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  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:13 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-24 10:01 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-25 03:33 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 07:29 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 08:38 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 11:06 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 11:28 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:01 -0700
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:30 -0700
                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:37 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:54 -0700
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:26 -0700
                          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 13:34 -0700
                            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:50 -0700
                              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:03 -0700
                                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:50 -0700
                                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 15:12 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:20 -0700
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-25 21:04 -0400
                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-26 09:25 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-07-26 13:45 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-26 21:43 -0400
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 19:06 -0400
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:09 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 16:44 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:24 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-26 19:36 -0700
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 13:09 +0800
                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:42 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:54 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:03 +0000
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-28 14:16 -0700
                          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:29 -0700
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:59 -0400
                          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:32 -0400
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:27 -0700
                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:30 -0400
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 20:02 +0800
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:03 -0400
                          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 22:07 +0800
                            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:55 -0400
                            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-29 08:05 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-26 19:37 -0700
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-27 05:51 -0700
                    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-27 06:09 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:40 -0700
                      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:25 +0000
                        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:50 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 21:35 -0700
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:58 +0800
                  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-08-01 02:19 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 20:21 +0000
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 22:39 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:07 -0700

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#470721

On 2017-07-25 18:04, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:01:59 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-07-25 11:28, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:06:04 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-07-25 08:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:29:28 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many decades has it been since you read a US paper? Most are so
>>>>>> leftist by now that I just cancelled our morning paper. IMO it took a
>>>>>> real nosedive after the last election so I switched to the Wall Street
>>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> That's certainly a movement to the right ?>:-}
>>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> It sure is pricey but very good. I read for a whole hour after dinner
>>>> instead of the usual 10-15 minutes. I wouldn't know any US paper that
>>>> gets close.
>>>
>>> Don't hold your breath.  What annoys me is that more and more web
>>> 'newspapers' are going to all-video... no text :-(  I guess to appeal
>>> to the SJW/snowflake crowd who can't read.
>>> 		
>>
>> Not the WSJ. Supposedly the online offering is not as complete as the
>> paper but they told me it is. I am old-school and prefer a real paper.
>> That is chock-full of text, really good. Surprisingly little
>> advertizing. Some weird stuff, like the Turkish government just bought a
>> full page in all red to justify their recent "dissident" crackdowns. I
>> guess if they pay and there is nothing obscene is in it the WSJ must
>> take it.
>
> They don't have to but why not?


They'd get into very hot water if they started cherry-picking who can 
place an ad and who can't.


>                        ... It's good money and it is identified
> as paid content.  There is no pretense that the WSJ endorses any
> content.
>

That goes without saying for ads.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#470750

Den onsdag den 26. juli 2017 kl. 18.25.26 UTC+2 skrev Joerg:
> On 2017-07-25 18:04, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:01:59 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-07-25 11:28, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:06:04 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2017-07-25 08:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:29:28 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How many decades has it been since you read a US paper? Most are so
> >>>>>> leftist by now that I just cancelled our morning paper. IMO it took a
> >>>>>> real nosedive after the last election so I switched to the Wall Street
> >>>>>> Journal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's certainly a movement to the right ?>:-}
> >>>>> 	
> >>>>
> >>>> It sure is pricey but very good. I read for a whole hour after dinner
> >>>> instead of the usual 10-15 minutes. I wouldn't know any US paper that
> >>>> gets close.
> >>>
> >>> Don't hold your breath.  What annoys me is that more and more web
> >>> 'newspapers' are going to all-video... no text :-(  I guess to appeal
> >>> to the SJW/snowflake crowd who can't read.
> >>> 		
> >>
> >> Not the WSJ. Supposedly the online offering is not as complete as the
> >> paper but they told me it is. I am old-school and prefer a real paper.
> >> That is chock-full of text, really good. Surprisingly little
> >> advertizing. Some weird stuff, like the Turkish government just bought a
> >> full page in all red to justify their recent "dissident" crackdowns. I
> >> guess if they pay and there is nothing obscene is in it the WSJ must
> >> take it.
> >
> > They don't have to but why not?
> 
> 
> They'd get into very hot water if they started cherry-picking who can 
> place an ad and who can't.
> 
> 
> >                        ... It's good money and it is identified
> > as paid content.  There is no pretense that the WSJ endorses any
> > content.
> >
> 
> That goes without saying for ads.

