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Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:13 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-24 10:01 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-25 03:33 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 07:29 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 08:38 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 11:06 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 11:28 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:01 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:30 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:37 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:54 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:26 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 13:34 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:03 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 14:19 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 15:12 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:20 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-25 21:04 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-26 09:25 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-07-26 13:45 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-26 21:43 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 19:06 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:09 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 16:44 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:24 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-26 19:36 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 13:09 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:42 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:54 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:03 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-28 14:16 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:29 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:59 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:32 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:27 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:30 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 20:02 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:03 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 22:07 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:55 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-29 08:05 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-26 19:37 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-27 05:51 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-27 06:09 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:40 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:25 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:50 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 21:35 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:58 +0800
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-08-01 02:19 -0700
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 20:21 +0000
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 22:39 -0400
Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:07 -0700
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| From | Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-29 22:07 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <oli4j0$2t4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #471102 |
AT Saturday 29 July 2017 22:03, krw@notreal.com wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:02:46 +0800, Reinhardt Behm > <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote: > >>AT Saturday 29 July 2017 10:30, krw@notreal.com wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:09:34 +0800, Reinhardt Behm >>> <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"? That's BS! jurb6006 is >>>>> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs. >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>>>What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit >>>>established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like >>>>intelligent design and other idiocy. >>> >>> You mean like the LGBTQRS "choose your sex of the day" idiocy? >>> >>>>Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that >>>>might offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake. >>>>This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the >>>>freedom to force ones own religious ideas upon others. >>> >>> Utter nonsense. >>>> >>>>With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he >>>>thinks to have once read "on the internet". >>> >>> What does jurb have to do with Florida? >> >>Did I indicate any connection between jurb and Florida? Your skills in >>comprehensive reading seem to be a bit limited. > > Your writing isn't any better than jurb's. To complicated for you? -- Reinhardt
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-29 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <id8pncl7uuk2oqk6iue12fn2srpu2hljsv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #471103 |
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:07:14 +0800, Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote: >AT Saturday 29 July 2017 22:03, krw@notreal.com wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:02:46 +0800, Reinhardt Behm >> <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote: >> >>>AT Saturday 29 July 2017 10:30, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:09:34 +0800, Reinhardt Behm >>>> <rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>AT Thursday 27 July 2017 10:36, Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where do you get that "religious nonsense"? That's BS! jurb6006 is >>>>>> more insane than bitrex, Slowman or bloggs. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>>> >>>>>What I hear from believable sources there is a large trend to discredit >>>>>established scientific facts and teach religious nonsense instead like >>>>>intelligent design and other idiocy. >>>> >>>> You mean like the LGBTQRS "choose your sex of the day" idiocy? >>>> >>>>>Florida gives any moron the right to complain about topics taught that >>>>>might offend the "religious feelings" of this snowflake. >>>>>This seems to go as "religious freedom" with the meaning to have the >>>>>freedom to force ones own religious ideas upon others. >>>> >>>> Utter nonsense. >>>>> >>>>>With jurb6006's insanity you might be correct. He posts any nonsense he >>>>>thinks to have once read "on the internet". >>>> >>>> What does jurb have to do with Florida? >>> >>>Did I indicate any connection between jurb and Florida? Your skills in >>>comprehensive reading seem to be a bit limited. >> >> Your writing isn't any better than jurb's. > >To complicated for you? No, you're too stupid to answer a direct question. You have no answer, obviously.
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| From | Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-29 08:05 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #471103 |
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:07:14 +0800, Reinhardt Behm
<rbehm@hushmail.com> wrote:
>AT Saturday 29 July 2017 22:03, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>
[snip]
>>
>> Your writing isn't any better than jurb's.
>
>To complicated for you?
No! Just TOO funny >:-}
...Jim Thompson
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| From | Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-26 19:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <olbjcr$b8k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470787 |
On 7/26/2017 7:24 PM, Reinhardt Behm wrote: > AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: > >>> "The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the >>> lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more >>> interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as >>> Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. " >> >> You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology, >> One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany >> is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full >> time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years >> ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs". >> >> Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on >> their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough >> hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older >> Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their >> house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling. >> >> Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching >> about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a >> bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost >> every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of >> them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece. >> And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a >> coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel. >> >> Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They >> built most of the old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea >> how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a >> diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate >> that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control >> the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow >> sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine >> calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it. >> >> I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to >> have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need >> to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help >> out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help. >> >> But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that >> means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good >> engineers, projects are designed to fail. >> >> But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra >> would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It >> is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to >> know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money >> isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads, >> bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of >> the economy. >> >> The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work >> assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as >> production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory >> there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read. >> >> But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he >> can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he >> can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the >> assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton >> could have done nothing about it either. > > Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? > Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week and > most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies". Apparently Germany is in need of more workers, so they are bringing in muzzies like there is no tomorrow. Sadly, they will soon realize that is true!
