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Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM])

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Subject	Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM])
Date	2026-07-20 08:31 +0200
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Hi,

Its actually quite amazing. Gemini, DeepSeek,
OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov. I have asked
the IntelliJ integrated Freeium AI to generate

some code for me, I guess their service uses
by default OpenAI (Codex), and had it reviewed
by Gemini and DeepSeek. These AIs started lecturing

me about lazySet() in Java. But I went with set():

     private static boolean enqueue(Queue q, Object data) {
         int pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
         for (; ; ) {
             int index = pos & q.bufferMask;
             int seq = q.sequences.get(index);
             int dif = seq - pos;
             if (dif == 0) {
                 if (q.enqueuePos.compareAndSet(pos, pos + 1)) {
                     q.data[index] = data;
                     q.sequences.set(index, pos + 1);
                     return true;
                 }
                 pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
             } else if (dif < 0) {
                 return false;
             } else {
                 pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
             }
         }
     }

The above version seems to be more suitable
for my purpose, since it allows polling, it
basically implements offer(). While the

version posted on in the lock free group
by Chris M. Thomasson implements a spin wait
blocking put() already.

But I didn't port it yet to JavaScript or WGSL.
Currently busy with realizing a Worker facade
in JavaScript for a CPU backend that will run

in both the browser and node.js.

Bye

Chris M. Thomasson schrieb:
> On 7/19/2026 2:04 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/19/2026 2:53 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner
>>> I spin on CAS loops for my dinner
>>> Some call it busy-wait, I call it fate
>>> When the queue is empty, I just rotate
>>>
>>> 2 Producer threads, 2 Consumer threads
>>> Each Producer generating 8192 items
>>> the single common channel between
>>> them 128 elements larger.
>>>
>>> public class DmitryVyukov
>>> 8 ms
>>> public class DougLea
>>> 10 ms
>>>
>>> On the Ryzen AI 7 350 which has 8 physical
>>> cores with hyperthreading, making it 16
>>> logical cores.
>>>
>>> LoL
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>> Producer-Consumer Queues by Dmitry Vyukov
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/1024cores/home/lock-free-algorithms/queues
>>>
>>> Steve Miller Band - The Joker (Official Music Video)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3AziKTBUo
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Ok I was looking at this learning challenge,
>>>> producing vector (y1,y2,y3,y4) from a vector
>>>> (x1,x2,x3,x4), System R can do it via least square?
>>>>
>>>> | 0 0 0 1 |   | x1 |     | x4 |
>>>> | 0 0 1 0 |   | x2 |  =  | x3 |
>>>> | 0 1 0 0 |   | x3 |     | x2 |
>>>> | 1 0 0 0 |   | x4 |     | x1 |
>>>>
>>>> How it started:
>>>>
>>>> "multiplicative RNNs arises naturally from a
>>>> proof-theoretic interpretation of next-token
>>>> prediction as nested intuitionistic implication"
>>>> Paul Tarau - 2026
>>>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.19915
>>>>
>>>> How its going:
>>>>
>>>> "Dave uses a PDP-11 to train a real Neural
>>>> Network complete with Transformers and
>>>> Attention so you can see them at their most basic."
>>>> Mr. Taskmanager - 2026
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g
>>>>
>>>> We see Doctor Frankstein in action from
>>>> the Bronze Age of Computing, producing
>>>> a Humunkulus, the progenitor of todays
>>>>
>>>> Bulgakov Shuriks in the Hyperscale Age!
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: My impression neither cut to the core, that
>>>> this incredible transformer most likely
>>>> produced this deterministic attention:
>>>>
>>>> | -1 | * | k | + | 5 | = | k' |
>>>>
>>>> Or differently expressed y_k = x_{5-k}.
>>>>
>>>> How did the transformer do it? It produced
>>>> a neural network with 1216 parameters, but
>>>> didn't use embeddings or polar encoding
>>>>
>>>> of positions. But if we strip the noise
>>>> and denoise from the position encoding,
>>>> the denoise is done via softmax. We somehow
>>>>
>>>> must get the above, right? I still need to
>>>> verify my claim! BTW: The PDP-11 assembly
>>>> from 1979 uses wider example not with n=4
>>>>
>>>> but with n=8.
>>>
>>
>> I am friends with Dmitry Vyukov from way back, 23+ years ago. 
>> Actually, I helped him find some bugs in Relacy when it was in 
>> pre-alpha way back on comp.programming.threads. Also, I created some 
>> neat eventcount algos, read all:
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/mratsim/04a29bdd98d6295acda4d0677c4d0041
>>
>> For starters... ;^)
> 
> 
> also, I made a neat alteration to one of Dmitry Vyukov MPMC queues, 
> check it out:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/lock-free/c/acjQ3-89abE/m/a6-Di0GZsyEJ
> 
> can you get to the link? Thanks. Read all.

Thread

I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:53 +0200
  Corr.: Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:55 +0200
  Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 14:04 -0700
    Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 14:07 -0700
      Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 08:31 +0200
        Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Romelio Balakhonsky <lrel@lao.ru> - 2026-07-20 10:07 +0000
          The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 13:51 +0200
            Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:09 +0200
              The large memory tax: ECC RAM (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:22 +0200
              Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU (Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:40 +0200
                Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:57 +0200
                Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. (Re: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:07 +0200
                Re: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Will Bakshandaev <bev@lwesi.ru> - 2026-07-21 14:33 +0000
                http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:41 +0200
                If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI] (Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:57 +0200
                What would an EMACs guru say [Windows Recall] (Was: If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 23:33 +0200
                Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Hants Baibikov <vi@bi.ru> - 2026-07-21 21:51 +0000
                Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Pascual Talbaev <ps@laalapa.ru> - 2026-07-21 22:02 +0000
            Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Jeiker Makulov <rmkru@eeeamu.ru> - 2026-07-20 16:18 +0000
              L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:33 +0200
                GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Re: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:42 +0200
                Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Re: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Zackee Mulatov <azauv@omtla.ru> - 2026-07-20 19:09 +0000
                Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Was: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:02 +0200
                Where is micro penis mental error? (Re: Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:07 +0200
                Re: Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Was: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM) Hermis Molochkov <me@olech.ru> - 2026-07-20 22:27 +0000
        Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 13:40 -0700
          I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 23:25 +0200
            Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 14:32 -0700
              Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 14:35 -0700
                There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Was: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:12 +0200
                OpenGL is dead. Apple said bye bye / Wayland Compositor (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:24 +0200
                Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Was: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 16:15 -0700
                Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:24 +0200
                imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:32 +0200
                capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system (Was: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:37 +0200
                Source of the benchmark for DmitryVyukov (Re: capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:45 +0200
                Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:00 -0700
                I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later (Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:49 +0200
                Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Was: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:59 +0200
                Why MIMD is interesting for pi-WAM? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:16 +0200
                Re: Why MIMD is interesting for pi-WAM? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:32 -0700
                Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Was: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:42 -0700
                You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis] (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:13 +0200
                Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions (Was: You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:17 +0200
                Need to be Einstein to understand Giga Lips (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:22 +0200
                Marketing invents Gucci Bag AI Laptops (Was: Need to be Einstein to understand Giga Lips) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:43 +0200
                Re: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions (Was: You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:59 -0700
                Rossy Boy says I am a crazy frothing lunatic (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:27 +0200
                Re: Rossy Boy says I am a crazy frothing lunatic (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 13:52 -0700

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