    Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:12 +0100
    Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 04:05 -0800
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-02-14 13:24 +0100
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 22:27 -0800
          Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:46 +0100
          Cretin Peter Riedt insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-02-15 11:32 -0800
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 14:01 +0100
  Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:39 -0600
    Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 04:48 -0800
    Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 16:27 -0800
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:34 +0100
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 22:59 -0800
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-15 11:06 -0800
          Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:18 -0800
            Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-15 16:35 -0800
              Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 19:04 -0800
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:13 -0800
          Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:46 +0100
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:53 -0600
  Cretin Peter Riedt keeps repeating the same cretinisms "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-02-14 06:13 -0800
  MMX c+v NE SR c+v "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:12 -0800
  Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-15 12:04 +1100
    Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 21:59 -0800
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-15 17:09 +1100
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:24 -0800
          Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 13:12 +1100
            Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 19:02 -0800
              Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 14:25 +1100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 22:06 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:32 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 18:12 +1100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 08:32 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-16 18:17 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:37 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-16 18:16 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:47 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:20 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:54 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-17 00:36 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:17 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:36 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:14 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:33 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-17 19:11 +1100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:22 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-17 20:35 +1100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:39 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:02 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 02:11 -0800
            Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-16 10:27 -0800
              Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 10:54 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-16 12:50 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 18:44 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-17 09:55 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 11:29 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-17 12:26 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 19:28 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 21:17 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 21:40 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:58 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 13:44 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:16 +0000
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:29 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:58 +0000
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:14 +0000
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:27 +0100
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:55 +0000
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 13:29 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 13:34 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 15:10 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 15:22 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 16:52 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 18:03 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 21:10 -0800
                Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-19 09:46 -0800
          Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:48 +0100
      Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:41 +0100
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 23:02 -0800
        Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 15:04 +1100

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