Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference?

From	olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math
Subject	Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference?
Date	2026-07-13 12:55 -0500
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On 7/13/2026 12:49 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
> On 2026-07-13 11:00, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/13/2026 11:47 AM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>> On 2026-07-13 09:34, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2026 9:49 AM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-07-12 19:18, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 8:00 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 8:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 7:32 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2026-07-12 17:33, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 5:31 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're posting to sci.math and comp.theory so it is only 
>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable for people to conclude that when you say proof you 
>>>>>>>>>>> mean formal proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am using stipulated definitions because it is
>>>>>>>>>> very important that the least educated totally
>>>>>>>>>> understand me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When on a particular forum you should stick with the 
>>>>>>>>> definitions used there. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This would generally be the case except 
>>>>>>> On 7/12/2026 12:10 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>  > ALL disagreement with Stipulative definitions is ALWAYS 
>>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The terms of my art must be defined from scratch.
>>>>>> The terms of the art of other fields totally fucks
>>>>>> this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> semantic (adjective)
>>>>>> of or relating to meaning in language
>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> entail (verb)
>>>>>> to cause or involve by necessity or as a consequence.
>>>>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/entail
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [semantically entail] is the above semantic + entail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "meaning in language" that "causes a necessary consequence"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> proof (noun)
>>>>>> evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true
>>>>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/proof
>>>>>
>>>>> Those definitions are far to vague to constitute terms of the art. 
>>>>
>>>> You have to start somewhere dip shit.
>>>
>>> But there are already perfectly serviceable definitions in use which 
>>> are far more precise.
>>  >  What possible benefit can be achieved by replacing
>>
>> They have extraneous baggage that I must exclude.
> 
> But if you take precise definitions and make them more vague,

truth expressed in language can be in any formal or
natural language thus must be generic across these.

semantic (adjective)
of or relating to meaning in language
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semantic

entail (verb)
to cause or involve by necessity or as a consequence.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/entail

[semantically entail] is the above semantic + entail.
"meaning in language" that "causes a necessary consequence"

> you are 
> not excluding anything. You are simply adding *additional* meanings to 
> the ones already present. So anything you might consider 'baggage' is 
> still there in your 'new' definitions. As I said, you're moving 
> backwards, not forwards.
> 

You put all of your effort into disagreeing and
none into comprehending.

> André
> 
> 


-- 
Copyright 2026 Olcott

My 28 year goal has been to make
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
reliably computable for the entire body of general knowledge.
The complete structure of this system is now defined.

The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
(a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

(b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).

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Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 09:15 -0500
  Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 14:30 +0000
    Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:13 -0500
      Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-12 16:48 +0000
        Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:56 -0500
          Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 10:38 +0300
            Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:28 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 12:19 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:25 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 11:01 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:24 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 13:32 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:34 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-15 18:10 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 12:48 +0100
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:18 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:13 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:28 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:05 +0300
    Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:31 -0500
      Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:22 +0000
        Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:37 -0500
          Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:17 +0000
            Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:48 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 21:09 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:01 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:07 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 17:29 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:38 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 19:03 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 21:12 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:03 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 20:18 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:42 +0300
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                Re: Theatheory (not Re: Olcott's system (not Hobbes)) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 15:28 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 23:43 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 16:03 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 18:05 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 11:51 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:35 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:41 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:34 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 12:34 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-17 20:10 +0100
          Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:19 +0300
            Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:45 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 10:43 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:35 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:45 +0300
      Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:30 +0300
    Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:26 -0500
      Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:06 +0300
        Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:47 -0500
          Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 10:49 +0300
  Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 10:38 -0600
    Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 11:51 -0500
      Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 11:29 -0600
        Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:00 -0500
          Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 12:49 -0600
            Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 13:57 -0500
              Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0400
              Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:29 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:31 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 14:46 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:51 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:04 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:06 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:34 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:15 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-13 11:08 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 16:43 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 11:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 17:14 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:20 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-13 20:24 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 17:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 12:48 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 12:41 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 19:39 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:59 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:12 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 15:33 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-14 20:48 +0000
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 16:04 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:22 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:11 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:52 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 15:59 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:10 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:59 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:19 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:16 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 10:54 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:13 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 15:36 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:45 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 10:57 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:16 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:24 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:00 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:25 +0300
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:50 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:08 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:31 +0300
              Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 13:25 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:02 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:04 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:15 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:27 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:03 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:21 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:27 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:40 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:57 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:15 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:28 -0400
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:38 -0600
                Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 16:44 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 15:56 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 17:10 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 16:31 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 18:33 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 18:32 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 19:53 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:00 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:18 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:19 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:23 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 21:26 -0400
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 20:28 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:49 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 10:34 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 10:47 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:00 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-13 11:49 -0600
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 12:55 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-14 12:27 +0300
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-14 14:52 -0500
                Re: Totally clueless about inductive inference? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:56 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2026-07-12 14:34 -0600
                Re: Olcott's system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-12 15:49 -0500
                Re: Olcott's system "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-13 13:52 -0700
                Re: Olcott's system Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-15 11:30 +0300
                Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 11:07 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 16:50 +0000
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:19 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-15 17:54 +0000
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 13:05 -0500
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-07-18 11:32 +0100
                Re: Terribly evil lies that kill all life on Earth Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-07-16 11:45 +0300

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