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Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols?

Started by"Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com>
First post2017-05-22 03:02 -0500
Last post2017-05-31 17:53 -0400
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  Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-22 03:02 -0500
    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-22 03:51 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 08:26 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-22 21:23 -0500
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-23 14:07 +1000
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-23 12:00 -0400
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-24 08:48 +1000
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-23 16:53 -0700
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 17:22 -0700
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 17:55 -0700
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 11:48 -0700
                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 12:39 -0700
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-28 16:02 +1000
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:46 -0500
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 11:56 -0700
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 12:43 -0700
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 21:18 -0700
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-23 03:36 -0500
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-23 07:31 -0700
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-23 20:02 -0400
                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-23 21:07 -0700
                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-24 18:50 -0400
    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-05-22 06:25 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-22 07:13 -0700
    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 08:21 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-05-23 00:07 -0400
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-22 21:22 -0700
    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-25 10:40 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-25 18:03 +0000
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 14:41 -0400
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-26 09:07 -0500
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-26 14:24 +0000
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 08:38 -0700
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 10:08 -0700
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 10:19 -0700
                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 12:15 -0700
                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 12:29 -0700
                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 13:41 -0700
                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 16:21 -0700
                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-26 19:05 -0700
                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-26 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:58 -0700
                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-27 06:13 -0500
                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-27 05:51 -0700
                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 12:11 -0400
                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-27 10:12 -0700
                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 13:25 -0400
                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 12:13 -0700
                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:57 -0500
                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 21:14 +0100
                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-27 19:24 -0700
                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-28 07:50 +0000
                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 04:55 -0700
                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-28 17:57 +0000
                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 19:53 -0700
                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 20:15 -0700
                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 08:04 -0500
                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-27 21:32 -0700
                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 04:13 -0700
                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 06:29 -0700
                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 06:46 -0700
                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 07:19 -0700
                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:18 -0700
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 09:34 -0700
                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:44 -0700
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 09:49 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 09:59 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 10:36 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 10:58 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 12:07 -0700
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 13:22 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 13:06 -0400
                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 12:26 -0700
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 13:19 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-05-28 13:44 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 13:49 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 14:05 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 14:10 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 16:22 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-28 19:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 18:41 -0700
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 00:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-29 05:22 -0700
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-29 07:50 -0700
                                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-30 07:44 +1000
                                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-29 18:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:25 +0000
                                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 15:32 +0000
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 15:14 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-30 17:05 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 17:33 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 18:53 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-30 22:04 -0400
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-31 10:11 -0400
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 10:27 -0400
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-05-31 10:39 -0400
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:25 -0700
                                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 08:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:50 -0700
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 22:34 -0400
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-05-31 15:50 +0100
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 22:38 -0400
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:19 -0700
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-30 21:36 -0700
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-31 16:01 +1000
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:46 -0400
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-30 21:56 -0400
                                                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-31 05:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 09:03 -0400
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-31 07:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 10:30 -0400
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:38 -0700
                                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:21 +0000
                                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2017-05-31 17:00 +0200
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 08:14 -0700
                                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-31 08:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:49 -0400
                                        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-28 14:30 -0700
                                          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-05-28 15:14 -0700
                                            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 15:25 -0700
                                              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-28 16:23 -0700
                                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 08:03 -0500
                                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-30 15:18 -0700
                                      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-30 23:27 -0500
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 12:33 -0400
          Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-26 10:14 -0700
            Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-27 06:10 -0500
              Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-27 08:11 -0700
                Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-28 07:53 -0500
                  Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-05-28 08:06 -0700
                    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 12:13 -0400
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-27 16:38 -0700
    Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 09:37 -0700
      Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-05-31 13:50 -0500
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-05-31 12:12 -0700
        Re: Can we PLEASE stop using these shitty symbols? krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-31 17:53 -0400

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#462443

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:31 -0700
Message-ID<pcoticterlkfhh16fpibdm9vdtn86m37qf@4ax.com>
In reply to#462442
On Wed, 31 May 2017 08:25:20 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2017 10:39:24 -0400, Phil Hobbs
><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>>On 05/31/2017 10:27 AM, rickman wrote:

[snip]
>>> 
>>> No one is saying there is no such thing as beauty.  The point is that
>>> the definition of beauty depends on many factors.  It is not an absolute.
>>
>>That's the error I'm talking about.  Beauty is _not_ in the eye of the
>>beholder.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Phil Hobbs
>
>But there is a radical range of variation between humans. Some people
>actually hate chocolate, some actually like cilantro. Some men like
>the bodies of slim women, some like ample ones, some don't care for
>either.
>
>Is this worth a hundred million dollars?
>
>https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/18/arts/18BASQUIAT/18BASQUIAT-master1050.jpg
>
>Lots of people thing that's high art.