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| From | bill.sloman@ieee.org |
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| Date | 2017-07-27 05:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2acc3c92-40d2-48a4-8c48-c65b7bbcfd83@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #470790 |
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:37:08 AM UTC+2, Taxed and Spent wrote: > On 7/26/2017 7:24 PM, Reinhardt Behm wrote: > > AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>> "The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the > >>> lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more > >>> interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as > >>> Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. " > >> > >> You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology, > >> One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany > >> is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full > >> time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years > >> ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs". > >> > >> Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on > >> their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough > >> hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older > >> Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their > >> house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling. > >> > >> Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching > >> about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a > >> bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost > >> every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of > >> them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece. > >> And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a > >> coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel. > >> > >> Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They > >> built most of the old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea > >> how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a > >> diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate > >> that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control > >> the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow > >> sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine > >> calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it. > >> > >> I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to > >> have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need > >> to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help > >> out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help. > >> > >> But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that > >> means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good > >> engineers, projects are designed to fail. > >> > >> But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra > >> would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It > >> is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to > >> know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money > >> isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads, > >> bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of > >> the economy. > >> > >> The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work > >> assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as > >> production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory > >> there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read. > >> > >> But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he > >> can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he > >> can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the > >> assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton > >> could have done nothing about it either. > > > > Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? > > Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week and > > most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies". > > Apparently Germany is in need of more workers, so they are bringing in > muzzies like there is no tomorrow. Sadly, they will soon realize that > is true! In Taxed and Spent's dreams. Germay has been taking in guest workers from Turkey for many decades now. Give Muslims a western job and a a western life-style and they end up looking remarkably like every other westerner. I worked with enough of them in England and the Netherlands to be able to attest to that on the basis of personal experience, but there's plenty of other evidence around. Right wing lunatics have always had silly ideas about the evil consequences of immigration - the immigrants that excite their anxieties change with time, but the threat they pose always seems to be the same. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-27 06:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <olcoeo$etf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470828 |
On 7/27/2017 5:51 AM, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: > On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:37:08 AM UTC+2, Taxed and Spent wrote: >> On 7/26/2017 7:24 PM, Reinhardt Behm wrote: >>> AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>>> "The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the >>>>> lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more >>>>> interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as >>>>> Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. " >>>> >>>> You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology, >>>> One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany >>>> is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full >>>> time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years >>>> ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs". >>>> >>>> Most of them who are not engineers or something cannot afford to live on >>>> their own and are forced to take on roomies, because they don't get enough >>>> hours to pay the rent on their own and make all their other bills. Older >>>> Germans who have a really good skill set and have probably paid off their >>>> house are alright, but the younger ones are struggling. >>>> >>>> Financially they are not doing all that bad, and they are not bitching >>>> about the Chinese taking their jobs. They still build alot of car parts, a >>>> bit less than before nut still alot of them. At one time they made almost >>>> every fuel injector for cars in the world. There was one to sixteen of >>>> them in every car built in (most of) the world, at about maybe $15 apiece. >>>> And all they are is a cone shaped orifice with a little ball in it and a >>>> coil of wire. But it needs precision and that's where the Germans excel. >>>> >>>> Bosch, one of their main companies, has been around for some time. They >>>> built most of the old mechanical fuel injection systems. Have any idea >>>> how hard that is ? It is harder for a gas engine than a diesel. For a >>>> diesel all you needed was that high pressure unit with the swash plate >>>> that was controlled by the accelerator pedal. With gas you need to control >>>> the mixture. They has a vane in the intake, somewhat like a mass air flow >>>> sensor, and it is mechanically coupled to the injectors. Imagine >>>> calibrating a nightmare like that. But they did it. >>>> >>>> I will have to admit that because of automation, the world is going to >>>> have to be more socialistic. I don't like it but it is inevitable. We need >>>> to have a stipend for people, and if they are able bodied they can help >>>> out with the infrastructure, and the US infrastructure needs help. >>>> >>>> But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that >>>> means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good >>>> engineers, projects are designed to fail. >>>> >>>> But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra >>>> would fail. They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It >>>> is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to >>>> know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money >>>> isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads, >>>> bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of >>>> the economy. >>>> >>>> The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. China might pick up some work >>>> assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as >>>> production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory >>>> there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read. >>>> >>>> But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he >>>> can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he >>>> can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the >>>> assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton >>>> could have done nothing about it either. >>> >>> Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? >>> Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week and >>> most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies". >> >> Apparently Germany is in need of more workers, so they are bringing in >> muzzies like there is no tomorrow. Sadly, they will soon realize that >> is true! > > In Taxed and Spent's dreams. Germay has been taking in guest workers from Turkey for many decades now. Give Muslims a western job and a a western life-style and they end up looking remarkably like every other westerner. I worked with enough of them in England and the Netherlands to be able to attest to that on the basis of personal experience, but there's plenty of other evidence around. > > Right wing lunatics have always had silly ideas about the evil consequences of immigration - the immigrants that excite their anxieties change with time, but the threat they pose always seems to be the same. > I agree IF you give them a job. But there are plenty of unemployed rabble rousers, perhaps less so in Germany.