it was WSJ that ran a smear campaign against youtube under the pretense
that advertising on youtube somehow means endorsing every video their ads 
might be show on 

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#470782

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:25:22 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-07-25 18:04, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:01:59 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-07-25 11:28, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:06:04 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-07-25 08:38, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:29:28 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many decades has it been since you read a US paper? Most are so
>>>>>>> leftist by now that I just cancelled our morning paper. IMO it took a
>>>>>>> real nosedive after the last election so I switched to the Wall Street
>>>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's certainly a movement to the right ?>:-}
>>>>>> 	
>>>>>
>>>>> It sure is pricey but very good. I read for a whole hour after dinner
>>>>> instead of the usual 10-15 minutes. I wouldn't know any US paper that
>>>>> gets close.
>>>>
>>>> Don't hold your breath.  What annoys me is that more and more web
>>>> 'newspapers' are going to all-video... no text :-(  I guess to appeal
>>>> to the SJW/snowflake crowd who can't read.
>>>> 		
>>>
>>> Not the WSJ. Supposedly the online offering is not as complete as the
>>> paper but they told me it is. I am old-school and prefer a real paper.
>>> That is chock-full of text, really good. Surprisingly little
>>> advertizing. Some weird stuff, like the Turkish government just bought a
>>> full page in all red to justify their recent "dissident" crackdowns. I
>>> guess if they pay and there is nothing obscene is in it the WSJ must
>>> take it.
>>
>> They don't have to but why not?
>
>
>They'd get into very hot water if they started cherry-picking who can 
>place an ad and who can't.


Why?  It's their paper.  They aren't a common carrier.  They're under
no obligation to be "fair", in any sense of the word.  I suppose you
think the NYT is criminal?
>
>
>>                        ... It's good money and it is identified
>> as paid content.  There is no pretense that the WSJ endorses any
>> content.
>>
>
>That goes without saying for ads.

If it's paid, it *is* an ad.  No more, no less.

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#470624

Joerg wrote on 7/25/2017 10:29 AM:
> On 2017-07-25 03:33, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 7:01:21 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-24 04:13, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 6:20:19 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-07-20 19:07, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>> OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/07/20/community-colleges-looking-to-drop-algebra-as-a-requirement-sounds-a-little-anti-science/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
> My jaw dropped when they did that. "Not enough kids can pass the test
>>>>> ... oh, let's just drop it then".
>>>>>
>>>>> Time for better schools, and certainly not the schools the
>>>>> unions want.
>>>>
>>>> Have you asked a union about that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not necessary. This says it all:
>>>
>>> http://calwatchdog.com/2012/10/22/new-law-dumbs-down-calif-math-performance/
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
> They'd love to see extra teachers hired to teach those classes more
>>>> intensively, and they'd be equally happy to see successful
>>>> teachers paid more for their capacity to get more kids to meet
>>>> the requirements.
>>>>
>>>> Unions are at least as much about getting better work conditions
>>>> and better productivity as they are about getting better pay for
>>>> the rank and file. They tend to be less interesed in getting
>>>> exceptional rewards for the exceptionally competent, mainly
>>>> because the exceptionally competent can usually do that for
>>>> themsselves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They usually care very little about the kids being educated. It's
>>> mostly about union dues and turf protection.
>>
>> That's what US newspapers say about them. The US as a whole is
>> uniquely anti-union for an advanced industrial country. ...
>
>
> How many decades has it been since you read a US paper? Most are so leftist
> by now that I just cancelled our morning paper. IMO it took a real nosedive
> after the last election so I switched to the Wall Street Journal.
>
>
>>                                                    ...  When I was
>> marginally involved with my trade union in the UK, one of the things
>> I did learn was that US-owned companies were pathologically nervous
>> of unions, and would make all kinds of concessions to avoid having to
>> negoatiate with unions.
>>
>
> Yeah, at the car mfgs they rolled over and played dead. That is why they are
> barely competitive anymore and had their lunch eaten by Asian and German mfgs.

Yes, of course, US auto makers had no control at all over the cars they 
designed and built.

