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Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable

From olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.logic, comp.theory, sci.math, comp.ai.philosophy
Subject Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable
Date 2025-12-15 09:49 -0600
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On 12/15/2025 3:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 13/12/2025 17:55, olcott wrote:
>> On 12/13/2025 5:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> olcott kirjoitti 8.12.2025 klo 21.05:
>>>> On 12/8/2025 3:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 7.12.2025 klo 19.15:
>>>>>> On 12/7/2025 4:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 6.12.2025 klo 14.46:
>>>>>>>> On 12/6/2025 3:21 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 4.12.2025 klo 16.10:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2025 3:07 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 3.12.2025 klo 18.11:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2025 4:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 26.11.2025 klo 17.13:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2025 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott kirjoitti 26.11.2025 klo 5.24:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 8:43 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 26/11/2025 à 03:41, olcott a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 8:36 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-25 19:30, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 8:12 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-25 19:08, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 8:00 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-25 18:43, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 7:29 PM, André G. Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-25 17:52, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2025 6:47 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-25, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gödel incompleteness can only exist in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems that divide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their syntax from their semantics ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, so, just confuse syntax for semantics, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all is fixed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things such as Montague Grammar are outside of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current knowledge. It is called Montague Grammar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it encodes natural language semantics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> syntax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're terribly confused here. Montague Grammar 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is called 'Montague Grammar' because it is due 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Richard Montague.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montague Grammar presents a theory of natural 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language (specifically English) semantics 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed in terms of logic. Formulae in his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system have a syntax. They also have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics. The two are very much distinct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montague Grammar is the syntax of English semantics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't even make sense of that. It's a *theory* 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of English semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Here is a concrete example*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The predicate Bachelor(x) is stipulated to mean 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Married(x)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the predicate Married(x) is defined in terms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of billions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of other things such as all of the details of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human(x).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A concrete example of what? That's certainly not an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of 'the syntax of English semantics'. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's simply a stipulation involving two predicates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> André
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is one concrete example of how a knowledge ontology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of trillions of predicates can define the finite set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of atomic facts of the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the topic under discussion was the relationship 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between syntax and semantics in Montague Grammar, not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how knowledge ontologies are represented. So this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't an example in anyway relevant to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Actually read this, this time*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt Gödel in his 1944 Russell's mathematical logic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave the following definition of the "theory of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple types" in a footnote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the theory of simple types I mean the doctrine 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which says that the objects of thought (or, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another interpretation, the symbolic expressions) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are divided into types, namely: individuals, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properties of individuals, relations between 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals, properties of such relations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the basic infrastructure for defining all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *objects of thought*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be defined in terms of other *objects of thought*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know full well what a theory of types is. It has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with the relationship between syntax 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and semantics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> André
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That particular theory of types lays out the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how all *objects of thought* can be defined in terms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of other *objects of thought* such that the entire body
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of knowledge that can be expressed in language can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encoded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a single coherent formal system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Typing “objects of thought” doesn’t make all truths 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provable — it only prevents ill-formed expressions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your system looks complete, it’s because you threw 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away every sentence that would have made it incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When ALL *objects of thought* are defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of other *objects of thought* then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their truth and their proof is simply walking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the knowledge tree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When ALL subjects of thoughts are defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of other subjects of thoughts then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are no subjects of thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am merely elaborating the structure of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge ontology inheritance hierarchy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree of knowledge. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When ALL subjects of thoughts are defined in terms of other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of thoughts the system of ALL subjects of thoughts is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either empty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not a hierarchy. There is no hierarchy where every 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member is under
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another member.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I have always been referring to the entire body of general 
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your condition that ALL objects of thought can be defined in 
>>>>>>>>>>> terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> other objects of thought is false about every non-empyt 
>>>>>>>>>>> collection of
>>>>>>>>>>> objects of thjought, inluding the entire body of general 
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>>> unless your system allows circular definitions that actually 
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> define.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes circular definitions can be defined syntactically
>>>>>>>>>> and are rejected as semantically unsound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they are syntactically valid then what does "reject" mean?
>>>>>>>>> What consequences does not have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does not semantically follow is exactly what I mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is quite far from the usual meaning of "reject".
>>>>
>>>> Is this gibberish nonsense: "iho iu,78r GYU(UY OPJ OJOJ"
>>>> a member of the body of general knowledge that can be
>>>> expressed in language? Reject means not a member.
>>>
>>> Not a memebr of what? 
>>
>> member of
>> the body of general knowledge
>> that can be expressed in language
> 
> That matters only if it is syntactically valid in that language.
> Is it?
> 

I use Montague Grammar fully integrating
semantics directly into the syntax making
unprovable in L simply untrue in L.

When L is the body of general knowledge that
can be expressed in language, then unprovable
in L means not a member of this body.

LLM systems have an easy time with this, it seems
that to everyone everywhere else integrating
semantics directly in syntax is not the way they
were taught thus seems to be nonsense.

LLM systems are not locked in to what they were
taught yet can extrapolate on the basis of what
they were taught.


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott<br><br>

My 28 year goal has been to make <br>
"true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"<br>
reliably computable.<br><br>

This required establishing a new foundation<br>

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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 00:47 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 18:52 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 00:57 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 19:19 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 01:32 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 18:29 -0700
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 19:43 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:34 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 02:36 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:46 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 02:47 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:01 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:11 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-26 07:34 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 17:03 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 19:53 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:36 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 19:36 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable polcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:10 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:30 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 02:36 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:43 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:09 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:17 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:26 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:32 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 05:15 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-26 07:36 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-26 11:22 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 09:15 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 10:20 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-26 10:31 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 19:43 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-27 09:40 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 09:17 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-27 10:42 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-28 10:29 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 08:54 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-28 17:22 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 16:31 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 11:40 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 10:42 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-29 15:01 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 12:19 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:45 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 02:46 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:22 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 03:24 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:27 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:33 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:50 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 22:18 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 21:56 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 21:54 -0800
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 21:58 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 22:06 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:01 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 08:53 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 10:06 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 21:59 -0800
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 05:16 +0000
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-26 07:27 -0500
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:08 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 -0700
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:30 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:41 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:24 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:30 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:45 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 22:01 -0600
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                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-26 11:05 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 08:58 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-27 09:30 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-27 09:16 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-28 10:35 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 09:16 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 11:44 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 10:40 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 12:14 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 09:13 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-28 10:36 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-28 09:18 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-29 11:48 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-29 10:45 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-11-30 12:07 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-03 12:53 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 10:11 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-04 11:07 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-04 08:10 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-05 11:13 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 11:40 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-06 11:19 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 06:45 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-07 12:55 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 13:44 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-06 11:21 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 06:46 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-07 12:50 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:15 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-08 11:08 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 13:05 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-13 13:05 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 09:55 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-15 11:52 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 09:49 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-12-17 12:49 +0200
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:45 -0700
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:59 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:16 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 02:34 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 20:37 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:02 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:06 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 03:08 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 03:19 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:28 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-11-26 05:53 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:15 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:21 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:16 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:08 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:19 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:22 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:30 -0600
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:18 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 22:14 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-26 01:48 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-11-25 20:59 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 21:11 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-26 19:16 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-26 19:34 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 20:05 -0800
            Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 13:27 -0800
              Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2025-11-26 19:23 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 14:40 -0500
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-26 20:03 -0800
        Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 16:29 -0800
          Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 00:31 +0000
            Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 17:09 -0800
              Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 01:19 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 18:38 -0800
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2025-11-26 02:40 +0000
                Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:16 -0800
          Re: New formal foundation for correct reasoning makes True(X) computable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-25 18:40 -0600
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