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| Started by | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| First post | 2020-06-18 14:03 +0100 |
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Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-18 14:03 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-18 14:28 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-06-18 20:08 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-18 15:41 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-18 18:16 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-18 23:48 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-18 19:38 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-19 21:46 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-19 18:55 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-19 23:59 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-06-20 12:09 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-20 13:03 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-20 11:24 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-20 16:58 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-06-20 23:28 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-20 14:15 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-06-20 23:54 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-26 05:10 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-26 11:27 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-27 06:40 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-27 09:55 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-29 02:59 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-29 10:54 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-30 03:28 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2020-06-20 20:18 +0200
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-24 18:37 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-26 04:54 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-11 21:38 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-13 03:21 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-13 13:32 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-26 04:23 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-06-26 14:02 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-27 06:56 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-12 18:45 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-07-12 23:31 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-07-12 20:21 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-07-13 10:23 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-13 13:36 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-07-13 20:57 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2020-07-13 17:39 +0200
Re: Error of % + digits? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-07-13 21:04 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 21:35 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 21:36 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-07-21 12:05 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-31 23:53 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2020-08-01 14:31 +0530
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-13 13:35 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-16 07:30 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 00:19 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-21 01:13 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 22:27 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-09-09 07:39 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-07-17 12:15 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 19:02 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-13 13:38 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-06-24 20:06 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-06-30 00:41 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-06-30 03:52 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-06-30 11:09 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-02 05:45 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-07-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-02 10:41 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? RheillyPhoull <Rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2020-07-03 09:20 +0800
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-16 20:09 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-07-17 14:02 +0000
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 19:16 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-07-17 20:26 +0000
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 21:44 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-07-17 22:37 +0000
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:11 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-17 18:07 -0400
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-17 19:10 -0400
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:18 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-17 19:30 -0400
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 22:16 +0100
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-22 04:24 +0000
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-22 12:28 -0400
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-22 04:20 +0000
Re: Separate amps jacks on multimeters Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-22 12:23 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2020-07-03 13:10 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-03 10:14 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-16 20:10 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-16 16:03 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 13:13 -0700
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 00:02 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-16 23:29 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-24 22:09 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-07-24 22:58 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-25 00:31 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 00:01 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-16 18:51 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-26 03:53 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-16 18:45 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> - 2020-07-16 15:53 -0400
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-16 18:46 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> - 2020-07-16 10:54 -0700
Re: Error of % + digits? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 00:15 +0100
Re: Error of % + digits? Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2020-07-26 04:17 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-06-30 07:59 +0000
Re: Error of % + digits? Dieter Michel <dmichel@prosound.de> - 2020-06-22 17:19 +0200
Re: Error of % + digits? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-06-24 20:03 +0000
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-07-13 21:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <X63PG.425556$w41.293122@fx38.am4> |
| In reply to | #422 |
On 13/07/20 16:39, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > On 2020-07-13 17:27, Pimpom wrote: >> On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > [...] >>> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the >>> sentence! >>> >> So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent considerable >> time and effort[...] > > Just drop it. There are better things to do than to argue > with a cantankerous teenager. If a conversation turns into > a source of irritation, the best way is to simply drop out. Precisely. That was my decision too. An easy decision given the moniker "Commander Kinsey" is either someone that has too high a regard for themselves, or is indicating that they intend to troll.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-20 21:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0n2l55vawdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #423 |
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:04:07 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > On 13/07/20 16:39, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >> On 2020-07-13 17:27, Pimpom wrote: >>> On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> [...] >>>> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the >>>> sentence! >>>> >>> So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent considerable >>> time and effort[...] >> >> Just drop it. There are better things to do than to argue >> with a cantankerous teenager. If a conversation turns into >> a source of irritation, the best way is to simply drop out. > > Precisely. > > That was my decision too. An easy decision given the moniker > "Commander Kinsey" is either someone that has too high a > regard for themselves, or is indicating that they intend to > troll. No such thing as a troll, just someone you disagree with.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-20 21:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0n2l65ktwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #421 |
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:27:26 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:53:29 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/13/2020 12:51 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: >>>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>>> digit? >>>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>>> >>>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>>> >>>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >>>> >>> >>> My bad. This is the first time I heard that the mil is not used >>> as the unit for .001" in the UK. (I'm *not* an American). >> >> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the sentence! >> > So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent > considerable time and effort patiently explaining to you a > concept that many/most readers here probably already knew, and > would quickly grasp if they didn't. Sheesh! > > And is there a law against non-Americans using an American > expression? FYI I'm none of these: American, British, Australian > or Canadian - or a citizen of any other country where English is > natively spoken. It's not grammar, it's missing off an entuire word, the one with the meaning in it! It's like saying "Today I went out and did some".
