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Re: Scientific method and its applications

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Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
> On 6/20/17 7:22 AM, JanPB wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+2, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> >> W dniu wtorek, 20 czerwca 2017 12:14:24 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> >>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:43:05 AM UTC+2, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>> W dniu wtorek, 20 czerwca 2017 00:38:36 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
> >>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>>>>> W dniu poniedziałek, 19 czerwca 2017 15:00:36 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
> >>>>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> A physicist applies the scientific methodto persuade
> >>>>>>>> (both others and  himself) that his moronic mumble
> >>>>>>>> is experimentally confirmed.
> >>>>>>>> The  method is very effective.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you think the scientific method is nonsense, and that all scientists are
> >>>>>>> corrupt, then why are you here?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To fight nonsense and fix the corruption.
> >>>>>> But not "all scientist", of course. It's
> >>>>>> just your bunch of idiots in need of your
> >>>>>> "scientific method". Other domains didn't
> >>>>>> join your anti-common-sense crusade and
> >>>>>> common sense is still confirming them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How do you propose to fix anything? By catcalling? Has that ever worked?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And these scientists who don't use the scientific method, who are they?
> >>>>> What do they do?
> >>>>
> >>>> How did Copernicus falsify geocentrism?
> >>>> How did Galileo falsify absolute movement?
> >>>> Do historians do much experiments?
> >>>>
> >>>> For centuries science worked: theoreticians
> >>>> made theories, and when common sense said
> >>>> "they are reliable" people relied on them.
> >>>
> >>> That works fine (up to a point(*))
> >>
> >> Yeah. Up to a point when scientists get insane
> >> and start to believe they are holy cows that
> >> have to be believed whatever they say.
> >> (not all of them, of course - only physicists).
> >
> > No, not that. This is a typical strawman argument. Reality is simply that
> > just like any other complicated subject (law, brain surgery, etc.) the
> > expectation is that in order to provide technical critiques that don't
> > immediately fall into the "not even wrong" category (like the one you
> > wrote above), a certain amount of knowledge of the subject is a prerequisite.
> >
> > The issue we have with your posts (besides their weird language) is that
> > you make absolutely MONUMENTAL claims with nothing to back them up except
> > a few lines of high-school-level generalities here and there. (Nothing
> > wrong with high schools, BTW.) Literally a few lines. And there is simply
> > no way that kind of MONUMENTAL claim could be proved by simple juggling
> > of certain first principles like "common sense" or "models theory" within
> > the space of an ASCII Internet forum paragraph.
> >
> > This sort of thing would be easily in the Nobel Prize range and, of course,
> > would have been done decades ago. People are not stupid.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> >
> 
> It's simpler than that. Like a few of the cranks here who try to talk
> physics without having read anything on the subject, Maciej Wozniak
> rejects the expectation of training to understanding. Like the others,
> the desire is that clear thinking and a little intelligence will reveal
> all that is important in ANY subject. This is the plea of the arrogant
> everyman who despises the status of expertise as an intolerable elitism.
> 
> And so he earnestly believes that physics (or ANY subject desired)
> should be accessible merely through application of common sense, and he
> MISTAKENLY believes that this is how great leaps in science have been
> done in the past. The opposite is in fact true -- the great leaps of
> science came from observations that completely confounded common sense,



That's a lie. The great leaps of
science came from observations that completely confounded..."established
truth".

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Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-18 22:59 -0700
  Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 13:00 +0000
    Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-19 06:32 -0700
      Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 22:38 +0000
        Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-19 18:37 -0700
        Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-19 23:43 -0700
          Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 03:14 -0700
            Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 03:51 -0700
              Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 11:09 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 04:40 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 14:40 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-20 07:33 -0700
              Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 05:22 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 05:30 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 08:23 -0500
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 06:35 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:39 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 06:45 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 14:40 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 09:14 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 10:27 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 17:32 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 11:35 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 05:03 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 05:32 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 11:28 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 23:33 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 11:12 -0500
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 09:45 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 05:07 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 05:07 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 15:32 -0500
                Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-22 15:38 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-22 15:40 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 23:34 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 16:56 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-21 10:20 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 10:36 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-21 22:03 -0400
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 23:12 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 10:24 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-21 11:12 -0500
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 10:18 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-20 07:38 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 10:22 -0700
          Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 11:09 +0000
            Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 04:39 -0700
              Re: Scientific method and its applications Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 14:15 +0000
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 08:50 -0700
                Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 09:11 -0700
              Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-20 07:50 -0700
    Re: Scientific method and its applications JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 03:00 -0700
      Re: Scientific method and its applications Eshiki Orakut <usa@iwikuh.ki> - 2017-06-20 13:03 +0000
        Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-20 07:41 -0700
  Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-19 15:01 -0700
  Re: Scientific method and its applications The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-06-24 12:04 -0700
    Re: Scientific method and its applications mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-25 23:44 -0700

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