Try reading "The Reckoning" by David Halberstam.  He contrasts the US and 
Japanese auto industries after WWII.  For sure the unions have a roll in the 
efficiency of US automaking but most of the problems are how the companies 
treat the employees.  Unions are simply workers' response over the decades 
to the way management has treated workers.


>> The German system of having trade union representatives on the
>> secondary boards of all large companies is not one that Americans can
>> actually comprehend.
>>
>> Real unions are interested in the welfare of the people they
>> represent, ...
>
>
> Exactly, and nobody else. They are not interested in the kids.

Workers don't have kids???  There is a lot you could learn about unions. 
They have even had benefit in companies that were never unionized.  Some 
employers have given benefits to workers in order to prevent unions from 
gaining a foothold.  Benefits the employees would never have seen had the 
unions not been on the doorstep.


>>  ... and that includes making their jobs as productive as
>> possible, in order to preserve them.
>>
>
> It does not. Which is why charter schools are generally more successfully
> than union-controlled public one. This is also one of the reasons why the
> manufacturing base in the US has eroded and continues to do so.

Yes, even though many unions are a fraction of their size at one time, their 
mere existence poses a threat to all US industry.  8-o


>> You should know more about it than most US residents ...
>>
>
> I know enough about it.

Is there nothing left to learn?  You must be a wise man indeed!

-- 

Rick C

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#470670

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 4:29:32 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-07-25 03:33, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 7:01:21 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
> >> On 2017-07-24 04:13, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> >>> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 6:20:19 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
> >>>> On 2017-07-20 19:07, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>>>> OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/07/20/community-colleges-looking-to-drop-algebra-as-a-requirement-sounds-a-little-anti-science/>
> >>>>>
> My jaw dropped when they did that. "Not enough kids can pass the test
> >>>> ... oh, let's just drop it then".
> >>>>
> >>>> Time for better schools, and certainly not the schools the
> >>>> unions want.
> >>>
> >>> Have you asked a union about that?
> >>
> >> Not necessary. This says it all:
> >>
> >> http://calwatchdog.com/2012/10/22/new-law-dumbs-down-calif-math-performance/
> >>
> They'd love to see extra teachers hired to teach those classes more
> >>> intensively, and they'd be equally happy to see successful
> >>> teachers paid more for their capacity to get more kids to meet
> >>> the requirements.
> >>>
> >>> Unions are at least as much about getting better work conditions
> >>> and better productivity as they are about getting better pay for
> >>> the rank and file. They tend to be less interesed in getting
> >>> exceptional rewards for the exceptionally competent, mainly
> >>> because the exceptionally competent can usually do that for
> >>> themsselves.
> >>
> >> They usually care very little about the kids being educated. It's
> >> mostly about union dues and turf protection.
> >
> > That's what US newspapers say about them. The US as a whole is
> > uniquely anti-union for an advanced industrial country. ...
> 
> How many decades has it been since you read a US paper?

I read bits of the Washington Post on-line from time to time.

> Most are so leftist by now that I just cancelled our morning paper.

That's not what European visitors to the US think.

> IMO it took a real nosedive after the last election so I switched to the Wall > Street Journal.

Which is owned by Rupert Murdoch - not exactly a leading left-winger, nor a leading light of ethical journalism.

> >                                                    ...  When I was
> > marginally involved with my trade union in the UK, one of the things
> > I did learn was that US-owned companies were pathologically nervous
> > of unions, and would make all kinds of concessions to avoid having to
> > negoatiate with unions.
> 
> Yeah, at the car mfgs they rolled over and played dead. That is why they 
> are barely competitive anymore and had their lunch eaten by Asian and 
> German mfgs.

They didn't have a lot of choice - the car industry was one of the few in the US that did get properly unionised. The choices that lead to the US car industry losing to European and Asian manufacturers didn't have much to do with trade union influence. The American industry were late in offering compact cars, and their marketing people misread their market with such enthusiasm that the first generation of US compact cars got bigger, and bigger year by year.

> > The German system of having trade union representatives on the
> > secondary boards of all large companies is not one that Americans can
> > actually comprehend.
> >
> > Real unions are interested in the welfare of the people they
> > represent, ... 
> 
> Exactly, and nobody else. They are not interested in the kids.