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| From | Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-21 12:05 +0530 |
| Message-ID | <K0wRG.62193$Rb1.38858@fx35.ams1> |
| In reply to | #474 |
On 7/21/2020 2:06 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:27:26 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:53:29 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> My bad. This is the first time I heard that the mil is not used >>>> as the unit for .001" in the UK. (I'm *not* an American). >>> >>> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the sentence! >>> >> So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent >> considerable time and effort patiently explaining to you a >> concept that many/most readers here probably already knew, and >> would quickly grasp if they didn't. Sheesh! >> >> And is there a law against non-Americans using an American >> expression? FYI I'm none of these: American, British, Australian >> or Canadian - or a citizen of any other country where English is >> natively spoken. > > It's not grammar, it's missing off an entuire word, the one with the meaning in it! > It took you more than a week to think up that comeback? Anyway, good luck with your self-appointed job of reforming the usage of American slang which, by the way, has pervaded much of the world outside the US. And what does "entuire" mean? Blimey! Skitt's Law, you know, old boy. > It's like saying "Today I went out and did some". > That would be quite acceptable if the context were known.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-31 23:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0om5vrxwwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #476 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:35:18 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 7/21/2020 2:06 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:27:26 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:53:29 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> My bad. This is the first time I heard that the mil is not used >>>>> as the unit for .001" in the UK. (I'm *not* an American). >>>> >>>> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the sentence! >>>> >>> So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent >>> considerable time and effort patiently explaining to you a >>> concept that many/most readers here probably already knew, and >>> would quickly grasp if they didn't. Sheesh! >>> >>> And is there a law against non-Americans using an American >>> expression? FYI I'm none of these: American, British, Australian >>> or Canadian - or a citizen of any other country where English is >>> natively spoken. >> >> It's not grammar, it's missing off an entuire word, the one with the meaning in it! >> > It took you more than a week to think up that comeback? You think all I do is reply in here? > Anyway, good luck with your self-appointed job of reforming the usage of > American slang which, by the way, has pervaded much of the world > outside the US. It's not said in the UK. We can speak our own language correctly. > And what does "entuire" mean? Blimey! Skitt's Law, you know, old boy. Learn the difference between a typo and stupidity. >> It's like saying "Today I went out and did some". >> > That would be quite acceptable if the context were known. Why make your conversations like jpeg encoding?
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| From | Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-01 14:31 +0530 |
| Message-ID | <ObaVG.124350$Sp6.111541@fx29.ams1> |
| In reply to | #488 |
On 8/1/2020 4:23 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:35:18 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On 7/21/2020 2:06 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:27:26 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/13/2020 6:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:53:29 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My bad. This is the first time I heard that the mil is not used >>>>>> as the unit for .001" in the UK. (I'm *not* an American). >>>>> >>>>> If you're not American why did you say "my bad"? Your bad what? Finish the sentence! >>>>> >>>> So now you're a grammar Nazi? This after I (and others) spent >>>> considerable time and effort patiently explaining to you a >>>> concept that many/most readers here probably already knew, and >>>> would quickly grasp if they didn't. Sheesh! >>>> >>>> And is there a law against non-Americans using an American >>>> expression? FYI I'm none of these: American, British, Australian >>>> or Canadian - or a citizen of any other country where English is >>>> natively spoken. >>> >>> It's not grammar, it's missing off an entuire word, the one with the meaning in it! >>> >> It took you more than a week to think up that comeback? > > You think all I do is reply in here? > >> Anyway, good luck with your self-appointed job of reforming the usage of >> American slang which, by the way, has pervaded much of the world >> outside the US. > > It's not said in the UK. We can speak our own language correctly. > You speak for all of the UK? My my, what delusions of grandeur. And who are you to try to enforce the exclusive use of British English in a newsgroup? >> And what does "entuire" mean? Blimey! Skitt's Law, you know, old boy. > > Learn the difference between a typo and stupidity. > >>> It's like saying "Today I went out and did some". >>> >> That would be quite acceptable if the context were known. > > Why make your conversations like jpeg encoding? > Do you realise that that sentence itself is a condensed form? Still Skitt's Law.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-13 13:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0no09q0awdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #414 |
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>> >>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>> digit? >> .....<snip>........ >>> >>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>> >> >> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. > > In the UK "mill" means millilitre. > > If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then > it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. > > In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no confusion.
