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Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory
Date 2023-06-26 03:04 +0100
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Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 2:14:01 AM UTC+2, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> WM <askas...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> > Most fractions remain without index. 
>> >
>> ∀i,j,n,m k(n,m) = k(i,j) -> i=n and j=m 
>> ∀i ∃n,m such that k(n,m) = i 
>> 
>> are both trivially provable.
>
> Yes, but that does not refute his claim. His idiotc claim is:
>
> Ei,j such that k(i,j) !e IN

That's the translation of the claim into symbols, but I don't think
that's what he means.  He knows that k: NxN -> N as I am pretty sure
that's been stated more than once, but he claims there are elements in N
about which proofs are impossible.  He will claim (I think) that Ei,j
such that k(i,j) !e IN can't be proved either (otherwise we could ask
for such a proof).

> Yes, this is braindead, since k is **defined** as a function with
> domain IN x IN and image IN.

I don't think he will be prepared to deny this, but let's see.  Maybe he
will!

-- 
Ben.

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The mathematical constraints of set theory Peter Peters <pp1585024@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 03:35 -0700
  Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Guckie <alberstein@freenet.de> - 2023-06-14 16:36 +0300
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 07:45 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 08:20 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 16:30 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 11:45 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 22:13 +0100
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 18:07 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 06:24 -0700
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 05:50 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-15 17:36 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 13:51 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 22:19 +0100
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Socratis T.n.p." <andreasorrentino128@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 04:44 -0700
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Socratis T.n.p." <andreasorrentino128@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:39 -0700
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Socratis T.n.p." <andreasorrentino128@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:00 -0700
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 06:13 -0700
  Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-14 15:45 +0100
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 10:08 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-16 01:44 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:03 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 08:29 -0700
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 09:03 -0700
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-06-16 13:30 -0400
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 12:08 -0700
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 06:26 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:18 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 05:57 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 07:01 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:13 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 10:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 10:58 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 09:40 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 05:05 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:15 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:22 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:38 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:40 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 08:24 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 09:11 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:27 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:44 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 12:07 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 12:12 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 06:43 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theoryn Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 06:53 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-19 16:47 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2023-06-19 20:11 +0200
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-20 00:08 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 08:49 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-23 02:35 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:19 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-26 01:13 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 18:35 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-26 03:04 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 19:52 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 19:54 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-26 15:42 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 08:39 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-28 02:43 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 04:32 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-28 15:16 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 07:48 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-28 16:43 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:49 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-29 09:59 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 13:04 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-30 18:09 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 15:18 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 15:25 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-06-30 18:53 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 16:42 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 10:19 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-01 14:06 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 07:52 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 09:48 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 10:39 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 13:45 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 14:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-02 14:08 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 07:01 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-03 13:09 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-04 08:33 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-04 18:43 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-05 02:50 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-05 10:39 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-05 08:45 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-07-05 13:14 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-07-06 06:27 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 06:41 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 07:58 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 02:40 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2023-07-01 20:23 +0200
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 11:44 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 07:43 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 08:42 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 06:52 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 11:56 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:34 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 20:21 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:46 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 08:11 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 08:20 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 06:18 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:12 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 08:45 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 10:38 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 14:39 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:04 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-19 09:34 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 08:44 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-20 13:31 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 14:37 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:03 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:05 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 06:53 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 06:50 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 07:37 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 06:13 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-20 20:34 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 06:59 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-21 11:58 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 06:19 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-22 12:30 -0400
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 10:38 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 20:18 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:06 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:17 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:24 -0700
    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 06:16 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 09:50 -0700
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 14:00 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-16 01:28 +0100
        Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 07:50 -0700
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-18 02:13 +0100
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:19 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-20 01:26 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 07:09 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-20 15:38 +0100
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 12:32 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 14:05 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 04:43 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 14:33 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-06-23 02:56 +0100
          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 18:34 -0700
  Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 16:50 -0700
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    Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 07:45 -0700
      Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-16 14:58 -0400
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          Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 08:09 -0700
            Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 02:42 -0700
              Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 04:14 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory WM <askasker48@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 07:27 -0700
                Re: The mathematical constraints of set theory Gus Gassmann <horand.gassmann@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 07:57 -0700
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