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| Message-ID | <57659E45.4EEC@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: FAITH |
| References | (6 earlier) <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com> <hlwdjsd2-DACA6C.20581917062016@news.giganews.com> <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com> <hlwdjsd2-7BF913.06231918062016@news.giganews.com> <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com> |
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Wally W. wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction > >> >> >> >> >you > >> >> >> >> >try. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What evidence? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The weakness of your position > >> >> > > >> >> >What "weakness"? > >> >> >\ > >> >> > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > >> >> > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > >> >> > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > >> >> didn't run off with them. > >> > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? > >> > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > >> > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > >> take some new approach aren't you? > >> > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > >> > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > >> > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> :>>> basement? > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> :>>try. > >> :>What evidence? > >> > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > >> bullshit claim. > >> > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > > > >Finding them there. > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning > a raccoon. > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, > and in chronological order for those without a time machine: > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means > you don't know where they are -- in the present). > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that > you might find them there? > Why would she would look in the basement if there is more light on the roof?
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Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 04:37 -0700
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Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
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Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
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Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
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Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
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Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
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Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-17 05:14 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:52 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:33 +0100
Re: FAITH Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-06-23 11:22 -0600
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:19 +0000
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:24 +0000
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-22 00:32 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
Re: FAITH mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-22 03:03 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:44 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-23 11:24 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-23 22:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 09:07 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 11:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 12:51 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 13:38 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 16:45 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 16:44 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 18:03 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:55 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:16 +0100
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400
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