The kids are the product, and if somebody else is producing a better product, the unions just as screwed as everybody else. If chartered schools aren't hiring unionised teachers (and they don't seem to be)

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_grind/2016/09/the_lengths_that_charter_schools_go_to_when_their_teachers_try_to_form_unions.html

and deliver better education (as opposed to claiming to) the unions have exactly the kind of competition which forces them to take teacher performance seriously.
 
> >  ... and that includes making their jobs as productive as
> > possible, in order to preserve them.
> 
> It does not. Which is why charter schools are generally more 
> successfully than union-controlled public one. This is also one of the 
> reasons why the manufacturing base in the US has eroded and continues to 
> do so.

The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. Union are interested in raising the productivity of their members, but it isn't a proposition that US employers find interesting. Once China has followed Singapore and educated enough of its work-force to the point where they can earn higher wages, US employers may have to rethink their strategy.

> > You should know more about it than most US residents ...
> 
> I know enough about it.

Your confidence is being fed by anti-union propaganda from the Murdoch media.
Murdoch did a useful job in the UK in putting a stop to the ridiculous excesses of the print unions in some UK newspapers, but he's got a long history of throwing a lot of baby out with the bathwater.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#470770

>"The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. "

You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology, One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs". 

Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling. 

Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece. And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel. 

Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They built most of the  old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it. 

I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help. 

But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good engineers, projects are designed to fail. 

But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads, bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of the economy. 

The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read. 

But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton could have done nothing about it either.

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#470787

AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

>>"The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the
>>lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more
>>interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as
>>Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. "
> 
> You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology,
> One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany
> is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full
> time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years
> ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs".
> 
> Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on
> their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough
> hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older
> Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their
> house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling.
> 
> Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching
> about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a
> bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost
> every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of
> them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece.
> And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a
> coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel.
> 
> Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They
> built most of the  old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea
> how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a
> diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate
> that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control
> the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow
> sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine
> calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it.
> 
> I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to
> have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need
> to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help
> out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help.
> 
> But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that
> means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good
> engineers, projects are designed to fail.
> 
> But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra
> would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It
> is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to
> know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money
> isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads,
> bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of
> the economy.
> 
> The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work
> assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as
> production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory
> there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read.
> 
> But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he
> can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he
> can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the
> assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton
> could have done nothing about it either.

Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from?
Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week and 
most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies".

For me it is no wonder that the American school system is failing when more 
and more religious nonsense if taught instead of science.

-- 
Reinhardt

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#470789

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:24:58 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
<rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:

>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>"The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the
>>>lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more
>>>interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as
>>>Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. "
>> 
>> You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology,
>> One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany
>> is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full
>> time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years
>> ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs".
>> 
>> Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on
>> their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough
>> hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older
>> Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their
>> house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling.
>> 
>> Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching
>> about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a
>> bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost
>> every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of
>> them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece.
>> And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a
>> coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel.
>> 
>> Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They
>> built most of the  old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea
>> how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a
>> diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate
>> that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control
>> the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow
>> sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine
>> calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it.
>> 
>> I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to
>> have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need
>> to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help
>> out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help.
>> 
>> But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that
>> means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good
>> engineers, projects are designed to fail.
>> 
>> But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra
>> would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It
>> is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to
>> know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money
>> isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads,
>> bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of
>> the economy.
>> 
>> The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work
>> assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as
>> production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory
>> there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read.
>> 
>> But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he
>> can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he
>> can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the
>> assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton
>> could have done nothing about it either.
>
>Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from?
>Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week and 
>most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies".
>
>For me it is no wonder that the American school system is failing when more 
>and more religious nonsense if taught instead of science.

Where do you get that "religious nonsense"?  That's BS!  jurb6006 is
more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
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| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
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             I'm looking for work... see my website.

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#470912

AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote:

> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"?  That's BS!  jurb6006 is
> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs.
> 
> ...Jim Thompson

What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit 
established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like 
intelligent design and other idiocy.
Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that might 
offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake.
This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the freedom 
to force ones own religious ideas upon others. 

With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he 
thinks to have once read "on the internet".

