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  Vanishing Point . [Le Dot] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 00:52 +0200
    Lets compare AI data centers (Re: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 01:05 +0200
      USA domestic chips for the never ending crunch (Re: Lets compare AI data centers) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 01:19 +0200
        OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem] (Was: USA domestic chips for the never ending crunch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-10 15:57 +0100
          Re: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem] (Was: USA domestic chips for the never ending crunch) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 12:20 -0600
            Re: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem] (Was: USA domestic chips for the never ending crunch) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 12:08 -0800
          Re: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem] (Was: USA domestic chips for the never ending crunch) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 17:05 -0800
          The joy of running an AI Model on your AI Laptop [Local AI] (Was: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-11 21:09 +0100
          The joy of running an AI Model on your AI Laptop [Local AI] (Was: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-11 21:12 +0100
            Cute Racoon generated with Local AI (Was: The joy of running an AI Model on your AI Laptop [Local AI]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-11 23:26 +0100
          Meta is Dust: Yann LeCun crushed by Behemoth China (Was: OpenAI is Toast: Kimi K2 is Live [Halting Problem]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-13 19:03 +0100
            Even Prolog now depends on China (Was: Meta is Dust: Yann LeCun crushed by Behemoth China) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-13 19:13 +0100
              Re: Even Prolog now depends on China (Was: Meta is Dust: Yann LeCun crushed by Behemoth China) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 11:42 -0800
    Re: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot] Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-10-04 18:38 -0700
      Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0). (Was: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 10:09 +0200
        Holy Schrimp Jesus: The Internet is Dead [Rossy Boy dethroned?] (Was: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 10:29 +0200
          Re: Holy Schrimp Jesus: The Internet is Dead [Rossy Boy dethroned?] (Was: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 10:29 -0700
          Re: Holy Schrimp Jesus: The Internet is Dead [Rossy Boy dethroned?] (Was: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License) kinak <kin@mob.net.inv> - 2025-10-05 18:57 +0100
            Re: Holy Schrimp Jesus: The Internet is Dead [Rossy Boy dethroned?] (Was: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 11:06 -0700
      British writer Arthur C. Clarke (Re: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 19:33 +0200
        Aryabhatta of Bihar [Indian Mathematician-Astronomer] (Re: British writer Arthur C. Clarke) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-10-05 19:34 +0200
        Re: British writer Arthur C. Clarke (Re: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-10-05 11:06 -0700
    Knight Rider (2025/2026) will kill us all (Was: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-13 21:52 +0100
      The AGI Gambit: Hype vs. Reality (Re: Knight Rider (2025/2026) will kill us all) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-13 21:59 +0100
        Stable Diffusion with Control Net (Re: The AGI Gambit: Hype vs. Reality) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-11-13 23:04 +0100

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#640208 — Aryabhatta of Bihar [Indian Mathematician-Astronomer] (Re: British writer Arthur C. Clarke)

Hi,

So Indians have a large counting:

Astronomer and mathematician
Aryabhata, who was born in 476 CE,
finished his book Aryabhatiya in 499
CE, in which he wrote "When the
three yugas (satyug, tretayug and
dwaparyug) have elapsed and
60 x 60 (3,600) years of kaliyug
have already passed, I am now 23
years old." Based on this information,
Kali Yuga began in 3102 BCE, which is
calculated from 3600 - (476 + 23) + 1
(no year zero from 1 BCE to 1 CE).[24]

What was he talking about?

"Within the current Kalpa (aeon) are
1,000 cycles of a Chatur Yuga (epoch),
each with four yugas (ages). These ages
encompass a beginning of complete purity
to a descent into total decay, a
devolution of dharmic principles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_eschatology#The_Four_Yugas

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> I dunno. Was trying to find another story,
> of a scientiest who studies the mind, and
> then goes slowly crazy when he discovers
> 
> how the mind works. But what I posted
> is a **Plot Summmary** of a short story:
> 
>  > "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a
>  > 1953 science fiction short story by
>  > British writer Arthur C. Clarke.
>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God
> 
> Maybe he used some existing Asian lore,
> I don't know. Who is an expert in this matter?
> 
> WM schrieb:
>  > On 05.10.2025 00:52, Mild Shock wrote:
>  >>
>  >> In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
>  >> list all of the names of God. They believe
>  >> the Universe was created for this purpose,
>  >> and that once this naming is completed, God
>  >> will bring the Universe to an end. Three
>  >
>  > A very old story. I read it as a child.
>  >
>  > Regards, WM
>  >

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#640212 — Re: British writer Arthur C. Clarke (Re: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot])

