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Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere

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abelard wrote:

> On 9 Oct 2016 18:47:37 GMT, 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> 
>>everyone hates me wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> On 09 Oct 2016 07:21 PM ,7 <7@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>> abelard wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > On 9 Oct 2016 15:26:15 GMT, 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> >>everyone hates me wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >> > Speculative.
>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>> >> > "The electric vehicle of the future will be carbon negative
>>>> >>>> >> > (reducing the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide) not just
>>>> >>>> >> > carbon neutral (not adding CO2 to the atmosphere), say
>>>> >>>> >> > researchers at Vanderbilt University and George Washington
>>>> >>>> >> > University (GWU).
>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>> >> > The trick: replace graphite electrodes in lithium-ion
>>>> >>>> >> > batteries (used in electric vehicles) with carbon nanotubes
>>>> >>>> >> > and carbon nanofibers recovered from carbon dioxide in the
>>>> >>>> >> > atmosphere. The new technology could also be used in
>>>> >>>> >> > sodium-ion batteries, currently under development for
>>>> >>>> >> > large-scale applications, such as the electric grid."
>>>> >>>> >> > 
>>>> >>>> >> > http://www.kurzweilai.net/converting-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-into-carbon-nanotubes-for-use-in-batteries
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> The world puffs out 10 beeeelion tons of CO2.
>>>> >>>> >> Hardly enough to grow 50 x 50 mile square of forest.
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> Quaaackhhhh!!!
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> Last 100 years of emissions would not grow you
>>>> >>>> >> 500 x 500 miles square of forest.
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> Climate trolls have a lot of explaining to do.
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> The net CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.04%.
>>>> >>>> >> 
>>>> >>>> >> Put that much amount of CO2 in a jar to measure
>>>> >>>> >> heat retention, and you got pretty close to zero.
>>>> >>>> > 
>>>> >>>> > Except of course that heat retention is not the parameter to
>>>> >>>> > measure.
>>>> >>>> > 
>>>> >>>> > You need to measure incoming short wave radiation compared to
>>>> >>>> > outgoing long wave radiation as you increase the CO2.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> Measure it all you want - the ground and water does a better job
>>>> >>>> of this than CO2.
>>>> >>>>  
>>>> >>>> > And you have omitted to mention that the biggest contributor (by
>>>> >>>> > a long way) towards the greenhouse effect is water vapour.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> No I woudn't. 2/3rd of the globe is water and water vapour
>>>> >>>> heat retention is 99.99% of the total heat in the atmosphere.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> CO2 has no effect on this.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>>  
>>>> >>>> > The warmer the atmosphere becomes, the greater the volume of
>>>> >>>> > water vapour it can hold.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> False.
>>>> >>>> 
>>>> >>>> All heat is lost during the night at the rate of around 1 degree
>>>> >>>> per hour. The Sun has to put it all back the next day.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> Nonsense.
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> You need to stop reading Noddy's Guide To Diurnal Temperature
>>>> >>> Variation and try a proper science book.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Do tell us which science books Noddy told you read???!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>If the Earth's temperature is not dropping an average of 1 degree per
>>>> >>hour during the night what do you think it is doing?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Half degree per hour?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>0.01 degree per hour?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>In deserts with no cloud cover its several degrees per hour.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Climate trolls have no idea how much heat is lost during
>>>> >>the night that the Sun has to put back during the day.
>>>> > 
>>>> > the numbers are well known by anyone who studies
>>>> 
>>>> TROLL!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yes well known well known.
>>>> Anyone is anyone.
>>>> Studies is studies.
>>>> Brexshit is Brexshit.
>>>> Today is Today.
>>>> Tomorrow is Tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> But you don't know is you don't know.
>>>> 
>>>> Naturally.
> 
>>> Reduced to dodging now.
>>
>>Not dodging anything.
>>
>>The abeltard has dodged the issue and doesn't know Earth's
>>temperature drops an average 1 degree per hour during
>>the night and climbs 1 degree per hour during day.
>>
>>Climate trolls I assume are having a fit knowing this.
>>
>>The Sun is causing 1 degree per hour glow ball warming.
>>Glow ball wamming has now gone mad.
>>Let all jump off a cliff.
>>Save the planet.
>>Yay!
>>
>>Is that about right?
> 
> you are so uneducated and too dim to realise it!
> 
> why do you suppose under earth heat exchangers work? or don't
>     you even know what they are?
> 
> here's one of the pages i produced while studying the problems 10
>     years ago...
> 
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/global_warming_atmospheric_chemistry_physics.php

OMG! You are a fscking basket case!!

The radiative forcing values for example are close to nil.

The trolls who made up those numbers by 'estimating'
didn't take account of water vapour.
So they were lying more like.

And the equations that give the numbers is some negative
exponential which the original authors of these trolls now concede.

My advise is buy the biggest banana your local shop sells,
and stick it up your asp. It would make me feel better.

TIA.

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Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 11:41 +0000
  Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 07:05 -0500
    Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 12:24 +0000
      Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 08:02 -0500
        Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-09 15:07 +0200
        Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 15:26 +0000
          Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-09 20:11 +0200
            Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 18:21 +0000
              Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 13:36 -0500
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 18:47 +0000
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-09 22:23 +0200
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-10 20:44 +0000
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-12 13:45 +0200
      Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 08:09 -0500
        Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 15:21 +0000
          Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-09 17:22 +0200
            Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2016-10-09 11:31 -0400
              Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-10-09 17:39 +0200
          Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 11:27 -0500
            Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 18:32 +0000
              Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 13:46 -0500
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-09 18:55 +0000
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere "everyone hates me" <ssos@bungay.com> - 2016-10-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Cars that remove carbon from the atmosphere 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-10 20:35 +0000

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