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Re: MatheRealism in geometry

From "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: MatheRealism in geometry
Date 2018-03-12 13:56 -0700
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On 3/12/2018 10:07 AM, bursejan@gmail.com wrote:
> There is some problem with native (lets say C or Java)
> recursion. Its bound by the native stack size, which
> is usually a size per thread.
> 
> And for non-linear recursion, where tail recursion
> doesn't have some stack reducing impact, this is
> really a problem.

Yeah. I remember a while ago when taking a look at some code created by 
another person. I raised a question about how deep it can recurse. 
Well.... It was fine in the test beds. Then, it blew up a threads stack 
because a users input made it recuse too deep. A thread hit a stack 
overflow and crashed the damn process. Yikes!


> 
> If you have deep recursion, you can easilly kill
> the stack of your current thread. Like in a web
> server, where there are many threads,
> 
> and you cannot give them all large stack space.
> 
> One way that this is mittigated, is that some
> languages have their own stack management. Or
> that for some applications, a proprietary
> 
> stack management is explicitly implemented.
> (Trampolin Pattern, or so). So somehow John
> Gabriel is correct, but he is also wrong.
> 
> He is also wrong, since even with these
> measures in place, the native stack space is
> just traded to some other space,
> 
> like the heap. So that in general its just
> limitation of the machine. Irrespectie what
> model is used. Stack language, or not you
> 
> anyway run into limitations. To shed more
> light on these limitations, we would need to
> dig deeper into recursion theory and
> 
> complexity theory...
>   
> Am Montag, 12. März 2018 17:54:34 UTC+1 schrieb Python:
>> John Gabriel wrote:
>> ...
>>> Recursion is very problematic. No sound application uses recursion.
>>> No matter what you do to make it better, it can always fail for a
>>> multitude of reasons.
>>
>> This claim from John Gabriel, allegedly software engineer, is
>> outrageously wrong.
>>
>> - There are, amongst functional languages, a whole class of
>>     programming languages where no loop statements exists
>>     (e.g. Haskell) or are considered as a bad practice (Scheme).
>>     These languages are used to build industrial grade
>>     application (as their correctness can be proven). Most
>>     (if not all) of this language are implementing tail
>>     recursion (something John Gabriel has clearly never
>>     heard of) in order to make a whole category of
>>     recursive calls as efficient as a loop in an imperative
>>     language (i.e. no stack consumption)
>>
>> - A lot of non-functional languages has interpreters or
>>     compilers implementing tail recursion (C with gcc for
>>     instance)
>>
>> - Any software who has to deal with a arbitrarily deep
>>     nested structure (say a hierarchical filesystem or
>>     an XML tree like for HTML parsing) will be written
>>     far more easily using explicit recursion. Using a
>>     loop there implies to basically manage a stack
>>     like structure to keep track of the elements having
>>     been parsed at a given time (i.e. SAX style XML
>>     event driven parsing)
>>
>> It makes absolutely no doubt that Mr Gabriel is as bad
>> as a programmer as he is as a mathematician: worse than
>> you'd ever think.
>

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MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-03 00:28 -0800
  Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 07:04 -0800
    Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 01:22 -0800
      Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 04:26 -0800
        Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 08:25 -0800
          Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 08:33 -0800
            Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 08:39 -0800
              Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 09:18 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 10:49 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:15 -0800
  Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 04:48 -0800
  Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 04:51 -0800
    Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 08:44 -0800
      Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 09:22 -0800
        Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 11:10 -0800
          Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:22 -0800
            Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 13:24 -0800
              Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 13:34 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-04 23:06 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 09:05 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-05 10:07 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 10:26 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 10:35 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 04:20 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-06 06:12 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 06:16 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 06:24 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 06:27 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-06 17:14 +0100
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-06 18:26 +0100
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:53 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 10:31 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 10:53 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 21:19 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 11:02 +0100
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 02:37 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 23:49 +0100
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:24 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 02:05 +0100
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 19:02 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 11:07 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 11:15 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:06 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-07 04:18 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 15:40 +0100
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-07 23:40 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 05:50 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 06:08 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-08 07:40 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 09:15 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 09:22 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-08 11:34 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 11:41 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 20:41 +0100
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:55 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-08 13:25 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-03-08 13:31 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 14:37 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 14:42 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:35 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 14:46 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:34 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 15:54 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 15:57 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 16:03 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 16:31 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 16:37 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:19 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 17:41 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 00:00 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-10 14:32 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 15:40 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 15:41 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-10 15:53 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:02 -0700
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-12 13:56 -0700
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-12 14:54 -0700
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-12 15:13 -0700
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 15:21 -0700
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-12 15:41 -0700
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry John Gabriel <thenewcalculus@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 07:47 -0700
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 19:45 -0800
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                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 17:06 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 22:17 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 22:24 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 23:27 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 23:35 -0800
                Re: MatheRealism in geometry "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 23:43 -0800
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