On 10/05/2025 10:33 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>
> I dunno. Was trying to find another story,
> of a scientiest who studies the mind, and
> then goes slowly crazy when he discovers
>
> how the mind works. But what I posted
> is a **Plot Summmary** of a short story:
>
>  > "The Nine Billion Names of God" is a
>  > 1953 science fiction short story by
>  > British writer Arthur C. Clarke.
>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God
>
> Maybe he used some existing Asian lore,
> I don't know. Who is an expert in this matter?
>
> WM schrieb:
>  > On 05.10.2025 00:52, Mild Shock wrote:
>  >>
>  >> In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
>  >> list all of the names of God. They believe
>  >> the Universe was created for this purpose,
>  >> and that once this naming is completed, God
>  >> will bring the Universe to an end. Three
>  >
>  > A very old story. I read it as a child.
>  >
>  > Regards, WM
>  >

Pulitzer

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#640737 — Knight Rider (2025/2026) will kill us all (Was: Vanishing Point . [Le Dot])

Hi,

Now I have the feeling we are minutes away
from robotic AI. Wondering why all the AI Laptops
have now GPUs with ray tracing hardware.

Combining LRM (Large Reasoning Models) with a
3D-Worlds modality could do the job. One could
use genetic algorithms to produce synthetic

training data. This might challenge the
connotation behind the holy grail of AI,
called "Embodiment":

"Der Schweizer Informatiker und Robotik-Experte
Rolf Pfeifer nimmt in diesem Kontext den
Standpunkt ein, dass Intelligenz ausschließlich
verkörperten Agenten, d. h. realen physischen
Systemen, deren Verhalten in der Interaktion
mit der Umwelt beobachtbar ist, zugeschrieben
werden kann.",
- How the body shapes the way we think. A new
   view of intelligence, Pfeifer & Bongard, 2007

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> 
> 
> In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
> list all of the names of God. They believe
> the Universe was created for this purpose,
> and that once this naming is completed, God
> will bring the Universe to an end. Three
> 
> centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
> in which they calculated they could encode
> all the possible names of God, numbering
> about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
> each having no more than nine characters.
> 
> riting the names out by hand, as they had
> been doing, even after eliminating various
> nonsense combinations, would take another
> 15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
> technology to finish this task in 100 days.
> 
> They rent a computer capable of printing all
> the possible permutations, and hire two
> Westerners to install and program the machine.
> The computer operators are skeptical but
> play along. After three months, as the job
> 
> nears completion, they fear that the monks
> will blame the computer (and, by extension,
> its operators) when nothing happens. The
> Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
> scheduled departure without warning the monks,
> 
> so that it will complete its final print run
> shortly after they leave. On their way to the
> airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
> a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
> just about the time that the monks are pasting
> 
> the final printed names into their holy books.
> Then they notice that "overhead, without any
> fuss, the stars were going out."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

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#640738 — The AGI Gambit: Hype vs. Reality (Re: Knight Rider (2025/2026) will kill us all)

Hi,

There are quite some signs of LWM (Large World
Model) AI on the horizon. Like for example:

Controllable World Models are HERE
Explore a playable world model, Marble, from World Labs,
now available for free. This multimodal AI generates 3D
environments from various inputs, including text and images.
Users can navigate, edit, and export these worlds
in multiple formats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QbM6_BSdS0

Grok 5 by Elon Musk — AGI Is Closer Than You Think
Musk's claim that Grok 5 has a "10% and rising" chance
of achieving AGI demands scrutiny. He's gone further,
stating "Grok 5 will be AGI or something indistinguishable
from AGI"—a prediction that would make it the first
system to achieve human-level general intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afsl4qUsfdw

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Now I have the feeling we are minutes away
> from robotic AI. Wondering why all the AI Laptops
> have now GPUs with ray tracing hardware.
> 
> Combining LRM (Large Reasoning Models) with a
> 3D-Worlds modality could do the job. One could
> use genetic algorithms to produce synthetic
> 
> training data. This might challenge the
> connotation behind the holy grail of AI,
> called "Embodiment":
> 
> "Der Schweizer Informatiker und Robotik-Experte
> Rolf Pfeifer nimmt in diesem Kontext den
> Standpunkt ein, dass Intelligenz ausschließlich
> verkörperten Agenten, d. h. realen physischen
> Systemen, deren Verhalten in der Interaktion
> mit der Umwelt beobachtbar ist, zugeschrieben
> werden kann.",
> - How the body shapes the way we think. A new
>    view of intelligence, Pfeifer & Bongard, 2007
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>
>>
>> In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
>> list all of the names of God. They believe
>> the Universe was created for this purpose,
>> and that once this naming is completed, God
>> will bring the Universe to an end. Three
>>
>> centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
>> in which they calculated they could encode
>> all the possible names of God, numbering
>> about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
>> each having no more than nine characters.
>>
>> riting the names out by hand, as they had
>> been doing, even after eliminating various
>> nonsense combinations, would take another
>> 15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
>> technology to finish this task in 100 days.
>>
>> They rent a computer capable of printing all
>> the possible permutations, and hire two
>> Westerners to install and program the machine.
>> The computer operators are skeptical but
>> play along. After three months, as the job
>>
>> nears completion, they fear that the monks
>> will blame the computer (and, by extension,
>> its operators) when nothing happens. The
>> Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
>> scheduled departure without warning the monks,
>>
>> so that it will complete its final print run
>> shortly after they leave. On their way to the
>> airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
>> a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
>> just about the time that the monks are pasting
>>
>> the final printed names into their holy books.
>> Then they notice that "overhead, without any
>> fuss, the stars were going out."
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God
> 