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#462447

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:50 -0700
Message-ID<qfpticti6gfv46ecrf8ftqcmb8reaclana@4ax.com>
In reply to#462443
On Wed, 31 May 2017 08:31:24 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2017 08:25:20 -0700, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2017 10:39:24 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 05/31/2017 10:27 AM, rickman wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>>> 
>>>> No one is saying there is no such thing as beauty.  The point is that
>>>> the definition of beauty depends on many factors.  It is not an absolute.
>>>
>>>That's the error I'm talking about.  Beauty is _not_ in the eye of the
>>>beholder.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>Phil Hobbs
>>
>>But there is a radical range of variation between humans. Some people
>>actually hate chocolate, some actually like cilantro. Some men like
>>the bodies of slim women, some like ample ones, some don't care for
>>either.
>>
>>Is this worth a hundred million dollars?
>>
>>https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/18/arts/18BASQUIAT/18BASQUIAT-master1050.jpg
>>
>>Lots of people thing that's high art.
>
>Self portrait ?>:-}
>		
>                                        ...Jim Thompson

Given that the "artist" is dead now, it's pretty realistic.


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#462529

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-31 22:34 -0400
Message-ID<ognu9i$on5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#462433
Phil Hobbs wrote on 5/31/2017 10:39 AM:
> On 05/31/2017 10:27 AM, rickman wrote:
>> Phil Hobbs wrote on 5/31/2017 10:11 AM:
>>> On 05/30/2017 10:04 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> John Larkin wrote on 5/30/2017 9:53 PM:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 17:33:09 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be best to include every mosfet property in every
>>>>>>>>> schematic
>>>>>>>>> symbol:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and
>>>>>>>> a small tank of magic smoke. ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree
>>>>>>>> about exactly where.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resistors have capacitances (several), inductance, tempcos, and
>>>>>>> nonlinearity. Inductors have parasitics. We don't show any of that on
>>>>>>> the schematic symbols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When we design review a circuit, if we are not intimately familiar
>>>>>>> with each part, we pull up the data sheet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Circuit strays and nonlinearity are features of everything at some
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no issue with how you folks do things. You make lots of good
>>>>>> stuff, and you're happy with your process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just think that a couple of small strokes of a pencil are a very
>>>>>> small price to pay for a vast improvement in the representation of
>>>>>> the physics of a fairly complex and very common part like a MOSFET.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>
>>>>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>>>>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Schematics are art.
>>>>
>>>> Art has no absolutes.  One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Art
>>>>
>>>> http://mentalfloss.com/article/12668/one-mans-trash-another-mans-art
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/297286/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-art.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sidandjim.com/one-man-s-art
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/usatoday/photos/a.100797840666.101835.13652355666/10152057191590667/?type=3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The idea that there is no such thing as beauty--i.e. the Good as an
>>> object of desire--is one of the philosophical errors that got us where
>>> we are today.
>>
>> No one is saying there is no such thing as beauty.  The point is that
>> the definition of beauty depends on many factors.  It is not an absolute.
>
> That's the error I'm talking about.  Beauty is _not_ in the eye of the
> beholder.

So which eye defines beauty?  Or is there an ASME spec?

-- 

Rick C

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#462438

FromMartin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
Date2017-05-31 15:50 +0100
Message-ID<ogml8j$t6e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462420
On 31/05/2017 15:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 05/30/2017 10:04 PM, rickman wrote:
>> John Larkin wrote on 5/30/2017 9:53 PM:

>>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>>>
>>> Schematics are art.
>>
>> Art has no absolutes.  One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Art
>>
>> http://mentalfloss.com/article/12668/one-mans-trash-another-mans-art
>>
>> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/297286/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-art.html
>>
>>
>> http://www.sidandjim.com/one-man-s-art
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/usatoday/photos/a.100797840666.101835.13652355666/10152057191590667/?type=3
>
> The idea that there is no such thing as beauty--i.e. the Good as an
> object of desire--is one of the philosophical errors that got us where
> we are today.

