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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.logic, sci.math |
| Subject | Prolog semantics is 3-valued or intuitionistic [Feferman prefers partial logic] (Was: You have to check Feferman OST [Paradox Hunting]) |
| Date | 2025-11-09 20:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10eqp1c$1mql$1@solani.org> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
Hi,
But Prolog semantics is often taken 3-valued
or intuitionistic. And what is a Paradox in
classical logic with an absurdity result,
might be only a looping Prolog text when
executed in a Prolog prozessor. For example
this extended Horn Clause, Horn Clause with
negation as failure, here (the Liar):
p :- \+ p
Has a Clark completion which does not have a model:
p <-> ~p
In Feferman OST you find the looping somehow
expressed as free logic, i.e. there is an
operator down arrow ↓, and t↓ expresses
that t has a value. Used by Beeson for example
in an exemplar number theory to express that
division exists as long as you don't divide by
zero, and Feferman refers to Beeson:
7. The Logic of Partial Terms
y ≠ 0 → x/y ↓
https://www.michaelbeeson.com/research/papers/LambdaLogicOriginal.pdf
But for practical purposes this can be a
can of worms, and modern theorem provers have
an Option type which is for example:
Option<T> = nothing | just(T)
The can might be confusion of non-termination
with not in the domain of a function. Especially
when your logic and/or theory has constructivity
and non-constructivity side by side. Which is
usually the case in program verification, and
specification can be non-constructive, while
a Program code can be constructive,
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> You are still hunting Paradoxes, is
> this still a noble occupation?
> You have to check Feferman OST etc..
>
> The statement is only, that for A,
> formula, there exists t_A a term,
> such that:
>
> t_A(x) = tt <=> A(x)
>
> Gödel used the same, t_A is nothing
> else than a Gödelization of A. Only
> in Gödel numbers were used, and Gödel
>
> usually written as {A}. And already
> Gödel showed before Curry all kind of
> fixpoint paradoxes. But Feferman does
>
> not allow arbitrary A, and a modern
> branch of Feferman OST would be Reverse
> mathematics having a bunch of allowed
>
> or disallowed forms of A. What Feferman
> OST shows if he makes small large cardinals
> plausible, he shows of course also
>
> that the thingy is not inconsistent, i.e.
> has no Paradox under certain circumstances.
>
> Have Fun!
>
> Bye
>
> BTW: OST is related to Gödels constructive
> universe L, and papers such as these are
> full of V = L assumptions:
>
> https://home.inf.unibe.ch/gerhard.jaeger/16-relativizing_OST.pdf
>
> But I don't know how substantial the stuff
> there is. I only use the fact that t is a term,
> and then terms in my Prolog system Dogelog Player
>
> correspond to compiled code. So t_A is basically
> not anymore the original formula A, as already in
> OST, but its not so much viewed as a Gödelization
>
> out of the blue, more as a code for some Prolog machine.
>
> Ross Finlayson schrieb:
>> It may remind one of the Curry correspondence.
>>
>> Of course, in mathematics, that then gets into
>> compactness and fixed-point theorem(s) and
>> definition(s) of the direct product of integers.
>>
>> I.e., in mathematics, "equality" begets infinitary reasoning.
>>
>> Some years ago, there was a thread on sci.logic
>> about Curry correspondence, I wrote on it, so,
>> there's probably something meaningful to it.
>>
>> In, "the logic", say.
>>
>> https://sci.logic.narkive.com/36tgd6NK/curry-s-paradox-in-propositional-logic
>>
>>
>>
>
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