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Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation

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Fritz Lasinger wrote:

> photon:   v_P = c
> graviton: v_G = c

So far, so good.

> photon:   m_P > 0

No, in the standard model, m_γ = 0. [As you can also see in the PDG summary 
I referred you to, “γ”, not “P”, is the standard symbol for the photon.]

> graviton: m_G < 0         (|m_G| << |m_P|)
> 
> photon:   E_P = p_P * c = +h * f_P > 0
> graviton: E_G = p_G * c = -h * f_G < 0
> 
> photon:   m_P = p_P / c = +h * f_P / c^2 > 0
> graviton: m_G = p_G / c = -h * f_G / c^2 < 0

Crackpottery, applying the Planck equation to a particle with non-zero mass, 
and calculating with either the negative of the Planck constant or a 
negative frequency.  Instead, for particles with non-zero mass, because of

  E = √((m c²)² + (p c)²)

the relation

  E(p = 0) = E₀ = ℎ f = ℎ c∕λ = m c²

holds only for their *rest* energy E₀ [λ then is the Compton wavelength of 
the particle].

> Please tell me, why the graviton cannot move with the speed of light?

It can and it does in the extended standard model; but for that one has to 
reject your proposition of its negative, i.e. non-zero mass.  AISB, only 
particles with zero mass can move at the speed of light, c.

As I indicated, in addition to inconsistencies with confirmed past and 
current physical theories, your so far failed attempt at proposing a 
physical theory is also *internally* inconsistent:

Either the graviton has zero mass (m = 0), then it *must* move at c, impart 
momentum p(f) = ℎ f∕c, carry a force of infinite range, and contribute 
nothing to the total *mass* of the universe (only to its total *energy*).  
[That is what we observe, most recently in the LIGO Scientific 
Collaboration’s results of GW150914.]

Or it has non-zero mass (m ≠ 0), then it *cannot* move at c, but only at 
v < c in *all* frames of reference; it would impart momentum
p(m, v) = m v∕√(1 – (v∕c)²), carries a force of finite range due to its 
limited lifetime ∆t ≈ ℏ∕(2 m c²) [that is \hbar – ℏ = ℎ∕2π; _not_ ℎ], and 
contributes something to the total mass of the universe.  [We do not observe 
that.]

Different from what you proposed, it *can not* be both.


PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-23 23:13 +0200
  Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-24 10:57 +0200
    Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-24 18:07 +0200
      Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 05:11 +0200
        Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 09:42 +0200
  A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-24 09:48 -0700
    A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-24 09:53 -0700
      A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-24 09:59 -0700
      Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 11:07 -0700
        Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-26 20:52 +0200
          Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 12:15 -0700
            Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:49 -0700
              Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 16:07 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-27 00:37 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:33 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:55 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:11 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-27 08:35 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:48 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 10:07 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-27 13:09 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 07:27 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-28 08:11 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 13:37 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 15:27 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 17:01 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 22:08 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-29 08:18 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-29 08:38 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-29 08:50 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-29 09:10 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-29 09:30 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-30 09:03 -0700
          Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:37 -0700
          Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 16:00 -0700
          Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 10:45 +0200
            Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-03 10:57 -0700
              Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 20:13 +0200
            Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-03 11:07 -0700
              Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 20:14 +0200
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-03 11:47 -0700
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 21:46 +0200
                Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:32 -0700
  Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:12 -0700
    Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 21:15 -0700
      Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 21:32 -0700
    Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-29 19:42 +0200
      Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 05:50 +0200
        Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-30 17:01 +0200
          Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 18:13 +0200
            Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-30 18:44 +0200
              Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-01 04:12 +0200
      Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Fritz Lasinger <las8@web.de> - 2016-04-30 17:31 +0200
        Re: A new Momentum Theory for the Gravitation Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-30 18:37 +0200

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