There are many variations on what is art and what isn't. Some of the 
conceptual modern art is literally utter rubbish and has been mistaken 
for trash - notably a used ashtray at Eyestorm Gallery if memory serves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26270260

It's only value is in the brand name of the "creator", and the 
anticipated "appreciation" in market value that goes with it.

Some of the other stuff is at least in some part clever or interesting 
but largely relies on mainly dealers creating a market for it amongst 
the super rich with more money than sense. Sawn in half sharks for 
instance. I have seen some pretty silly modern art with ludicrous prices 
(especially some of the things I know the cost of making).

But where do you place some of the organic bronze castings of Henry 
Moore or carvings of Barbara Hepworth? When new they were controversial 
but today they are well regarded and sometimes stolen to order.

One of the curiosities is that judgement of beauty in faces is sort of 
hard wired. Too much or too little facial asymmetry looks ugly or other 
worldly respectively. Notably the elves in Lord of the Rings were chosen 
for having exceptionally symmetric faces. Film stars mostly are more 
symmetric than in the average population but not perfect.

The evolution of music over the centuries is probably the most 
complicated art form of all though. Stravinsky was cutting edge avant 
garde only a century ago where now it is mainstream classical music. 
Schoenberg's atonal music still remains inaccessible to most listeners.

Once you add the possibilities that arise from modern jazz and later 
electronic synthesisers the gamut of possible music just exploded. You 
can really only tell good music or art by what is still being played or 
looked at a few hundred years later. The rest is just ephemera.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

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#462530

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-31 22:38 -0400
Message-ID<ognugh$pv7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#462438
Martin Brown wrote on 5/31/2017 10:50 AM:
> On 31/05/2017 15:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 05/30/2017 10:04 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> John Larkin wrote on 5/30/2017 9:53 PM:
>
>>>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>>>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>>>>
>>>> Schematics are art.
>>>
>>> Art has no absolutes.  One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Art
>>>
>>> http://mentalfloss.com/article/12668/one-mans-trash-another-mans-art
>>>
>>> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/297286/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-art.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.sidandjim.com/one-man-s-art
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/usatoday/photos/a.100797840666.101835.13652355666/10152057191590667/?type=3
>>>
>>
>> The idea that there is no such thing as beauty--i.e. the Good as an
>> object of desire--is one of the philosophical errors that got us where
>> we are today.
>
> There are many variations on what is art and what isn't. Some of the
> conceptual modern art is literally utter rubbish and has been mistaken for
> trash - notably a used ashtray at Eyestorm Gallery if memory serves.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26270260
>
> It's only value is in the brand name of the "creator", and the anticipated
> "appreciation" in market value that goes with it.

The brand name?  So anonymous art is always worthless?  How about cave 
drawings?  Certainly some don't think much of cave drawings as some have 
been covered by graffiti.


> Some of the other stuff is at least in some part clever or interesting but
> largely relies on mainly dealers creating a market for it amongst the super
> rich with more money than sense. Sawn in half sharks for instance. I have
> seen some pretty silly modern art with ludicrous prices (especially some of
> the things I know the cost of making).

So art is defined by the market price?


> But where do you place some of the organic bronze castings of Henry Moore or
> carvings of Barbara Hepworth? When new they were controversial but today
> they are well regarded and sometimes stolen to order.
>
> One of the curiosities is that judgement of beauty in faces is sort of hard
> wired. Too much or too little facial asymmetry looks ugly or other worldly
> respectively. Notably the elves in Lord of the Rings were chosen for having
> exceptionally symmetric faces. Film stars mostly are more symmetric than in
> the average population but not perfect.
>
> The evolution of music over the centuries is probably the most complicated
> art form of all though. Stravinsky was cutting edge avant garde only a
> century ago where now it is mainstream classical music. Schoenberg's atonal
> music still remains inaccessible to most listeners.
>
> Once you add the possibilities that arise from modern jazz and later
> electronic synthesisers the gamut of possible music just exploded. You can
> really only tell good music or art by what is still being played or looked
> at a few hundred years later. The rest is just ephemera.

Why does being popular define art?