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| From | bill.sloman@ieee.org |
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| Date | 2017-07-28 06:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c6f11bec-4c76-4b1f-9ecf-da9713b48aa8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #470832 |
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 3:09:36 PM UTC+2, Taxed and Spent wrote: > On 7/27/2017 5:51 AM, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: > > On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:37:08 AM UTC+2, Taxed and Spent wrote: > >> On 7/26/2017 7:24 PM, Reinhardt Behm wrote: > >>> AT Thursday 27 July 2017 07:44, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: <snip> > > In Taxed and Spent's dreams. Germay has been taking in guest workers from Turkey for many decades now. Give Muslims a western job and a a western life-style and they end up looking remarkably like every other westerner. I worked with enough of them in England and the Netherlands to be able to attest to that on the basis of personal experience, but there's plenty of other evidence around. > > > > Right wing lunatics have always had silly ideas about the evil consequences of immigration - the immigrants that excite their anxieties change with time, but the threat they pose always seems to be the same. > > I agree IF you give them a job. But there are plenty of unemployed > rabble rousers, perhaps less so in Germany. You don't give people jobs. Employers do that. If you spend money on training people, employers are frequently more interested in hiring the people who have been trained, than they would have been if they'd have had to train them themselves. I've never noticed a superfluity of rabble rousers - unemployed or otherwise. Before you can rouse a rabble, the rabble has to be seriously unhappy about something, and can usually find somebody who can both articulate their discontent and is peeved enough, or foolhardy enough, to stick their head far enough above the parapet to do it and get noticed. As a job descripition, "rabble-rouser" isn't popular. "Community Organser", or "career politician" is perhaps as close as you can get without running the risk of being sued. I had an interesting discussion - many years ago - with my ex-sister-in-law about a bunch of people in Australia who weren't getting the service they should have got from the local bureaucrats and needed some unobtrusive tutoring on the mechanisms for making their dissatisfaction obvious to the newspapers without leaving any room for the newspapers to depict them as rioters. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-28 21:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <olga3k$ea$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470832 |
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 06:09:31 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: > I agree IF you give them a job. But there are plenty of unemployed > rabble rousers, perhaps less so in Germany. No shortage whatsoever of unemployed (and unemployable) rabble rousers in Germany! Did you not see the vast wreckage these scumbags left behind in Hamburg the other day? There was a veritable army of the bastards hell- bent on destruction; the Hamburg police couldn't cope with it and had to call on reinforcements from not only from within Germany but as far afield as Austria! This is the future we have to look forward to thanks to the kind of thinking espoused by the likes of Bill Sloman.
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| From | whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-28 17:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2d3fa44f-9998-4e5f-8eef-7bdac92d7313@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471010 |
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote: > No shortage whatsoever of unemployed (and unemployable) rabble rousers in > Germany! Did you not see the vast wreckage these scumbags left behind in > Hamburg the other day? Dude, you were looking at Berlin after WWII; those captions just got pasted on in photoshop. The RAF does not approve of the 'scumbag' nickname. I'm sure there's a German translation, though, that's tried and true.