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| From | Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-16 07:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <reovmc$gs8$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #418 |
In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>> >>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>> digit? >>> .....<snip>........ >>>> >>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>> >>> >>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >> >> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >> >> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >> >> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". > > Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says > "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as > shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". > Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no > confusion. The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen would be measured thicknesses of paper. We (in the US) use "guage" for wire and sheet metal. We also use "guage" for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a door or installing a countertop?
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 00:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nve3ltpwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #445 |
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:30:20 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: > In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>> >>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>> digit? >>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>> >>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>> >>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>> >>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>> >>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >> >> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >> confusion. > > The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or > whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen > would be measured thicknesses of paper. > > We (in the US) use "guage" for wire Isn't that really hard to work out? We use cross sectional area in mm. Which is really easy to imagine. With the added bonus that a higher number is thicker. It's also pretty handy as a rough guide that 1 square mm carries 10 amps. > and sheet metal. Seriously? Wow. Why would you nbot measure a thickness in a unit of distance? > We also use "guage" > for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's > a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. We use microns. > Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to > 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a > door or installing a countertop? Depends if something else is in the way. I'd always try to use round numbers.
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| From | Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-21 01:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rf5fgk$2h9$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #458 |
In sci.electronics.basics Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:30:20 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: > >> In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>>> digit? >>>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>>> >>>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>>> >>>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >>> >>> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >>> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >>> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >>> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >>> confusion. >> >> The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or >> whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen >> would be measured thicknesses of paper. >> >> We (in the US) use "guage" for wire > > Isn't that really hard to work out? We use cross sectional area in mm. Which is really easy to imagine. With the added bonus that a higher number is thicker. It's also pretty handy as a rough guide that 1 square mm carries 10 amps. Not really. If you can only count with your fingers you probably aren't building anything impressive to start with. The entire fallacy of "metric is easy, base 10, duh" is just bullshit. Check dimensions of anything designed by people that don't know what fractions are. There are tons of weird numbers like 13.1mm and so forth. It's no different than 1-1/8th inches. >> and sheet metal. > > Seriously? Wow. Why would you nbot measure a thickness in a unit of distance? The guage for sheet metal is sort of obnoxious. It will vary by type of metal as well, if that makes any sense. >> We also use "guage" >> for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's >> a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. > > We use microns. how many microns thick is your plastic trash bag? The last ones I got were speced on the box as "0.7 mil" There's no false sense of precision there, like with the 610mm countertop or whatever it was. >> Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to >> 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a >> door or installing a countertop? > > Depends if something else is in the way. I'd always try to use round numbers. Would round be 320mm and 430mm instead of 317 and 429? Do you split in 5mm increments too? I'm really curious about this.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 22:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0ougj2jjwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #475 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 02:13:56 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: > In sci.electronics.basics Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:30:20 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: >> >>> In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>>>> digit? >>>>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>>>> >>>>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>>>> >>>>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>>>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>>>> >>>>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >>>> >>>> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >>>> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >>>> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >>>> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >>>> confusion. >>> >>> The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or >>> whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen >>> would be measured thicknesses of paper. >>> >>> We (in the US) use "guage" for wire >> >> Isn't that really hard to work out? We use cross sectional area in mm. Which is really easy to imagine. With the added bonus that a higher number is thicker. It's also pretty handy as a rough guide that 1 square mm carries 10 amps. > > Not really. If you can only count with your fingers you probably aren't > building anything impressive to start with. The entire fallacy of "metric > is easy, base 10, duh" is just bullshit. Check dimensions of anything > designed by people that don't know what fractions are. There are tons of > weird numbers like 13.1mm and so forth. It's no different than 1-1/8th > inches. Yes it ism because the number system works in 10s. So if the measurements do too, it's simpler to calculate, especially when you get 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 inches. What's 1/4 inch + 1/16? And even worse, how many feet in 197 inches? >>> and sheet metal. >> >> Seriously? Wow. Why would you not measure a thickness in a unit of distance? > > The guage for sheet metal is sort of obnoxious. It will vary by type of > metal as well, if that makes any sense. It's daft for wiring aswell. I can immediately visualise what a 6mm^2 cross section of wire is like, and know how much current it will take. >>> We also use "guage" >>> for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's >>> a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. >> >> We use microns. > > how many microns thick is your plastic trash bag? Not enough. They've now made them so thin that everybody ends up tearing them or using two or three layers to stop stuff going through them. Fucking environmentalists. > The last ones I got were > speced on the box as "0.7 mil" There's no false sense of precision there, Mil what? Millimeters? Thousands of an inch? > like with the 610mm countertop or whatever it was. What's wrong with bags in microns? It's the correct unit of measurement, as it's thinner than a mm. You wouldn't drive 17,000 yards, you'd state it in miles. >>> Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to >>> 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a >>> door or installing a countertop? >> >> Depends if something else is in the way. I'd always try to use round numbers. > > Would round be 320mm and 430mm instead of 317 and 429? Do you split in 5mm > increments too? I'm really curious about this. Not sure what you're asking here. If I'm designing something, I'll use round numbers. I just built a parrot nestbox. Funnily enough I cut the wood to 30cm, not 25 or 28.