-- 

Rick C

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#462441

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:19 -0700
Message-ID<rnntic1nccbqdmitb1anl9lq9apjlh7vh6@4ax.com>
In reply to#462420
On Wed, 31 May 2017 10:11:01 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 05/30/2017 10:04 PM, rickman wrote:
>> John Larkin wrote on 5/30/2017 9:53 PM:
>>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 17:33:09 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic
>>>>>>> symbol:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and
>>>>>> a small tank of magic smoke. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree
>>>>>> about exactly where.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>>> Resistors have capacitances (several), inductance, tempcos, and
>>>>> nonlinearity. Inductors have parasitics. We don't show any of that on
>>>>> the schematic symbols.
>>>>
>>>>> When we design review a circuit, if we are not intimately familiar
>>>>> with each part, we pull up the data sheet
>>>>
>>>> Circuit strays and nonlinearity are features of everything at some
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> I have no issue with how you folks do things. You make lots of good
>>>> stuff, and you're happy with your process.
>>>>
>>>> I just think that a couple of small strokes of a pencil are a very
>>>> small price to pay for a vast improvement in the representation of
>>>> the physics of a fairly complex and very common part like a MOSFET.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>>>
>>> Schematics are art.
>> 
>> Art has no absolutes.  One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Art
>> 
>> http://mentalfloss.com/article/12668/one-mans-trash-another-mans-art
>> 
>> https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/297286/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-art.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.sidandjim.com/one-man-s-art
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/usatoday/photos/a.100797840666.101835.13652355666/10152057191590667/?type=3
>> 
>> 
>
>The idea that there is no such thing as beauty--i.e. the Good as an
>object of desire--is one of the philosophical errors that got us where
>we are today.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

Modern architecture, for sure.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#462393

Frompcdhobbs@gmail.com
Date2017-05-30 21:36 -0700
Message-ID<337f9965-f50a-4ae3-9e47-fd117e6a7de6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462377
>The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or 
>illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic. 

You're really fond of your symbol, and that's okay with me--it's not a moral or theological issue after all. In this instance I disagree aesthetically as well as practically.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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#462395

FromClifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
Date2017-05-31 16:01 +1000
Message-ID<vvtXA.12398$EH.794@fx40.iad>
In reply to#462393
On 31/05/17 14:36, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>
> You're really fond of your symbol, and that's okay with me--
> it's not a moral or theological issue after all.

By which you mean "it's not an issue with any rational ground"
and hence admitting some possibility of ending the debate :)

The truth is, different designers have different *needs* from
their symbols. Phil often cares about and so likes to be reminded
of the physics, where Larkin and I like to remember it only when
we need to.

> In this instance I disagree aesthetically as well as practically.

My argument wasn't aesthetic. A simpler symbol is easier to
recognise. A parrot is very recognisable, unless it's in a
flame tree, when the same parrot becomes almost completely
invisible. Why fill your visual field with noise?

Whether you need to be reminded of the physics or structure
is truly a personal thing. That doesn't make it ungrounded,
just contingent on your own needs.

> Cheers
> Phil Hobbs

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#462489

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-05-31 17:46 -0400
Message-ID<v8euicd8g8pl2jjhasfach5ag20ue08plh@4ax.com>
In reply to#462395
On Wed, 31 May 2017 16:01:31 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

>On 31/05/17 14:36, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The "busy" symbol is either a lot bigger than a bipolar transistor, or
>>> illegible. Either way, you have an ugly schematic.
>>
>> You're really fond of your symbol, and that's okay with me--
>> it's not a moral or theological issue after all.
>
>By which you mean "it's not an issue with any rational ground"
>and hence admitting some possibility of ending the debate :)
>
>The truth is, different designers have different *needs* from
>their symbols. Phil often cares about and so likes to be reminded
>of the physics, where Larkin and I like to remember it only when
>we need to.
>
>> In this instance I disagree aesthetically as well as practically.
>
>My argument wasn't aesthetic. A simpler symbol is easier to
>recognise. A parrot is very recognisable, unless it's in a
>flame tree, when the same parrot becomes almost completely
>invisible. Why fill your visual field with noise?
>
>Whether you need to be reminded of the physics or structure
>is truly a personal thing. That doesn't make it ungrounded,
>just contingent on your own needs.

Not that I disagree with you but the purpose of a schematic is to
convey information to others.  It's generally accepted that the
designer knows what the circuit does.  I don't mind a complete symbol
for CAD drawings but I'm not going to doodle in all the lines when
making a napkin schematic.

