Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	sci.math
Subject	Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory
Date	2023-06-20 01:26 +0100
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WM <askasker48@gmail.com> writes:
(AKA Dr. Wolfgang Mückenheim or Mueckenheim who teaches "Geschichte des 
Unendlichen" at Hochschule Augsburg.) 

> Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2023 um 03:13:33 UTC+2:
>> WM <askas...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> (AKA Dr. Wolfgang Mückenheim or Mueckenheim who teaches "Geschichte des 
>> Unendlichen" at Technische Hochschule Augsburg.)

You are again dishonestly editing quotes without noting the fact.  Did
you not get any training in research ethics?  By all means correct
things that are wrong, but don't misrepresent what people write.

>> > Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Freitag, 16. Juni 2023 um 02:28:51 UTC+2: 
>> >> WM <askas...@gmail.com> writes: 
>> >> > Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2023 um 16:45:12 UTC+2: 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Correction: 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> I.e. that there are "more" functions from N to {0,1} than there are 
>> >> >> natural numbers. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Of course. But there are more different terms of the sequences than 
>> >> > sequences. 
>> >> There are only two different terms: 0 and 1. 
>> > 
>> > No, there are many.
>> No. You were talking, it seems, about what I wrote.
>
> No, I ws talking about true mathematics. There every node of the
> Binary Tree is defined by a triple of numbers. The number of these
> nodes surpasses the number of paths.

Then you should have made it clear you where not talking about the
remark you quoted.  In fact you should not quote it if you are not going
to address it.

You know perfectly well that (infinite) sequences are functions of N.
It's even in your textbook so I know you know.  I must interpret your
"there are more different terms of the sequences than sequences" as
referring to the sequences I wrote about, since you commented directly on
those sequences, not the ones you had in your head.

The functions from N to {0,1} are sequences of 0s and 1s, and they all
have only two different terms.

>> If you don't understand what I wrote, ask for an explanation or don't reply.
>
> I reply only because you don't understad what you wrote.
>
>> The 
>> functions from N to {0,1} are sequences with only two different terms. 
>
> Nonsense. The function 0, 0, 0, ... for instance, has infinitely many
> terms.

You must be being deliberately obtuse.  There are infinitely many terms,
but only two different terms.

You hate talking about paths as functions from N to {0,1} because your
waffle about paths being "distinguished by nodes" is made to look a
foolish as it really is.  Infinitely many such functions (i.e. paths) can
be distinguished despite there being only two different terms.

-- 
Ben.

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  Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Guckie <alberstein@freenet.de> - 2023-06-14 16:36 +0300
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 07:45 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 08:20 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 16:30 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 11:45 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 22:13 +0100
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 18:07 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 06:24 -0700
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          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 22:19 +0100
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Socratis T.n.p." <andreasorrentino128@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 04:44 -0700
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    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 06:13 -0700
  Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 15:45 +0100
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 10:08 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-16 01:44 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:03 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:29 -0700
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            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 06:26 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:18 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 05:57 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 07:01 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:13 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 10:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 10:58 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 09:40 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 05:05 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:15 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:22 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:38 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:40 -0700
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                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:27 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:44 -0700
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                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-20 00:08 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 08:49 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-23 02:35 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:09 -0700
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                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-26 01:13 +0100
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