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| From | Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 07:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rja0re$98u$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #490 |
In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 02:13:56 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: > >> In sci.electronics.basics Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:30:20 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>>>>> digit? >>>>>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>>>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>>>>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >>>>> >>>>> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >>>>> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >>>>> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >>>>> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >>>>> confusion. >>>> >>>> The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or >>>> whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen >>>> would be measured thicknesses of paper. >>>> >>>> We (in the US) use "guage" for wire >>> >>> Isn't that really hard to work out? We use cross sectional area in mm. Which is really easy to imagine. With the added bonus that a higher number is thicker. It's also pretty handy as a rough guide that 1 square mm carries 10 amps. >> >> Not really. If you can only count with your fingers you probably aren't >> building anything impressive to start with. The entire fallacy of "metric >> is easy, base 10, duh" is just bullshit. Check dimensions of anything >> designed by people that don't know what fractions are. There are tons of >> weird numbers like 13.1mm and so forth. It's no different than 1-1/8th >> inches. > > Yes it ism because the number system works in 10s. So if the > measurements do too, it's simpler to calculate, especially when you get > 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 inches. What's 1/4 inch + 1/16? And even > worse, how many feet in 197 inches? Is this supposed to be some sort of "hard" challenge? answer 1 is 5/16". answer 2 is 16'5". No calculator, no pencil and paper and no real thinking even needed to solve these. Sorry metric slaves can't do basic match and can only slide commas around between digits. >>>> and sheet metal. >>> >>> Seriously? Wow. Why would you not measure a thickness in a unit of >>> distance? >> >> The guage for sheet metal is sort of obnoxious. It will vary by type of >> metal as well, if that makes any sense. > > It's daft for wiring aswell. I can immediately visualise what a 6mm^2 > cross section of wire is like, and know how much current it will take. Wow, you're so smart. You think we can't visualize 18 or 6 guage wire and know how much current it can carry? >>>> We also use "guage" >>>> for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's >>>> a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. >>> >>> We use microns. >> >> how many microns thick is your plastic trash bag? > > Not enough. They've now made them so thin that everybody ends up > tearing them or using two or three layers to stop stuff going through > them. Fucking environmentalists. I have to agree here on most bags. >> The last ones I got were >> speced on the box as "0.7 mil" There's no false sense of precision there, > > Mil what? Millimeters? Thousands of an inch? > >> like with the 610mm countertop or whatever it was. > > What's wrong with bags in microns? It's the correct unit of measurement, as it's thinner than a mm. You wouldn't drive 17,000 yards, you'd state it in miles. > >>>> Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to >>>> 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a >>>> door or installing a countertop? >>> >>> Depends if something else is in the way. I'd always try to use round >>> numbers. >> >> Would round be 320mm and 430mm instead of 317 and 429? Do you split in 5mm >> increments too? I'm really curious about this. > > Not sure what you're asking here. If I'm designing something, I'll use > round numbers. I just built a parrot nestbox. Funnily enough I cut the > wood to 30cm, not 25 or 28. quick, what's 30cm + 3.5mm?