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| From | jurb6006@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-27 21:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9591722c-e8b3-4a24-8b4b-308b3e9e0cb1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #470787 |
>"Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? " The internet of course. I find it difficult to confirm though. I also read that ten years ago they went to a four day work week. Can't seem to find that either. >"For me it is no wonder that the American school system is failing when more and more religious nonsense if taught instead of science. " From what I am hearing that is mostly in the southern, Bible belt states. Up north they seem to teach nothing. "This Is Are Story" is a perfect example. Schools do not belong teaching religion. Catholic schools have no problem with it, the science teacher teaches science and the religion teacher teaches religion. They get along just fine. The difference here is that they do not use public money to do it. These people in the south want the public schools to teach that en walked with dinosaurs and the Earth is 6,000 years old. I wouldn't let you teach my kids that. And then we got the geeral incompetence. I corresponded with a Woman who was making dinner or whatever and her teenager saw a reference to the equator on TV. She asked her Mother what the equator is. Being a teenager, her Mother thought she should already know that. She goes down to the school and grills the science teacher. The science teacher does not know what the equator is. She goes to the principal, and the principal does not know what the equator is. The government just keeps on throwing money at these incompetent people. How can you teach what you do not know ? I admit that I am remiss on geography and could not find most countries on a globe or map, but people are getting way stupider than that. You know, I am not against unions. In fact I support trade unions, the kind of union that provides training and all that. But the teacher's union is nothing but a labor union, designed to protect the incompetent. If you are found incompetent by a trade union you get thrown out. With a labor union it is different. You could kill a busload of people and they would fight for you to keep your job. There is a BIG difference. Big business has had its attack dog on labor unions for a long time, but never attacked where they should - government workers. Look at the police union(s). Kill someone get a free vacation. And the police union, as far as I know, does not provide training and all that like the plumber's union, the electrician's union and the masonry union. Enough.
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| From | Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-28 12:58 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <oleg30$kd1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470908 |
AT Friday 28 July 2017 12:35, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote: >>"Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? " > > The internet of course. I find it difficult to confirm though. I also read > that ten years ago they went to a four day work week. Can't seem to find > that either. The internet, of course. Did it ever come to your mind your source might be incorrect? About four day work week: I lived in Germany for 60 years, there was no general four day work week. There once was a car maker (VW) who reduced their work week because of not enough work. This happened only for a short time. You should research the credibility of your "internet" sources before posting such nonsense. -- Reinhardt
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| From | Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-01 02:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <AIXfB.224683$qL3.85137@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #470908 |
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>> "Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from?"
>
> The internet of course. I find it difficult to confirm though. I also read that ten years ago they went to a four day work week. Can't seem to find that either.
>
>> "For me it is no wonder that the American school system is failing when more and more religious nonsense if taught instead of science."
>
> From what I am hearing that is mostly in the southern, Bible belt states. Up north they seem to teach nothing. "This Is Are Story" is a perfect example.
>
> Schools do not belong teaching religion. Catholic schools have no problem with it, the science teacher teaches science and the religion teacher teaches religion. They get along just fine.
>
> The difference here is that they do not use public money to do it. These people in the south want the public schools to teach that en walked with dinosaurs and the Earth is 6,000 years old. I wouldn't let you teach my kids that.
>
> And then we got the geeral incompetence. I corresponded with a Woman who was making dinner or whatever and her teenager saw a reference to the equator on TV. She asked her Mother what the equator is. Being a teenager, her Mother thought she should already know that.
>
> She goes down to the school and grills the science teacher. The science teacher does not know what the equator is. She goes to the principal, and the principal does not know what the equator is.
>
> The government just keeps on throwing money at these incompetent people. How can you teach what you do not know ?
>
> I admit that I am remiss on geography and could not find most countries on a globe or map, but people are getting way stupider than that.
>
> You know, I am not against unions. In fact I support trade unions, the kind of union that provides training and all that. But the teacher's union is nothing but a labor union, designed to protect the incompetent. If you are found incompetent by a trade union you get thrown out. With a labor union it is different. You could kill a busload of people and they would fight for you to keep your job. There is a BIG difference.
>
> Big business has had its attack dog on labor unions for a long time, but never attacked where they should - government workers. Look at the police union(s). Kill someone get a free vacation. And the police union, as far as I know, does not provide training and all that like the plumber's union, the electrician's union and the masonry union.
>
> Enough.
>
But...but...motorbutt.
Plumbers, electrcians, and masonry trades are WORKERS..
