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On 15/08/2016 3:15 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 12:55:40 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>> If the orbit is not necessarily circular, then your statement that
>> the object is in orbit around the sun at 50,000,000km makes no
>> sense.
>>
>> Since GR reduces to Kepler's third law, and that law gives t, it
>> follows GR tives t. The value of v is obtained by simple geometry
>> (distance over time). I don't know what you intend by saying that
>> it doesn't give r - r is an input to the calculation.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> The object is at a distance from the sun of 50,000,000km which is the
> semi major axis of the object. All the planets have a fixed semi
> major axis and at the same time are elliptical.

If you intended semi-major axis, you should have said so. Why are you so 
imprecise in your wording?
>
> Kepler's third law gives t but GR does not. The phrase 'GR reduces to
> Kepler's third law' is ambiguous. It is either one or the other and
> it is not GR.

A full expansion of the equations of relativity applied to this 
situation will include a large number of terms. Given the values of the 
Sun's mass, the object's mass (considered to be small compared with that 
of the Sun) and the distance involved, almost all of those terms will be 
vanishingly small, and can be ignored. What's left corresponds to 
Kepler's third law.

>
> Another request: Can you tell me what is t for a semi major axis of
> 50,000,000km?
>

I can't be bothered. Plug the values into Kepler's third law formula if 
you want to know.

Sylvia.

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GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-11 19:31 -0700
  Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 07:17 -0500
    Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-12 17:26 -0700
      Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-13 12:01 +1000
        Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-12 20:51 -0700
          Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 11:45 -0500
            Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-13 17:32 -0700
              Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 09:33 -0500
          Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-14 14:34 +1000
            Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-14 01:28 -0700
              Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-15 12:41 +1000
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-14 20:41 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-15 14:55 +1000
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-14 22:15 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-15 16:04 +1000
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-14 23:50 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-15 17:03 +1000
                Re: GR cannot Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 13:23 +0200
                Re: GR cannot Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 15:15 +0200
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 06:42 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 20:26 +0200
                Re: GR cannot Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 22:05 +0200
                Re: GR cannot Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 00:19 +0200
                Re: GR cannot mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-15 22:56 -0700
                Re: GR cannot JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 14:31 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 14:52 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-17 08:33 +0200
                Re: GR cannot JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 11:28 -0700
                Re: GR cannot mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-17 23:39 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:06 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:04 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 09:29 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 11:44 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 11:57 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 10:08 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 12:15 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 20:29 +0200
              Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 09:40 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 09:58 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 12:05 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 10:11 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 13:27 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-16 20:16 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-16 23:10 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-16 22:48 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:52 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 10:16 -0700
                Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 13:27 -0500
      Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 11:42 -0500
    Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-13 17:28 -0700
      Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 09:31 -0500
        Re: GR cannot Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-15 09:33 -0700
          Re: GR cannot Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 11:52 -0500
  Re: GR cannot Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 00:10 +0200

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