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#462378

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-30 21:56 -0400
Message-ID<ogl7l9$9c1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#462363
pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote on 5/30/2017 8:33 PM:
>>>> It would be best to include every mosfet property in every schematic
>>>> symbol:
>>
>>> Sure--plus maybe a big zener to illustrate avalanche behaviour and a small tank of magic smoke. ;)
>>>
>>> You have to stop someplace--Big- and Little-Endians just disagree about exactly where.
>>
>>> Cheers
>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>
>> Resistors have capacitances (several), inductance, tempcos, and
>> nonlinearity. Inductors have parasitics. We don't show any of that on
>> the schematic symbols.
>
>> When we design review a circuit, if we are not intimately familiar
>> with each part, we pull up the data sheet
>
> Circuit strays and nonlinearity are features of everything at some level.
>
> I have no issue with how you folks do things. You make lots of good stuff, and you're happy with your process.
>
> I just think that a couple of small strokes of a pencil are a very small price to pay for a vast improvement in the representation of the physics of a fairly complex and very common part like a MOSFET.

ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT!  This entire conversation 
is about one line segment.

-- 

Rick C

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#462409

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-05-31 05:01 -0700
Message-ID<ogmbbb01j7n@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#462378
rickman wrote...
>
> ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT! 
> This entire conversation is about one line segment.

 Actually, two strokes, and worry about adding a dot.

 That never bothered me, heck, did it for 45 years.
 To me it's more about the larger, cluttered symbol.
 I like the simplicity.  But I think we got carried 
 away in AoE III; there are places it'd have made
 more sense.  Plus, originally I wanted to make our
 readers familiar with both styles.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#462412

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-31 09:03 -0400
Message-ID<ogmepa$t9c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#462409
Winfield Hill wrote on 5/31/2017 8:01 AM:
> rickman wrote...
>>
>> ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT!
>> This entire conversation is about one line segment.
>
>  Actually, two strokes, and worry about adding a dot.

Nope, look again, one stroke.  You draw the vertical line and the arrow in 
either case.  For one symbol you add a third line for the source.


>  That never bothered me, heck, did it for 45 years.
>  To me it's more about the larger, cluttered symbol.
>  I like the simplicity.  But I think we got carried
>  away in AoE III; there are places it'd have made
>  more sense.  Plus, originally I wanted to make our
>  readers familiar with both styles.

Why would the size change???  Cluttered???  I think this is a very small 
mountain being made from a rather large molehill.

I don't have my copy of AoE III handy.  Do you have a section that shows 
both symbols and explains why you are using both?  If not, all you have done 
is to confuse the reader.  No one expects to see two symbols used for the 
same thing in a single tome.

I really can't believe this conversation is even happening.

-- 

Rick C

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#462419

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-05-31 07:09 -0700
Message-ID<ogmiqu01u20@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#462412
rickman wrote...
>
>Winfield Hill wrote on 5/31/2017 8:01 AM:
>> rickman wrote...
>>>
>>> ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT!
>>> This entire conversation is about one line segment.
>>
>>  Actually, two strokes, and worry about adding a dot.
>
> Nope, look again, one stroke.  You draw the vertical line
> and the arrow in either case.  For one symbol you add a
> third line for the source.

 Ah, you draw the source wire first, running it halfway
 up the symbol, that's a shortcut.  I usually draw the
 MOSFET first, then start connecting it to other things.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#462423

FromJan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
Date2017-05-31 14:23 +0000
Message-ID<ogmjl0$qgc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462419
On a sunny day (31 May 2017 07:09:34 -0700) it happened Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote in <ogmiqu01u20@drn.newsguy.com>:

> I usually draw the
> MOSFET first, then start connecting it to other things.

That is normal, first the cicuit diagram, then build it.
:-)

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#462428

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-31 10:30 -0400
Message-ID<ogmjrq$f4k$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#462419
Winfield Hill wrote on 5/31/2017 10:09 AM:
> rickman wrote...
>>
>> Winfield Hill wrote on 5/31/2017 8:01 AM:
>>> rickman wrote...
>>>>
>>>> ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT!
>>>> This entire conversation is about one line segment.
>>>
>>>  Actually, two strokes, and worry about adding a dot.
>>
>> Nope, look again, one stroke.  You draw the vertical line
>> and the arrow in either case.  For one symbol you add a
>> third line for the source.
>
>  Ah, you draw the source wire first, running it halfway
>  up the symbol, that's a shortcut.  I usually draw the
>  MOSFET first, then start connecting it to other things.

Actually I don't.  I draw the symbol by drawing the channel, the three 
connections to the channel and then start connecting the three terminals. 
There is but one line segment different no matter how you draw it, the extra 
connection to the channel.

