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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math, sci.math.symbolic |
| Subject | Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? |
| Date | 2026-05-14 02:14 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <10u43qf$1agu$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 5/1/2026 5:51 PM, dart200 wrote: > On 5/1/26 4:36 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/1/2026 6:27 PM, dart200 wrote: >>> On 5/1/26 4:20 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/1/2026 6:13 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>> On 5/1/26 2:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/1/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/1/26 2:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/1/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>> you seem to agree the halting problem isn't solvable, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you would fucking pay close attention: >>>>>>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>>>>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>>>>>> is unsolvable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe if you would repeat that to yourself >>>>>>>> 10,000 times you would bother to notice that >>>>>>>> I said this at least once. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ok. i don't necessarily disagree, the particular input is >>>>>>> undecidable due to the form of the input itself... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the problem i'm have with ur proposals is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _why do i care_ ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't give a rat's ass why you care. >>>>>> Objectively it is important because computable >>>>>> truth would expose the liars and thus avoid >>>>>> killing the whole planet for a few extra bucks. >>>>> >>>>> what are they even lying about??? >>>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/ >>>> publication/336568434_Severe_anthropogenic_climate_change_proven_entirely_with_verifiable_facts >>>> >>> >>> climate change is a severe existential threat i agree. >>> >>> i don't see how the halting problem or incompleteness relates as >>> neither are even mentioned in the paper >>> >> >> Because of fundamental misconceptions still exist about >> "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language" >> we continue to lack a reliable system that divides lies >> from truth. This prevents the required quorum of the >> public to implement sufficient climate change remedial >> measures. >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> can we further our ability in any way shape or form with this >>>>>>> understanding??? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> An infallible system of truth can be created on this >>>>>> basis. >>>>> >>>>> what more truth have you proposed??? the _same_ problem remains >>>>> with undecidable input... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Are you fucking stupid? > > yes > >>>> >>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>> is unsolvable. >>>> >>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>> is unsolvable. >>>> >>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>> is unsolvable. >>>> >>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>> is unsolvable. >>>> >>>> The halting problem is unsolvable for the same >>>> reason that the question: What time is it (yes or no)? >>>> is unsolvable. >>>> >>> >>> ok, so the problem remains unsolvable... i'm failing to see how this >>> is progress >>> >> >> Are to too stupid to see that it only remains unsolvable >> because it has been stupidly incorrect the whole time? > > ur not making it solvable by declaring the input invalid, > > that still leaves the problem unsolved as we obviously don't get a > decision on whether DD halts or not. > >> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so u seem to agree with consensus on the matter, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yet you're going on and on about them being wrong about why??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thing is: why do i care??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what _new abilities_ does ur supposed novel understanding >>>>>>>>> actually unlock??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> can we _do_ anything more it with it??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cause to me it seems ur proposing a new explanation, for the >>>>>>>>> _same_ limitations, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and that is _not at all_ exciting to think about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> why would i care about a "new" explanation for the _same_ >>>>>>>>> limitations??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > Olcott likes the little boys like the catholics, or the little girls like the mormons? See what his halt decider says...
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Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 16:19 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 14:46 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 16:53 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 16:13 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 18:20 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 16:27 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 18:36 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 17:51 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 20:23 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 20:13 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 22:56 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 01:21 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 07:45 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:09 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 14:49 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 15:10 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:27 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 15:52 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 20:12 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 23:00 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 21:23 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 08:59 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-05-04 09:21 +0300
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 10:29 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-05-05 11:50 +0300
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:54 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-05-07 10:09 +0300
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 02:14 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 19:07 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 20:14 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 20:16 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-01 20:21 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-06-11 22:17 +0100
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-11 17:19 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-06-12 15:28 +0100
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-06-12 11:03 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 20:57 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 07:32 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 11:59 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:08 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 14:48 -0500
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:20 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 20:50 -0700
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2026-05-02 15:50 +0000
Re: polcott wtf are you even arguing??? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 11:02 -0500
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