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Re: FAITH

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Wally W. wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> 
> >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>,
> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>,
> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the
> >> >> >> >> >> basement?
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than
> >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction
> >> >> >> >> >you
> >> >> >> >> >try.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What evidence?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement
> >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The weakness of your position
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What "weakness"?
> >> >> >\
> >> >>
> >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon
> >> >> didn't run off with them.
> >> >
> >> >What is your obsession with raccoons?
> >>
> >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect?
> >>
> >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can
> >> take some new approach aren't you?
> >>
> >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to
> >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia.
> >>
> >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at
> >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question):
> >>
> >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote:
> >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>,
> >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the
> >> :>>> basement?
> >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than
> >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search?
> >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you
> >> :>>try.
> >> :>What evidence?
> >>
> >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a
> >> bullshit claim.
> >>
> >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible
> >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your
> >> "evidence" that the keys are still there?
> >
> >Finding them there.
> 
> Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning
> a raccoon.
> 
> Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow,
> and in chronological order for those without a time machine:
> 
> 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means
> you don't know where they are -- in the present).
> 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that
> you might find them there?
> 


Why would she would look in the basement if there is more light on the
roof?

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FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
  Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 04:37 -0700
  Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000
    Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
      Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700
        Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400
          Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700
            Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
              Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500
              Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:38 -0400
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:03 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 20:24 -0700
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:14 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-19 08:37 +0100
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
            Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
            Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
          Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
      Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
    Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 05:14 -0700
    Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
      Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
        Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
  Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
    Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
    Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
      Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
        Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
          Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
            Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
        Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:52 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:33 +0100
                Re: FAITH Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-06-23 11:22 -0600
                Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:19 +0000
                Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:24 +0000
    Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
        Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
        Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
        Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-22 00:32 -0700
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
            Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-22 03:03 -0700
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:44 -0700
              Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-23 11:24 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-23 22:54 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 09:07 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 11:14 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 12:51 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 13:38 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 16:45 -0600
                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 16:44 -0700
                Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 18:03 -0600
  Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
    Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
        Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
          Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
            Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
              Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:55 -0700
                Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:16 +0100
  Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400

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