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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v |
| Date | 2017-02-16 14:25 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <egkkd0Ff5b6U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <ed8b6be5-66a7-4355-a9d0-8496769fd075@googlegroups.com> <egi9lfFhm5U1@mid.individual.net> <d6ea249a-956b-4fd0-a23e-d58ee861827e@googlegroups.com> <egkg55FeekcU1@mid.individual.net> <94023fca-5650-4743-bd36-993a29a7afd0@googlegroups.com> |
On 16/02/2017 2:02 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 10:12:55 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else > wrote: >> On 16/02/2017 11:24 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 2:09:54 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else >>> wrote: >>>> On 15/02/2017 4:59 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:04:44 AM UTC+8, Sylvia >>>>> Else wrote: >>>>>> On 14/02/2017 8:09 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>>>>>> MMX c+v NE SR c+v >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michelson: c+v = 300030000m/sec; Einstein c+v = >>>>>>> 300000000m/sec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Michelson is right, the speed of light is anisotropic. >>>>>>> If Einstein is right SR cannot claim MMX is a valid >>>>>>> experiment >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> MMX is a piece of apparatus that exhibits some behaviour. >>>>>> The motivations and beliefs of its builders are irrelevant. >>>>>> The task of the physicist is to model the behaviour. >>>>>> >>>>>> SR models it well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> SR and MMX differ in respect of the constancy of light. >>>>> >>>> >>>> So what? >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> The speed of light varies according to the speed of the target >>> and the angle between the target and the angle of motion and can >>> be c+v, c-v, c (parallel) or c subject to angle. I have outlined >>> it in a previous post. >>> >> >> So you assert, but that model does not properly describe the result >> of the MMX experiment. >> >> Sylvia. > > I am not describing the model of MMX. I was using c+v, c-v, c and > oblique c to describe the possible variations of the speed of light > in another post. In this post I am referring to the differences of > the additions of the speed of light as used by Michelson and > Einstein. > Your original posting in this thread claims that if SR is correct, then MMX is not a valid experiment. Your argument appears to be that if SR is correct, then since Michelson and Morley were mistaken in their ideas, the null result of their experiment cannot be used to support SR. I am questioning the concept of an "invalid experiment". I am saying that all experiments are valid, in as much as they physically exist, and produce results, and any misconceptions on the part of the experimenters are irrelevant. Thus the null result of the experiment supports SR. Sylvia.
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MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 01:09 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:33 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 11:12 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 04:05 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-02-14 13:24 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 22:27 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:46 +0100
Cretin Peter Riedt insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-02-15 11:32 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 14:01 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 06:39 -0600
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 04:48 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 16:27 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:34 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 22:59 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-15 11:06 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:18 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-15 16:35 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 19:04 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:13 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:46 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:53 -0600
Cretin Peter Riedt keeps repeating the same cretinisms "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-02-14 06:13 -0800
MMX c+v NE SR c+v "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-14 07:12 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-15 12:04 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 21:59 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-15 17:09 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 16:24 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 13:12 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 19:02 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 14:25 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 22:06 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:32 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 18:12 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 08:32 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-16 18:17 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:37 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-16 18:16 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 07:47 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 23:20 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 08:54 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-17 00:36 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:17 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:36 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:14 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:33 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-17 19:11 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 01:22 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-17 20:35 +1100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 10:39 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:02 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-16 02:11 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-16 10:27 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 10:54 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-16 12:50 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-16 18:44 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-17 09:55 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 11:29 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-17 12:26 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 19:28 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-02-17 21:17 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-17 21:40 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 08:58 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 13:44 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:16 +0000
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:29 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:14 +0000
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-18 14:27 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sanjuanita Peeples <naalu@nwmeela.org> - 2017-02-18 13:55 +0000
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 13:29 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 13:34 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 15:10 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 15:22 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 16:52 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-18 18:03 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-18 21:10 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v alsor@interia.pl - 2017-02-19 09:46 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:48 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:41 +0100
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-14 23:02 -0800
Re: MMX c+v NE SR c+v Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-16 15:04 +1100
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