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Re: the information paradox

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > RichD wrote:
> > >
> > > There's been a kerfuffle about information disappearing
> > > into black holes.  The Information Conservationists claim
> > > victory, but it seems still moot.
> >
> > It doesn't disapear into black holes, it just goes in..
> > you can be on the inside or other side of the black hole to watch it coming in.
> >
> > >
> > > In a recent seminar on the topic, the speaker claimed
> > > that if information leaks out via Hawking radiation,
> > > we encounter a conundrum: escaping a black hole, requires
> > > faster than light transport, violating etc.  The premise
> > > here is that information is a 'thing', which must obey relativity.
> >
> > That is why Einstein hated Neil...it was Neil who began the agrgument that information travels faster than light.
> >
> > And Einstein believes the opposite. It's not that information must obey relativity...it's that
> > information must obey Albert Einstein. It's not Science, it's personal.
> >
> > >
> > > Does this argument stand up?  SR is a classical theory,
> > > of stuff moving through space.  Black hole evaporation
> > > is a purely quantum phenomenon, which doesn't utilize
> > > classical spacetime paths.
> >
> > It depends on who you obey.
> >
> > >
> > > The reasoning strikes me as specious.  Anyhow, it's certainly
> > > grist for a relativity board -
> > >
> > > Similarly, if it entails an entangled pair, inside &
> > > outside the horizon, then pair correlations ought to
> > > persist, according to QM, again violating relativity.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rich
> >
> > It's not violation relativity...it's violating Albert Einstein.
> >
> > It's anti-semetic Science.
> >
> > They are both..just theories anyway.
> >
> > There is no information paradox. It's just a difference of opinion caused by...friction.
> >
> > The Starmaker
> 
> In other words,
> 
> einstein - nothing faster than the speed of light
> 
> Bohr - information travels faster than the speed of light
> 
> Pick a side, and kill the other side.


I mean, this has been going on since the 1930's....and you're still at it????


Maybe you guys got fooled with the word..."entangled". It's just another word for that 1930's term, ...quantum mechanics.


It's sooooooo 1930's...


Have you guys ever considered thinking for yourselves????

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the information paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 12:52 -0700
  Re: the information paradox Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 12:57 -0700
  Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 14:44 -0700
    Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 19:46 -0700
      Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 21:27 -0700
        Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 09:33 -0700
  Re: the information paradox "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:31 -0700

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