-- 
Reinhardt

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#470915

>"With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he
thinks to have once read "on the internet". "

It is not all from the internet. I have been reading since about 5 years old. That was books, real books. Not some guy with ten bucks a month for web hosting. Seriously, when I was a kid, when birthdays and Christmas came up, I did not want toys, I wanted books. 

Insane ? Perhaps by today's 1984ish standards. I advocate eugenics (not forced), and though conservative in nature abortion. i think there should be abortomats, like McDonald's, on almost every thrid streetcorner. 

I am starting to agree with some socialistic ideas, which I abhor. but I see the necessity for it. I also see we are a country f outlaws, so I advocate law abiding Citizens carrying guns. So many that a criminal would not try anything. And I want it illegal to teach any religion in a public school. 

Neither party supports all my views on this. Why is that ? It seems almost as if they are designed specifically to keep us divided. It seems to be working. Some people are bitching about Trump all day, others are bitching about Clinton or whatever.

We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT. Show me the IP from where the malicious code got into multiple states voting machines. Decompile it and post it. You can't because it never fucking happened. What was the IP address it came from ? They can't even tell you that. All they got is he said she said. 

People do not think, they do not want to. Hell, I am getting to that point. Why bother, nobody else does.

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#470947

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 7:42:47 AM UTC+2, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >"With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he
> thinks to have once read "on the internet". "
> 
> It is not all from the internet. I have been reading since about 5 years old. That was books, real books. Not some guy with ten bucks a month for web hosting. Seriously, when I was a kid, when birthdays and Christmas came up, I did not want toys, I wanted books. 

Hitler liked books too. Sadly, you can find just as much nonsense in printed books as you can find on the internet. Hitler certainly did.
 
> Insane ? Perhaps by today's 1984ish standards. I advocate eugenics (not forced), and though conservative in nature abortion. i think there should be abortomats, like McDonald's, on almost every thrid streetcorner. 
> 
> I am starting to agree with some socialistic ideas, which I abhor. but I see the necessity for it. I also see we are a country of outlaws, so I advocate law abiding Citizens carrying guns. So many that a criminal would not try anything. And I want it illegal to teach any religion in a public school. 
> 
> Neither party supports all my views on this. Why is that ? It seems almost as if they are designed specifically to keep us divided. It seems to be working. Some people are bitching about Trump all day, others are bitching about Clinton or whatever.

The US electoral system depends on single member electorates, which pretty much guarantees a two party system. Proportional represetation allows more parties to get a useful number of representatives into parliament, which leads to coalition governments. No party ever gets everything that they want, but the compromises that get worked out are worked out by rational discussion between people who know what they are talking about, seem to keep the electorate a good deal happier than two party systems can manage. 

> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT. Show me the IP from where the malicious code got into multiple states voting machines. Decompile it and post it. You can't because it never fucking happened. What was the IP address it came from ? They can't even tell you that. All they got is he said she said. 

The Russians didn't hack the election. They merely served up election propaganda that favoured Trump over Clinton - they knew that Clinton had been an effective Foreign Secretary and they knew that Trump didn't have a hope of being anything like as effective, and that his ignorance would cripple whoever he appointed as Foreign Secretary.

> People do not think, they do not want to. Hell, I am getting to that point. Why bother, nobody else does.

John Larkin isn't typical.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#471008

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:

> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
> trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
> it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.

There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with 
some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession 
with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely 
for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's 
outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections. 
These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of 
business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have 
the audacity to defend them.

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#471009

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:03:23 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
>
>> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
>> trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
>> it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.
>
>There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with 
>some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession 
>with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely 
>for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's 
>outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections. 
>These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of 
>business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have 
>the audacity to defend them.

Slowman!  Slowman!  Be sure to spell his name correctly... it is so
fitting >:-}
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |

             I'm looking for work... see my website.

Thinking outside the box...producing elegant & economic solutions.

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#471299

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:16:40 PM UTC+2, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:03:23 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
> <curd@notformail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> >
> >> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
> >> trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
> >> it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.
> >
> >There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with 
> >some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession 
> >with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely 
> >for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's 
> >outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections. 
> >These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of 
> >business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have 
> >the audacity to defend them.
> 
> Slowman!  Slowman!  Be sure to spell his name correctly... it is so
> fitting >:-}

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson in fine form. Of course he never posts under his full name.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#471012

Cursitor Doom wrote on 7/28/2017 5:03 PM:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
>
>> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
>> trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
>> it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.
>
> There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with
> some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession
> with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely
> for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's
> outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections.
> These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of
> business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have
> the audacity to defend them.

