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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: God doesn't believe in atheist |
| Followup-To | sci.physics.relativity |
| Date | 2017-04-30 20:56 +0200 |
| Organization | PointedEars Software (PES) |
| Message-ID | <2039010.ElGaqSPkdT@PointedEars.de> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <58FA80ED.5E77@ix.netcom.com> <58FBA10F.23E@ix.netcom.com> <58FD901F.608@ix.netcom.com> <5904CE00.1DD3@ix.netcom.com> <bjkbgclirmjrlh862r7iddi07gkln4udps@4ax.com> |
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SteveGG amok-crossposted across 5(!) newsgroups without Followup-To:
> Amazing that some fools still believe in god, creation and all the BS
> that goes with it !
Amazing that you still have not learned to post properly.
> If the univwrse had a begining, then what was a day before ?
JFTR: The idea that the (our) universe had a beginning is not limited to
religion and creationism at all.
There is a lot of observational *scientific* evidence that supports the Big
Bang theory that concludes, from the general theory of relativity applied to
our universe, that our universe *had* a beginning.
However, (real) science (cosmology) does not jump to the conclusion that
therefore our universe was created, which would require it to have (had) a
creator. For all we know, our universe could have begun from “nothing”,
i.e. quantum fluctuations in empty space could have produced our universe,
and in fact any other universe.
As a result, the concept of a “day before” the (our) universe began, or more
generally, a time before the Big Bang, is not well-defined. Time itself
began with (or, more precisely, shortly after) the Big Bang inasfar as
that, according to theory, causality breaks down before the Planck epoch.
As another result, there could be an infinite number of universes, our
universe just being one of them in what has been coined “the multiverse”.
(Hence my emphasis on “our”. Scientific understanding has moved beyond
the point where we literally mean “universe” as “the only one” as per the
original Latin.)
See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing> p.
> Also, absolutely ridiculous that there is god that oversees everything.
Full ACK.
> It takes hundreds of thousands of years for anything to transverse just
> one galaxy, including god's thoughts, so god would have to be a very slow
> thinker !
Your logic is flawed because a lifeform that we, at our current stage of
development, would accept as a deity, could have discovered laws of physics
that we have not discovered yet. Keep in mind:
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
–Clarke’s third law
which can been rephrased as
“Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is
indistinguishable from God.”
–Shermer's last law
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws>
However, the existence of such a lifeform grows the more unlikely the more
we develop our understanding of our universe.
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
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