-- 

Rick C

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#462444

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:38 -0700
Message-ID<q4otic9kpa4q3h008bme6b3ona21ort9oi@4ax.com>
In reply to#462419
On 31 May 2017 07:09:34 -0700, Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>rickman wrote...
>>
>>Winfield Hill wrote on 5/31/2017 8:01 AM:
>>> rickman wrote...
>>>>
>>>> ONE stroke.  The difference is ONE LINE SEGMENT!
>>>> This entire conversation is about one line segment.
>>>
>>>  Actually, two strokes, and worry about adding a dot.
>>
>> Nope, look again, one stroke.  You draw the vertical line
>> and the arrow in either case.  For one symbol you add a
>> third line for the source.
>
> Ah, you draw the source wire first, running it halfway
> up the symbol, that's a shortcut.  I usually draw the
> MOSFET first, then start connecting it to other things.

I think a schematic looks good if various horizontal and vertical
lines align. So I draw the wires first, aligned with other nearby
wires, and then add the components, in this case the source/drain
wires. Our "insulated-gate bipolar" symbol looks good.

I have a big wonderful whiteboard (with dedicated lighting) that has a
faint background grid. That lets me draw nice aligned sketches. And I
do official schamatics on blue-grid D-size vellum. The global
alignments matter more to appearance than the detail line quality.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Circuits/Clamp.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Circuits/DC_DC3.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Circuits/Driver_Sh_1.JPG

(ugly jog on that trig led one-shot, bad planning)





-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#462422

FromJan Panteltje <pNa0nStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
Date2017-05-31 14:21 +0000
Message-ID<ogmjgg$q69$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462412
On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2017 09:03:51 -0400) it happened rickman
<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in <ogmepa$t9c$1@dont-email.me>:

>I really can't believe this conversation is even happening.

Indeed, I remember a movie, long ago,
where Popes men came and almost got into a fistfight about:
'If Jesus had a purse or not'.
Don't remember the name of the movie...

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#462439

FromJeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
Date2017-05-31 17:00 +0200
Message-ID<ogmlr6$u4c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462422
On 2017-05-31 16:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2017 09:03:51 -0400) it happened rickman
> <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in <ogmepa$t9c$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> I really can't believe this conversation is even happening.
>
> Indeed, I remember a movie, long ago,
> where Popes men came and almost got into a fistfight about:
> 'If Jesus had a purse or not'.
> Don't remember the name of the movie...
>

That might have been 'The name of the rose', an adaptation
of Umberto Eco's novel of the same name. I think the argument
was 'did he, or did he not, own the clothes he was wearing?'
There were lots of stabs at religious zeal in the story.

Jeroen Belleman

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#462440

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:14 -0700
Message-ID<fdntic1jd1rv3ru6rk3ijhtg6t3r7pemsv@4ax.com>
In reply to#462439
On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:00:55 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2017-05-31 16:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2017 09:03:51 -0400) it happened rickman
>> <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in <ogmepa$t9c$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> I really can't believe this conversation is even happening.
>>
>> Indeed, I remember a movie, long ago,
>> where Popes men came and almost got into a fistfight about:
>> 'If Jesus had a purse or not'.
>> Don't remember the name of the movie...
>>
>
>That might have been 'The name of the rose', an adaptation
>of Umberto Eco's novel of the same name. I think the argument
>was 'did he, or did he not, own the clothes he was wearing?'
>There were lots of stabs at religious zeal in the story.
>
>Jeroen Belleman

One of my favorite movies.  Replay it often... always spot another
nuance.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#462445

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:40 -0700
Message-ID<stotic5vj8fk4s4jois69okdrsq3320pd6@4ax.com>
In reply to#462439
On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:00:55 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2017-05-31 16:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2017 09:03:51 -0400) it happened rickman
>> <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in <ogmepa$t9c$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> I really can't believe this conversation is even happening.
>>
>> Indeed, I remember a movie, long ago,
>> where Popes men came and almost got into a fistfight about:
>> 'If Jesus had a purse or not'.
>> Don't remember the name of the movie...
>>
>
>That might have been 'The name of the rose', an adaptation
>of Umberto Eco's novel of the same name. I think the argument
>was 'did he, or did he not, own the clothes he was wearing?'
>There were lots of stabs at religious zeal in the story.
>
>Jeroen Belleman

That guy was really hard to read. Rose was better than his others.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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