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 12:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <res4os$3a4$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #445 |
On 2020-07-16, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote: > In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>> >>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>> digit? >>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>> >>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>> >>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>> >>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>> >>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >> >> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >> confusion. > > The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or > whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen > would be measured thicknesses of paper. > > We (in the US) use "guage" for wire and sheet metal. We also use "guage" > for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's > a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. sheet metal in mm (1.6mm, 0.65mm etc...) plastic sheet in microns 40um etc. electric wire in square mm. fencing wire in mm diameter. > Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to > 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a > door or installing a countertop? Yes, if that is the right size. buildings are usually specified in multiples of 100mm. often multiples of 300mm or 1000mm furniture usually in multiples of 25mm Factory door sizes are 620mm + multiples of 50mm, but not all openings are the right size for the factory door. Timber sizes for dressed finger-jointed framing timber are accurate to withion 0.5mm are are certain preferred multiples of 5mm eg: 70x35 used mainly for non-structual walls. 90x45 used mainly for structural walls. The stud spacing and top-plate height will typically be some multiple of 50mm So a lot of the cutting for studs, and blocking is at multiples of 5mm. that's if you're not using pre-fabricated framing. Carpenters use millimeteres. they say centimeters are for tailors, and inches are for cobblers. -- Jasen.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 19:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0og8duavwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #460 |
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:15:24 +0100, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote: > On 2020-07-16, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote: >> In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:21:10 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/07/20 19:01, Pimpom wrote: >>>>> On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>>>>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>>>>>> digit? >>>>> .....<snip>........ >>>>>> >>>>>> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an >>>>>> inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always meant, a >>>>> thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mill" means millilitre. >>>> >>>> If you want to refer to fractions of an inch, then >>>> it is /always/ "thou", i.e. thousandths of an inch. >>>> >>>> In the UK "mil/mill" /never/ means 0.001". >>> >>> Yes it does. My neighbour's a tradesman (in Scotland) and says >>> "mill/mil" (I don't know which as they sound the same in speech) as >>> shorthand for millimetre. As in "that kitchen unit is 600 mill wide". >>> Since we don't use inches for such things in the UK, there's no >>> confusion. >> >> The context there is key too. While I'd not measure a countertop or >> whatever in millimeters, it would make no sense that anything in a kitchen >> would be measured thicknesses of paper. >> >> We (in the US) use "guage" for wire and sheet metal. We also use "guage" >> for measuring really thin stuff like plastic films. In the last case, it's >> a completly different unit, but with proper context won't confuse anybody. > > sheet metal in mm (1.6mm, 0.65mm etc...) > plastic sheet in microns 40um etc. > electric wire in square mm. > fencing wire in mm diameter. Much more sensible. Guage is meaningless and is the wrong way round, higher numbers are smaller! >> Question for the metric woodworkers. Does anybody cut a piece of wood to >> 317mm or 429mm or other off numbers when building a house or handing a >> door or installing a countertop? > > Yes, if that is the right size. buildings are usually specified in > multiples of 100mm. often multiples of 300mm or 1000mm > furniture usually in multiples of 25mm > > Factory door sizes are 620mm + multiples of 50mm, but not all openings > are the right size for the factory door. There seems to be no standard for doors. You can order about 15 different sizes in the UK, but never anywhere near the one you need. > Timber sizes for dressed finger-jointed framing timber are accurate to > withion 0.5mm are are certain preferred multiples of 5mm eg: 70x35 used > mainly for non-structual walls. 90x45 used mainly for structural walls. > > The stud spacing and top-plate height will typically be some multiple > of 50mm So a lot of the cutting for studs, and blocking is at multiples > of 5mm. that's if you're not using pre-fabricated framing. > > Carpenters use millimeteres. they say centimeters > are for tailors, and inches are for cobblers. I use the most sensible denomination for the job. I won't say 600mm when I could say 60cm. And I weigh myself in stone, not pounds.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-13 13:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0no1dmndwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #413 |
