He uses "FIFO objects", and DMA and Noc [Glimps into Ryzen AI 7 350] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens])

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Subject	He uses "FIFO objects", and DMA and Noc [Glimps into Ryzen AI 7 350] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens])
Date	2026-08-01 12:00 +0200
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Hi,

He uses FIFO, and DMA and Noc:

Getting peak TOPS on a Ryzen AI 7 350 NPU
https://destevez.net/2026/05/getting-peak-tops-on-a-ryzen-ai-7-350-npu/

But lets say whether its FIFO or FILO
isn't so importand his used cases are,
what is now found in my library(furryhaze)

for GPU, namely the very basic:

/**
  * test_gpu_comp_start(W, K): internal only
  * The predicate succeeds. As a side effect it
  * starts the π-WAM W with K warps.
  */
function test_gpu_comp_start(args)

/**
  * test_gpu_comp_join(W, P): internal only
  * The predicate succeeds in P with a new promise
  * that waits for the π-WAM W to finish.
  */
function test_gpu_comp_join(args)

A GPU interface, via the command processor
for example of WebGPU, does the above
synchronization for you.

In the NPU example he does everything
low level, with Python IRON an stuff:

"Since the main way to achieve synchronization
within the IRON framework is by doing data
movement with object FIFOs, I’m sending a
dummy uint32 value as some sort of
synchronization token.

Waiting for all the kernels to finish is
trickier. The object FIFOs support a join
pattern in which an object FIFO consumes an
object from each of multiple object FIFOs,
concatenates these objects and produces the
concatenated object as a result.

Etc.."

Getting peak TOPS on a Ryzen AI 7 350 NPU
https://destevez.net/2026/05/getting-peak-tops-on-a-ryzen-ai-7-350-npu/

So Daniel Estévez Scientific & Technical
Amateur Radio, gives a nice glimpse into an
NPU, I have not yet publicitly released

my library(furryhaze), since its still in
testing. Maybe take another week or so,
still I have ironed out all corners,

for example the new gpu_comp_start and
gpu_comp_join works fine on may desktop
AI laptops, but I have still a bug on

my iPad AI tablet, on the Redmi AI phone,
also chokes on a test case.

Bye

Chris M. Thomasson schrieb:
> On 8/1/2026 2:02 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/24/2026 5:43 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>> Then not to waste GPU compute time, by logical
>>> threads doing nothing.
>>
>> Well, then never get to a full/empty condition. It depends on what you 
>> are trying to do. If a GPU thread, warp needs to wait on something, 
>> then you are not designing things right to begin with?
> 
> Are you sure you even need FIFO? There is a really fast LIFO stack that 
> is also atomic. Now, for the GPU you should never have to spinwait, or 
> wait on anything. You need to be able to always have work to do. There 
> are certian patterns that work well. Its not like on the CPU where we 
> can wait in the kernel on conditions, ala futex or something.

