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Re: the information paradox

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> RichD wrote:
> >
> > There's been a kerfuffle about information disappearing
> > into black holes.  The Information Conservationists claim
> > victory, but it seems still moot.
> 
> It doesn't disapear into black holes, it just goes in..
> you can be on the inside or other side of the black hole to watch it coming in.
> 
> >
> > In a recent seminar on the topic, the speaker claimed
> > that if information leaks out via Hawking radiation,
> > we encounter a conundrum: escaping a black hole, requires
> > faster than light transport, violating etc.  The premise
> > here is that information is a 'thing', which must obey relativity.
> 
> That is why Einstein hated Neil...it was Neil who began the agrgument that information travels faster than light.
> 
> And Einstein believes the opposite. It's not that information must obey relativity...it's that
> information must obey Albert Einstein. It's not Science, it's personal.
> 
> >
> > Does this argument stand up?  SR is a classical theory,
> > of stuff moving through space.  Black hole evaporation
> > is a purely quantum phenomenon, which doesn't utilize
> > classical spacetime paths.
> 
> It depends on who you obey.
> 
> >
> > The reasoning strikes me as specious.  Anyhow, it's certainly
> > grist for a relativity board -
> >
> > Similarly, if it entails an entangled pair, inside &
> > outside the horizon, then pair correlations ought to
> > persist, according to QM, again violating relativity.
> >
> > --
> > Rich
> 
> It's not violation relativity...it's violating Albert Einstein.
> 
> It's anti-semetic Science.
> 
> They are both..just theroies anyway.
> 
> There is no information paradox. It's just a difference of opinion caused by...friction.
> 
> The Starmaker



In other words, 

einstein - nothing faster than the speed of light

Bohr - information travels faster than the speed of light


Pick a side, and kill the other side.

Thread

the information paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 12:52 -0700
  Re: the information paradox Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 12:57 -0700
  Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 14:44 -0700
    Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 19:46 -0700
      Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 21:27 -0700
        Re: the information paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 09:33 -0700
  Re: the information paradox "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:31 -0700

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