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#640740 — Stable Diffusion with Control Net (Re: The AGI Gambit: Hype vs. Reality)

Hi,

So the "Amuse" App on my AI Laptops is full of Stable
Diffusion with Control Net. Robots may use Stable
Diffusion with Control Net. Like in this GitHub project:

Adding Conditional Control to Text-to-Image Diffusion Models
https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet

The idea is already being used to control robots in new
research. Like Diffusion Policies (Stanford, 2023–2024),
Robots use a diffusion model to generate action

trajectories instead of images. Trajectory Diffusion, QDiffusion,
SE(3) Diffusion, UniDexGrasp, GenAug, etc... The field is exploding.
many labs have shown diffusion models beating RL in:

- grasping
- manipulation
- locomotion
- navigation

Have Fun!

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> There are quite some signs of LWM (Large World
> Model) AI on the horizon. Like for example:
> 
> Controllable World Models are HERE
> Explore a playable world model, Marble, from World Labs,
> now available for free. This multimodal AI generates 3D
> environments from various inputs, including text and images.
> Users can navigate, edit, and export these worlds
> in multiple formats.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QbM6_BSdS0
> 
> Grok 5 by Elon Musk — AGI Is Closer Than You Think
> Musk's claim that Grok 5 has a "10% and rising" chance
> of achieving AGI demands scrutiny. He's gone further,
> stating "Grok 5 will be AGI or something indistinguishable
> from AGI"—a prediction that would make it the first
> system to achieve human-level general intelligence.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afsl4qUsfdw
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now I have the feeling we are minutes away
>> from robotic AI. Wondering why all the AI Laptops
>> have now GPUs with ray tracing hardware.
>>
>> Combining LRM (Large Reasoning Models) with a
>> 3D-Worlds modality could do the job. One could
>> use genetic algorithms to produce synthetic
>>
>> training data. This might challenge the
>> connotation behind the holy grail of AI,
>> called "Embodiment":
>>
>> "Der Schweizer Informatiker und Robotik-Experte
>> Rolf Pfeifer nimmt in diesem Kontext den
>> Standpunkt ein, dass Intelligenz ausschließlich
>> verkörperten Agenten, d. h. realen physischen
>> Systemen, deren Verhalten in der Interaktion
>> mit der Umwelt beobachtbar ist, zugeschrieben
>> werden kann.",
>> - How the body shapes the way we think. A new
>>    view of intelligence, Pfeifer & Bongard, 2007
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>> In a Tibetan lamasery, the monks seek to
>>> list all of the names of God. They believe
>>> the Universe was created for this purpose,
>>> and that once this naming is completed, God
>>> will bring the Universe to an end. Three
>>>
>>> centuries ago, the monks created an alphabet
>>> in which they calculated they could encode
>>> all the possible names of God, numbering
>>> about 9,000,000,000 ("nine billion") and
>>> each having no more than nine characters.
>>>
>>> riting the names out by hand, as they had
>>> been doing, even after eliminating various
>>> nonsense combinations, would take another
>>> 15,000 years; the monks wish to use modern
>>> technology to finish this task in 100 days.
>>>
>>> They rent a computer capable of printing all
>>> the possible permutations, and hire two
>>> Westerners to install and program the machine.
>>> The computer operators are skeptical but
>>> play along. After three months, as the job
>>>
>>> nears completion, they fear that the monks
>>> will blame the computer (and, by extension,
>>> its operators) when nothing happens. The
>>> Westerners leave slightly earlier than their
>>> scheduled departure without warning the monks,
>>>
>>> so that it will complete its final print run
>>> shortly after they leave. On their way to the
>>> airfield they pause on the mountain path. Under
>>> a clear night sky they es timate that it must be
>>> just about the time that the monks are pasting
>>>
>>> the final printed names into their holy books.
>>> Then they notice that "overhead, without any
>>> fuss, the stars were going out."
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God
>>
> 

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