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:01:01 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 7/12/2020 11:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:23:31 +0100, Cydrome Leader <presence@mungepanix.com> wrote: >> >>> In sci.electronics.equipment Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>> My mechanical slide caliper has a resolution of 0.001 inch. This >>>> means that it can display measurements with a precision of 1 mil, >>> >>> What if your caliper had a resolution of 1 mil +/- 3 counts on the last >>> digit? > .....<snip>........ >> >> In America, what is a "mill"? In the UK, it used to mean a thousandth of an inch, but people use it to mean a millimetre nowadays. >> > > It's not a mill. It's mil - single l. It means, and has always > meant, a thousandth of an inch. It's not an Americanism. I only expect such ambiguity from Australians. They say "6 Ks" to mean 6 km. I say the complete words. Kilometre, millimetre, millilitre, etc.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-06-24 20:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rd0bnc$r7s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #370 |
In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:38:46 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On 6/18/2020 6:33 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> I just bought an amp clamp meter, and it states the error is "+/- >>> 1.9% + 3 digits". What does the "3 digits" part mean? >>> >> >> If your meter should read, say 1.875 A, the correct reading could >> be anywhere from 1.872 to 1.878. This is a possible error in the >> display presented to you in the analog-digital display conversion >> process. The +/-1.9% possible error is about the measurement >> taken including - but not only - any error made by the sensor. > > Thanks, I wonder why all my other meters only list a % error. Is it > included within it somehow, or are they just lying, or do some meters > not have this error? One generally finds the percentage plus digits error measures on more expensive equipment. Less expensive equipment more often than not only lists a percentage and nothing more.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-06-30 00:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0mzyrx0owdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #388 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 21:06:04 +0100, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:38:46 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 6/18/2020 6:33 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> I just bought an amp clamp meter, and it states the error is "+/- >>>> 1.9% + 3 digits". What does the "3 digits" part mean? >>>> >>> >>> If your meter should read, say 1.875 A, the correct reading could >>> be anywhere from 1.872 to 1.878. This is a possible error in the >>> display presented to you in the analog-digital display conversion >>> process. The +/-1.9% possible error is about the measurement >>> taken including - but not only - any error made by the sensor. >> >> Thanks, I wonder why all my other meters only list a % error. Is it >> included within it somehow, or are they just lying, or do some meters >> not have this error? > > One generally finds the percentage plus digits error measures on more > expensive equipment. Less expensive equipment more often than not only > lists a percentage and nothing more. So should I assume the cheaper ones are lying? Or have they just made a rough estimate adding the two errors?
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| From | Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-06-30 03:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdecuc$m73$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #400 |
In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 21:06:04 +0100, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> In sci.electronics.equipment Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:38:46 +0100, Pimpom <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/18/2020 6:33 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> I just bought an amp clamp meter, and it states the error is "+/- >>>>> 1.9% + 3 digits". What does the "3 digits" part mean? >>>>> >>>> >>>> If your meter should read, say 1.875 A, the correct reading could >>>> be anywhere from 1.872 to 1.878. This is a possible error in the >>>> display presented to you in the analog-digital display conversion >>>> process. The +/-1.9% possible error is about the measurement >>>> taken including - but not only - any error made by the sensor. >>> >>> Thanks, I wonder why all my other meters only list a % error. Is it >>> included within it somehow, or are they just lying, or do some meters >>> not have this error? >> >> One generally finds the percentage plus digits error measures on more >> expensive equipment. Less expensive equipment more often than not only >> lists a percentage and nothing more. > > So should I assume the cheaper ones are lying? Or have they just made a rough estimate adding the two errors? might be both. I dug out my first DMM, a Wavetek DM2, circa 1990s. It might have been from a raffle or something like that. The DC voltage specs range from 0.8% +1 digit (not bad really) over to the AC ranges which are "1.2% RDG +10 Digits". If I had new leads, I'd trust it with outlet voltage, but would stay away from 208volts. The meter has 3.5 digits or max display of 1999. I'm figuring a real 100volt AC reading could be 99 to 101 plus another error of +/- 1 volt for the 10 digits tolerance on the display or count. so 100volts from your Japanese outlet reference might read 98 to 102 volts. So while in the ballpark, it's better than you can read off a Simpson 260 meter in the AC voltage range. I could be wrong on this too. It's a pretty decent meter for poking at DC circuits for the tens of dollars is must have cost when new.