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I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:53 +0200
  Corr.: Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:55 +0200
  Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 14:04 -0700
    Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Was: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 14:07 -0700
      Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 08:31 +0200
        Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Romelio Balakhonsky <lrel@lao.ru> - 2026-07-20 10:07 +0000
          The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 13:51 +0200
            Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:09 +0200
              The large memory tax: ECC RAM (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:22 +0200
              Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU (Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:40 +0200
                Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:57 +0200
                Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. (Re: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:07 +0200
                Re: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Re: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Will Bakshandaev <bev@lwesi.ru> - 2026-07-21 14:33 +0000
                http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:41 +0200
                If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI] (Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:57 +0200
                What would an EMACs guru say [Windows Recall] (Was: If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 23:33 +0200
                Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Hants Baibikov <vi@bi.ru> - 2026-07-21 21:51 +0000
                Re: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint [Teaching Micro Penis Vilage Idiot] (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Pascual Talbaev <ps@laalapa.ru> - 2026-07-21 22:02 +0000
                Decide what you critique tiny winy penis (Was: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 08:13 +0200
                How confused is tiny winy penis? (Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 08:29 +0200
                Maybe change your hobby, become a dog owner? (Re: How confused is tiny winy penis?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 09:38 +0200
                Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis (Was: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Audie Balaban <aie@ndabl.ru> - 2026-07-22 08:02 +0000
                Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis] (Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis (Was: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:17 +0200
                Re: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis] (Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis (Was: http://localhost:567921/ is a private REST endpoint) Roque Bahtinov <aoqhi@hrot.ru> - 2026-07-22 12:04 +0000
                My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? (Was: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:12 +0200
                Same nickname and email, could post faster [5 year old moron] (Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:24 +0200
                Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? (Was: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Randolf Mukanov <mfroa@unvfo.ru> - 2026-07-22 12:27 +0000
                I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch (Was: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:31 +0200
                Re: I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch (Was: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts?) Keiv Babenchikov <hi@babebek.ru> - 2026-07-22 12:35 +0000
                Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts! (Was: I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:46 +0200
                Ask a Ukrainian Neighbour to do Detective [CCCP Troll] (Was: Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts!) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:51 +0200
                Re: Ask a Ukrainian Neighbour to do Detective [CCCP Troll] (Was: Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts!) Hudson Patrianakos <nrin@odrtta.gr> - 2026-07-22 16:10 +0000
            Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Jeiker Makulov <rmkru@eeeamu.ru> - 2026-07-20 16:18 +0000
              L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:33 +0200
                GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Re: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:42 +0200
                Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Re: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Zackee Mulatov <azauv@omtla.ru> - 2026-07-20 19:09 +0000
                Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Was: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:02 +0200
                Where is micro penis mental error? (Re: Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:07 +0200
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        Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Was: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 13:40 -0700
          I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 23:25 +0200
            Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 14:32 -0700
              Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Was: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 14:35 -0700
                There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Was: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:12 +0200
                OpenGL is dead. Apple said bye bye / Wayland Compositor (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:24 +0200
                Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Was: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 16:15 -0700
                Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:24 +0200
                imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:32 +0200
                capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system (Was: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:37 +0200
                Source of the benchmark for DmitryVyukov (Re: capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:45 +0200
                Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:00 -0700
                I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later (Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:49 +0200
                Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Was: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:59 +0200
                Why MIMD is interesting for pi-WAM? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:16 +0200
                Re: Why MIMD is interesting for pi-WAM? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:32 -0700
                Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Was: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:42 -0700
                You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis] (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:13 +0200
                Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions (Was: You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:17 +0200
                Need to be Einstein to understand Giga Lips (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:22 +0200
                Marketing invents Gucci Bag AI Laptops (Was: Need to be Einstein to understand Giga Lips) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 10:43 +0200
                Re: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions (Was: You still don't understand "budget" [Rossy Boy slower than Micro Penis]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:59 -0700
                Rossy Boy says I am a crazy frothing lunatic (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:27 +0200
                Re: Rossy Boy says I am a crazy frothing lunatic (Was: Go on Rossy Boy, ask more stupid questions) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 13:52 -0700
                Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:10 +0200
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-22 16:23 -0600
                regreting not using a contraceptive (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:51 +0200
                Re: regreting not using a contraceptive (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-22 17:13 -0600
                Re: regreting not using a contraceptive (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 18:23 -0700
                Re: regreting not using a contraceptive (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Clerence Bakhvalov <eael@eheav.ru> - 2026-07-23 13:06 +0000
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Kayce Pakhmutov <vop@ktevkh.ru> - 2026-07-23 13:01 +0000
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:19 -0700
                Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Re Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:43 +0200
                What does pi in pi-WAM mean? (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:52 +0200
                OR-parallelism or AND-parallelism? [MapReduce] (Re: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 15:02 +0200
                Re: What does pi in pi-WAM mean? (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 11:01 -0700
                It is all on GitHub , for the 100-th time! (Was: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:10 +0200
                Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Re Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 15:54 -0700
                And, where did I talk about rockets? [Hint its about xAI's Grok] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-25 01:23 +0200
                Re: And, where did I talk about rockets? [Hint its about xAI's Grok] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 21:20 -0700
                Re: And, where did I talk about rockets? [Hint its about xAI's Grok] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 21:23 -0700
                Why forget something, that was never on my mind (Was: And, where did I talk about rockets?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-25 09:47 +0200
                Example Mandel Brot rendering [Faster with MIMD] (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-25 09:57 +0200
                Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Re Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 02:02 -0700
                Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Re Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 02:05 -0700
                He uses "FIFO objects", and DMA and Noc [Glimps into Ryzen AI 7 350] (Was: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-01 12:00 +0200
                NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance (Was: He uses "FIFO objects", and DMA and Noc) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
                Re: NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance (Was: He uses "FIFO objects", and DMA and Noc) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 14:50 -0700
                I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL (Was: NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 00:43 +0200
                Re: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL (Was: NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 16:02 -0700
                Re: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL (Was: NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-08-01 17:04 -0600
                Re: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL (Was: NACK retransmission might double Manhattan Distance) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 14:45 -0700
                YOU ARE AN IDIOT (Was: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:56 +0200
                YOU ARE AN IDIOT (Re: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:57 +0200
                Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense (Was: I am using WebGPU, and not WebGL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:36 +0200
                Prolog inferencing and not canvasing fancy stuff (Was: Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:38 +0200
                Re: Prolog inferencing and not canvasing fancy stuff (Was: Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:34 -0700
                Re: Prolog inferencing and not canvasing fancy stuff (Was: Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:41 -0700
                It’s called . . . . enshittification (About the price tag for using a multifile/1) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-14 00:45 +0200

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