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| From | Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-28 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <olg6bq$ea$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470787 |
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:24:58 +0800, Reinhardt Behm wrote: > Where did you you get this nonsense information about Germany from? > Most Germans have full time jobs and are working the standard 40h/week > and most can easily live on their own and don't have to take "roomies". It depends heavily on where you live in Germany. Accommodation is cheap and plentiful in places like Berlin but less so in other large cities. Hamburg costs more and IIRC Munich is about the most expensive city (Bavaria being the most expensive and affluent region). You can go cheapest in the north east of the country; there's some amazing value there like Rostock and the district of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern more widely.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-26 22:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <olbjhk$c14$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #470770 |
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote on 7/26/2017 7:44 PM: >> "The manufacturing base in the US is eroding because US capital wants the lowest possible wages, and finds them outside the US. If they were more interested in investing in increasing the productivity of US workers (as Germany does with German workers) the story would be different. " > > You seem to be missing a few facts. First of all, with modern technology, One can do the work of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Well Germany is finding out. They are so productive that there are practically no full time jobs there, even though they cut dow to a shorter work week years ago. Germans are calling their jobs "McJobs". I think that means the Germans would become 10 times more productive. Somehow people see automation as eliminating jobs. That would only be true if there was limited demand for goods. But demand always fills in to take up the slack as long as the benefits of automation are shared equally. Instead of thinking of production being a universal constant, think of human resource as the limitation and you will see automation simply makes things cheaper so more can afford the fruits. I don't know of anything in my life that hasn't been better than in my parents days... in spite of the prognostications of the economists who some decades ago were saying the limitations of natural resources would be forcing us to live lower on the ladder than our parents. <...snip...> > But finding the skilled will not be easy. Our schools are failing and that means we are going to have trouble finding good engineers. Without good engineers, projects are designed to fail. Failing? Really? I don't know how we lasted this long???!!! > But we cannot trust the government here. I believe they knew Solyndra would fail. Not interested in discussing your paranoid delusions. > They just wanted to channel some tax money to some friends. It is almost impossible for everybody involved in that whole debacle not to know the market and that they could not compete in it. If private money isn't in it, it isn't worth doing unless it is infrastructure. Roads, bridges and such. We lose money on that, but it supports what's left of the economy. > > The jobs are not coming back to anywhere. Back *from* where? We didn't lose jobs overseas as much as we did to automation. Many decades ago we had the same problem where the Japanese recovered from WWII by building a new steel industry using modern processes that made steel cheaper and better. The US steel industry chose to shut down rather than invest and remain competitive. We didn't lose to Japan, we lost to time and technology and we did it willingly. > China might pick up some work assembling cellphones n shit like TVs. But even they will suffer as production increases. They already lick your ass to bring in a new factory there. Look up "Confessions Of An Economic Hitman". It's not a long read. > > But there are no jobs to bring back. Trump doesn't realize that, but if he can get us back in the loop somewhat that would be good. I am not sure he can. He's a rich boy and does not understand certain things. I hope the assholes who voted for Clinton are enjoying this. (they aren't)But Clinton could have done nothing about it either. I think Trump has his limitation, but I don't think he isn't smart. He knows the jobs are there to be had. But he really understands marketing his brand so he will say what he needs to say. -- Rick C
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| From | jurb6006@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-27 22:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <90bb8ac8-a038-4468-855f-888d1ae80dfb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #470791 |
>"I think Trump has his limitation, but I don't think he isn't smart." He has brains, but lacks the skill set to do the job. He probably has the brains not to invest in Solyndra. But most of his life is dealing with golf courses and hotels, shit like that. This has not well prepared him for this job. Actually I heard he was thinking of resigning. The liberals think they would love this but then they get Pence. Fucking idiots, you are better off with what you got now. All the Gays and kinksters seem to be liberals and are don Trump's throat, but don't they realize that if they get rid of him, who really doesn't have a problem with them, they get Pence who does ? Offing Trump, one way or the other does not get your beloved Hillary in. They keep bringing up impeachment, not knowing that it simply cannot be done without proper grounds. And they ignore one of the most important things on right now. There is an apparently vetoproof bill they have that would make supporting BDS illegal and they could put you away for twenty years over it. It was number one on AIPAC's list, and they lobbied and lobbied, that means bribed. They are gong to FORCE your mutual fund to do business with Israel. They might even force you. And AIPAC has them so loaded up with money that it looks like it is vetoproof. Though Trump would probably sign it anyway. Is this the kind of government you want ? You cannot support an organization that removes itself from a regime that is in violation of over 100 UN sanctions, that is into genocide. that steals from us, spies on us and tries to implicate us in false flag operations ? You are required to do business with them ? Invest in their companies whether you want to or not ? You think it is bad ? You do not know the half of it. And the US is buying friends on credit. Propping up the Saud regime for one, that family would hang for days out in public if the People of that country had their say. If not for US QME Israel would have been a thing of the past decades ago. We put Saddam in power, as well as the Shah of Iran, and that has really backfired making that country back into a theocracy. Not to forget the shit the US did in South America. War Is A Racket, look it up. I want a non-interventionalist policy, but it looks like I will never get it. This is what the founders of this country professed, stay out of foreign entanglements. And as much as you might not like it, we should have picked our own cotton. Call me a racist, call me what you want, but that is the truth.
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