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| From | Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2020-06-30 11:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.39651fb94464df2c989f3d@news.east.earthlink.net> |
| In reply to | #402 |
In article <rdecuc$m73$1@reader1.panix.com>, presence@MUNGEpanix.com says... > > > So should I assume the cheaper ones are lying? Or have they just made a rough estimate adding the two errors? > > might be both. I dug out my first DMM, a Wavetek DM2, circa 1990s. It might > have been from a raffle or something like that. > > The DC voltage specs range from 0.8% +1 digit (not bad really) over to the > AC ranges which are "1.2% RDG +10 Digits". If I had new leads, I'd trust it > with outlet voltage, but would stay away from 208volts. The meter has 3.5 > digits or max display of 1999. I'm figuring a real 100volt AC reading could > be 99 to 101 plus another error of +/- 1 volt for the 10 digits tolerance > on the display or count. so 100volts from your Japanese outlet reference > might read 98 to 102 volts. So while in the ballpark, it's better than you > can read off a Simpson 260 meter in the AC voltage range. I could be wrong > on this too. > > It's a pretty decent meter for poking at DC circuits for the tens of > dollars is must have cost when new. > > It seems that maybe due to modern manufactoring the meters are more accurate than they were 20 years ago. I bought some DC voltmeters from China. They display 3 digits. They read from 0 to 99.9 volts. I coulg get 4 of them for less than $ 15 including the shipping. I hooked all 4 of them in parallel with a Fluke 87 . Three of them tracked right along with the Fluke with the last digit sometimes being one high or low from 0 to 24 volts. The fourth one was off by an average of 2 on the last digit. I found an adjustment screw on the back of the meter and tweaked it and re ran the test. It then fell in line with the other meters. I had 3 or 4 of the Harbor Freight 'free' multimeters. The ones that usually sell for around $ 5. They seem to be reasonable accurate for the money. Plenty accurate for the home user to test things around the house. I do admit that the safety issue of putting them across the 120 or 240 volt power wires is somewhat doubtful. I sure would not use one where I worked to put across the 480 volt 3 phase system that is fused with 200 amps.
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| From | Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-02 05:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdjsa6$28b$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #404 |
In sci.electronics.equipment Ralph Mowery <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote: > In article <rdecuc$m73$1@reader1.panix.com>, presence@MUNGEpanix.com > says... >> >> > So should I assume the cheaper ones are lying? Or have they just made a rough estimate adding the two errors? >> >> might be both. I dug out my first DMM, a Wavetek DM2, circa 1990s. It might >> have been from a raffle or something like that. >> >> The DC voltage specs range from 0.8% +1 digit (not bad really) over to the >> AC ranges which are "1.2% RDG +10 Digits". If I had new leads, I'd trust it >> with outlet voltage, but would stay away from 208volts. The meter has 3.5 >> digits or max display of 1999. I'm figuring a real 100volt AC reading could >> be 99 to 101 plus another error of +/- 1 volt for the 10 digits tolerance >> on the display or count. so 100volts from your Japanese outlet reference >> might read 98 to 102 volts. So while in the ballpark, it's better than you >> can read off a Simpson 260 meter in the AC voltage range. I could be wrong >> on this too. >> >> It's a pretty decent meter for poking at DC circuits for the tens of >> dollars is must have cost when new. >> >> > > It seems that maybe due to modern manufactoring the meters are more > accurate than they were 20 years ago. I bought some DC voltmeters from > China. They display 3 digits. They read from 0 to 99.9 volts. I coulg > get 4 of them for less than $ 15 including the shipping. I hooked all 4 > of them in parallel with a Fluke 87 . Three of them tracked right along > with the Fluke with the last digit sometimes being one high or low from > 0 to 24 volts. The fourth one was off by an average of 2 on the last > digit. I found an adjustment screw on the back of the meter and tweaked > it and re ran the test. It then fell in line with the other meters. Have you run this test with AC? That seems to be where the wheels come off. I brought up this thread to a friend and he mentioned his quest to repair some sort of HP true RMS meter that uses a thermocouple and heater to properly measure complex waveforms. I can't even guess how slow such a meter might be. > I had 3 or 4 of the Harbor Freight 'free' multimeters. The ones that > usually sell for around $ 5. They seem to be reasonable accurate for > the money. Plenty accurate for the home user to test things around the > house. I do admit that the safety issue of putting them across the 120 > or 240 volt power wires is somewhat doubtful. I sure would not use one > where I worked to put across the 480 volt 3 phase system that is fused > with 200 amps. I'm pretty timid with anything upstream from a plain outlet. I had an edison base fuse burst in my hand once. Never seen one come apart before. It was just a 120v lighting circuit, but right off the service panel. There's way more excitement near those things.
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