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| Message-ID | <5968F251.285F@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2017-07-14 09:33 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: the information paradox |
| References | <8c6667ed-fc9c-488d-b491-b09aa5e011df@googlegroups.com> <5966984F.2CC1@ix.netcom.com> <5966DF04.692B@ix.netcom.com> <5966F695.134F@ix.netcom.com> |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > RichD wrote: > > > > > > > > There's been a kerfuffle about information disappearing > > > > into black holes. The Information Conservationists claim > > > > victory, but it seems still moot. > > > > > > It doesn't disapear into black holes, it just goes in.. > > > you can be on the inside or other side of the black hole to watch it coming in. > > > > > > > > > > > In a recent seminar on the topic, the speaker claimed > > > > that if information leaks out via Hawking radiation, > > > > we encounter a conundrum: escaping a black hole, requires > > > > faster than light transport, violating etc. The premise > > > > here is that information is a 'thing', which must obey relativity. > > > > > > That is why Einstein hated Neil...it was Neil who began the agrgument that information travels faster than light. > > > > > > And Einstein believes the opposite. It's not that information must obey relativity...it's that > > > information must obey Albert Einstein. It's not Science, it's personal. > > > > > > > > > > > Does this argument stand up? SR is a classical theory, > > > > of stuff moving through space. Black hole evaporation > > > > is a purely quantum phenomenon, which doesn't utilize > > > > classical spacetime paths. > > > > > > It depends on who you obey. > > > > > > > > > > > The reasoning strikes me as specious. Anyhow, it's certainly > > > > grist for a relativity board - > > > > > > > > Similarly, if it entails an entangled pair, inside & > > > > outside the horizon, then pair correlations ought to > > > > persist, according to QM, again violating relativity. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rich > > > > > > It's not violation relativity...it's violating Albert Einstein. > > > > > > It's anti-semetic Science. > > > > > > They are both..just theories anyway. > > > > > > There is no information paradox. It's just a difference of opinion caused by...friction. > > > > > > The Starmaker > > > > In other words, > > > > einstein - nothing faster than the speed of light > > > > Bohr - information travels faster than the speed of light > > > > Pick a side, and kill the other side. > > I mean, this has been going on since the 1930's....and you're still at it???? > > Maybe you guys got fooled with the word..."entangled". It's just another word for that 1930's term, ...quantum mechanics. > > It's sooooooo 1930's... > > Have you guys ever considered thinking for yourselves???? I guess everybody doesn't understand 'quantum entangled' (quantum mechanics) except me. Maybe this quote also needs to be updated: [I can't accept entanglement because] "I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it. It sounds spooky" --Albert Einstein
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the information paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 12:52 -0700
Re: the information paradox Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 12:57 -0700
Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 14:44 -0700
Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 19:46 -0700
Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 21:27 -0700
Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 09:33 -0700
Re: the information paradox "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:31 -0700
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