"Covert" footage, "some" CNN big shot and "some" under-cover journalist. 
You have quite the detailed memory.

-- 

Rick C

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#471059

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:59:23 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>Cursitor Doom wrote on 7/28/2017 5:03 PM:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
>>
>>> We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
>>> trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
>>> it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.
>>
>> There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with
>> some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession
>> with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely
>> for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's
>> outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections.
>> These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of
>> business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have
>> the audacity to defend them.
>
>"Covert" footage, "some" CNN big shot and "some" under-cover journalist. 
>You have quite the detailed memory.

Google "Project Veritas", moron.

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#471298

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:07:34 PM UTC+2, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:42:39 -0700, jurb6006 wrote:
> 
> > We need to get together and have a new party, a candidate that can be
> > trusted. But media and all this distraction is keeping people from doing
> > it. the Russians hacked the election, BULLSHIT.
> 
> There's some covert footage of some big-shot at CNN out to dinner with 
> some under-cover journalist who quizzes him about the network's obsession 
> with Russia and the CNN guy brazenly admits it's *all made up* largely 
> for ratings purposes. What a bunch of lying cunts they are. It's 
> outrageous that this sort of bullshit can decide elections. 
> These fake news outfits like CNN, MSNBC & the BBC need to be put out of 
> business. Only hard-core Marxist-Anarchists like Bill Sloman still have 
> the audacity to defend them.

Trust Cursitor Doom to get things wrong. I'm a simple socialist - and think that the socialist movement did the right thing when it eject Karl Marx in 1870 for his undemocratic ideas.

I'm not unsympathetic to Anarcho-Syndicalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

but free-market socialism - as it now works in Scandinavia and Germany - seems to be working quite well enough to make more radical reorganisation unattractive. Naom Chomsky and Naomi Klein might differ.

Cursitor Doom is merely a gullible half-wit, so that kind of fine distinction can be expected to escape him. His ideas are often repulsive, but it's his ignorance and gullibility that presents the real problem.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#471058

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:09:34 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
<rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:

>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"?  That's BS!  jurb6006 is
>> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs.
>> 
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit 
>established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like 
>intelligent design and other idiocy.

You mean like the LGBTQRS "choose your sex of the day" idiocy?

>Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that might 
>offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake.
>This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the freedom 
>to force ones own religious ideas upon others. 

Utter nonsense.
>
>With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he 
>thinks to have once read "on the internet".

What does jurb have to do with Florida?

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#471094

AT Saturday 29 July 2017 10:30, krw@notreal.com wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:09:34 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
> <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"?  That's BS!  jurb6006 is
>>> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs.
>>> 
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit
>>established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like
>>intelligent design and other idiocy.
> 
> You mean like the LGBTQRS "choose your sex of the day" idiocy?
> 
>>Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that
>>might offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake.
>>This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the
>>freedom to force ones own religious ideas upon others.
> 
> Utter nonsense.
>>
>>With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he
>>thinks to have once read "on the internet".
> 
> What does jurb have to do with Florida?

Did I indicate any connection between jurb and Florida? Your skills in 
comprehensive reading seem to be a bit limited.

-- 
Reinhardt

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#471102

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:02:46 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
<rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:

>AT Saturday 29 July 2017 10:30, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:09:34 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
>> <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"?  That's BS!  jurb6006 is
>>>> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs.
>>>> 
>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>>What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit
>>>established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like
>>>intelligent design and other idiocy.
>> 
>> You mean like the LGBTQRS "choose your sex of the day" idiocy?
>> 
>>>Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that
>>>might offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake.
>>>This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the
>>>freedom to force ones own religious ideas upon others.
>> 
>> Utter nonsense.
>>>
>>>With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he
>>>thinks to have once read "on the internet".
>> 
>> What does jurb have to do with Florida?
>
>Did I indicate any connection between jurb and Florida? Your skills in 
>comprehensive reading seem to be a bit limited.

Your writing isn't any better than jurb's.  

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