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Re: How many Black Holes are there?

Message-ID <5BF65ECD.2E33@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2018-11-21 23:46 -0800
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: How many Black Holes are there?
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palsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:26:49 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > palsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:54:06 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > palsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How many Black Holes are there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > maybe yous people didn't understand the question...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many Black Holes are there?  "are there?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "are there" means...in a place or position.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "are there"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many Black Holes ... *are there*?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Look, I understand yous numbers guys like to say 'billions and billions'...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'billions and billions of earths', and 'billions and billions of black holes'...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but the question is...How many Black Holes are there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know, confirmed..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is it 10... or around 20? maybe 25??
> > > > >
> > > > > Another guy who can't be bothered to look this up for himself, but would rather just make a wild-ass guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here you go, Lazy...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
> > > > >
> > > > > I count 139 on that page, including galaxies containing bit double and triple black holes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That link you provided reads:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is an ordered list of the most massive black holes so far discovered (and probable candidates),
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You would have to omit (probable candidates) since "probable candidates" you cannot confirm that which you have no proof of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would estimate there are over 100 probable candidates.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That leaves 10 balck holes... or around 20? or maybe even  25?? But certaintly not 130 since you didn't omit  probable candidates.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There you go, Lazy...
> > >
> > > In the interest of accuracy, the page says "This is a list of black holes (and stars considered probable candidates)". Note it says "stars" and not Supermassive black holes, which are definitely not individual stars.
> >
> >
> > Okay Lazy, here it is on the line you provided:
> >
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
> >
> >
> > Supermassive black holes and candidates
> >
> > (then under it it reads: See also: List of most massive black holes and List of quasars)
> >
> > Then, you put your mouse on the highlighted link:
> >
> >
> > List of most massive black holes
> >
> >
> > The link pop-up reads: This is an ordered list of the most massive black holes so far discovered (and probable candidates)
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
> >
> >
> >
> > Here you go, Lazy...
> 
> So, what's your point? 'Probable candidates' is a strong statement, 

Maybe you don't know what the word "Probable" means...it means no proof. How can you confirm something without proof?





>and I see where casually dismissed my question about how you 'estimated' that there were over 100 'probable candidates'?


The math is simple, you counted 139 black holes and I took away the  'probable candidates', 

 139  Supermassive black holes and candidates
- 25  confirmed
_________
114  'probable candidates'


There are over 100  'probable candidates' (they don't count).









and i didn't say two dozen...Here you go, Lazy...

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