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Re: Classical entanglement.

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Classical entanglement.
Date	2016-06-30 11:48 +1000
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On 29/06/2016 11:15 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu środa, 29 czerwca 2016 03:59:19 UTC+2 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>
>>> |There's no way a theory can affect actual results.
>>>
>>> Naive and innocent.
>>> Ond off topic.
>>>
>>
>> Now you're just being silly.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You're silly, Sylvia. Bakers or sailors don't perform
> Your experiments. Why? Because to perform an experiment You
> must know how.

> Without a theory there is no experiment and no result.
> There is no way to avoid the influence of the theory
> to the results.
> Should be obvious even for a physicist. But it isn't.
>

The theory points to a way of performing the experiment, but the 
experimental results stand apart from the theory. In the entangled 
photon case, the results are just a recording of which angle was 
measured, and whether or not the photon was polarised at that angle.

Using the usual Alice and Bob description, Alice's decisions consist of 
measuring at 0 or 30 degrees, and can be recorded as Z or A, and her 
results are just Y or N (being whether or not the photon was polarised 
at that angle). Bob's decisions consist of measuring at 0 or -30 degrees 
also recorded as Z or A, and his results are also Y or N.

So in both cases, the results consist of strings of paired letters: ZY 
ZN, AY and AN.

When we bring the results together, we get pairs of paired letters. In 
each case, the second letters of the pairs are either the same, or they 
are different.

When both first letters are Z, the second letters are always the same. 
When one of the first letters is Z, the second letters differ 1 time in 4.

Now, the crux of the matter is what happens when both first letters are 
A. A purely local model says requires that the second letters differ no 
more than 2 times in 4. They actually differ 3 times in 4.

So the results, considered as just groups of letters, cannot be 
represented by a local model. It is the results themselves that are 
non-locally correlated, without any requirement for them to be 
interpreted in terms of some theory.

Sylvia.

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Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-27 04:52 -0700
  Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-27 22:01 +1000
    Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-27 05:02 -0700
      Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-27 22:17 +1000
        Re: Classical entanglement. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-27 06:25 -0700
    Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-27 05:13 -0700
      Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-27 22:28 +1000
        Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-27 05:40 -0700
          Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 11:46 +1000
            Re: Classical entanglement. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-28 09:08 +0200
              Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 19:48 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-28 02:59 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 20:23 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-28 04:00 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 21:46 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-28 05:42 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-29 11:58 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-28 21:11 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-29 14:24 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 04:24 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-29 22:03 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 06:15 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 11:28 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 19:13 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 12:34 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 20:02 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 14:12 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 21:38 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 14:49 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:11 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-30 11:57 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-01 12:34 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 07:42 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-01 07:55 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 10:15 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-01 08:43 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-01 09:09 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 13:29 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-01 17:56 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-02 08:35 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-04 10:07 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 12:57 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-02 12:55 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-02 00:06 -0500
                Re: Classical entanglement. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-29 20:00 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-28 12:52 +0200
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 21:47 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-28 15:19 +0200
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-29 11:59 +1000
                Re: Classical entanglement. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-29 06:15 -0700
                Re: Classical entanglement. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 11:48 +1000
  Re: Classical entanglement. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-02 12:06 -0700

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