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| Started by | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-27 15:14 -0500 |
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I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-27 15:14 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2017-01-27 18:26 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-01-27 16:27 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-27 19:42 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Neon John <no@never.com> - 2017-01-28 11:00 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 14:46 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-01-28 21:21 +0000
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 21:59 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-01-29 09:01 +0000
Re: I Mean It This Time dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-01-29 10:00 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-30 10:29 +0100
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 01:00 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-15 04:06 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 19:45 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-15 19:40 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 23:02 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-16 05:18 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 09:02 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-16 09:47 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:03 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-17 04:43 +1100
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:30 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-17 06:42 +1100
Re: I Mean It This Time Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-28 09:24 -0700
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 22:57 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-01-28 11:03 +0000
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-28 14:46 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time klaus.kragelund@gmail.com - 2017-01-30 14:22 -0800
Re: I Mean It This Time rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 01:24 -0500
Re: I Mean It This Time Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-01-31 05:41 -0800
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-27 15:14 -0500 |
| Subject | I Mean It This Time |
| Message-ID | <o6g9jb$n9e$1@dont-email.me> |
My web hosting provider limits outgoing emails on an account to 100 per hour. That might sound like plenty... but it includes *all* outbound emails. So if you are hosting a email list with 101 members, only the first 100 receive their email. Even worse is any of your incoming emails that are redirected to another email account bounce sending a notice back to the sender. A terrible, terrible way to do email. Very sad. They can open the pipe for me if I pay for a dedicated IP address, $36 a year. So I am finally going to jump ship. Anyone care to share their recommendations for web hosting providers? I need an account with unmetered service, unlimited domain names and uses Cpanel. Pricing should be no more than $5 a month. I'm paying about $45 a year with a three year agreement. -- Rick C
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| From | M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-27 18:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.32f5a12d49996555989ffe@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #445055 |
In article <o6g9jb$n9e$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says... > > My web hosting provider limits outgoing emails on an account to 100 per > hour. That might sound like plenty... but it includes *all* outbound > emails. So if you are hosting a email list with 101 members, only the > first 100 receive their email. > > Even worse is any of your incoming emails that are redirected to another > email account bounce sending a notice back to the sender. A terrible, > terrible way to do email. Very sad. > > They can open the pipe for me if I pay for a dedicated IP address, $36 a > year. > > So I am finally going to jump ship. Anyone care to share their > recommendations for web hosting providers? > > I need an account with unmetered service, unlimited domain names and > uses Cpanel. Pricing should be no more than $5 a month. I'm paying > about $45 a year with a three year agreement. How cheap can you be? It sounds like they already are giving you a lot more for the money, and you want more for less. If I didn't know any better, and I most likely don't, i'd say you must be one of those Lefty Democrats! What is wrong with your ass? Jamie
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| From | dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) |
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| Date | 2017-01-27 16:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <s45tld-jkt.ln1@coop.radagast.org> |
| In reply to | #445087 |
In article <MPG.32f5a12d49996555989ffe@news.eternal-september.org>, M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote: >> Even worse is any of your incoming emails that are redirected to another >> email account bounce sending a notice back to the sender. A terrible, >> terrible way to do email. Very sad. >> >> They can open the pipe for me if I pay for a dedicated IP address, $36 a >> year. >> >> So I am finally going to jump ship. Anyone care to share their >> recommendations for web hosting providers? >> >> I need an account with unmetered service, unlimited domain names and >> uses Cpanel. Pricing should be no more than $5 a month. I'm paying >> about $45 a year with a three year agreement. > >How cheap can you be? It sounds like they already are giving you a lot >more for the money, and you want more for less. Those prices don't seem at all unreasonable, from what I know of the market. The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-27 19:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o6gpa2$bl1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #445096 |
On 1/27/2017 7:27 PM, Dave Platt wrote: > In article <MPG.32f5a12d49996555989ffe@news.eternal-september.org>, > M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> wrote: > >>> Even worse is any of your incoming emails that are redirected to another >>> email account bounce sending a notice back to the sender. A terrible, >>> terrible way to do email. Very sad. >>> >>> They can open the pipe for me if I pay for a dedicated IP address, $36 a >>> year. >>> >>> So I am finally going to jump ship. Anyone care to share their >>> recommendations for web hosting providers? >>> >>> I need an account with unmetered service, unlimited domain names and >>> uses Cpanel. Pricing should be no more than $5 a month. I'm paying >>> about $45 a year with a three year agreement. >> >> How cheap can you be? It sounds like they already are giving you a lot >> more for the money, and you want more for less. > > Those prices don't seem at all unreasonable, from what I know of the > market. > > The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own > operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain > software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in > the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach > should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher > economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. I've had a number of problems with them over the years. One of the more serious was when they wanted their customers to switch from Plesk to Cpanel they offered to help you convert your stuff. They made a hash out of mine because the email accounts and forwards aren't handled the same way. So I hung back my account while they moved the other accounts under my hosting to the Cpanel server. Some time later *without* warning, they moved my account to a Cpanel server. They claim to have sent an email, but it never arrived. Now my email was a total mess and the original Plesk account was deleted so I couldn't even see what they had done. Then to top it off, the remaining few accounts on the Plesk server got moved to a *different* server than the other accounts. So now I have two control accounts on two servers. When I need support they constantly mix up which server I am talking about. The most recent issue of limiting outbound emails has been a problem for some time now. So rather than pay them more money until they find something else to screw up, I want to find a better provider. I don't have a problem with the price, I think the price is good. But I don't feel I get good support, even for that price. -- Rick C
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| From | Neon John <no@never.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-28 11:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <unfp8cp9ogdqhucibrklvs32qo79o2hiv4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #445096 |
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote: >The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 years and have never had a complaint. John John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-28 14:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o6isan$8h8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #445148 |
On 1/28/2017 11:00 AM, Neon John wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave > Platt) wrote: > > >> The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >> operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >> software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >> the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >> should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >> economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. > > I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to > move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a > virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They > do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control > panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 > years and have never had a complaint. By "virtual" private server that means a not private server? I prefer Cpanel partly so I don't need to come up a learning curve, but mostly I expect it will make the porting easier. -- Rick C
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| From | John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-01-28 21:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <878tpuyj7m.fsf@devereux.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #445168 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: > On 1/28/2017 11:00 AM, Neon John wrote: >> On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave >> Platt) wrote: >> >> >>> The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >>> operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >>> software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >>> the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >>> should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >>> economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. >> >> I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to >> move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a >> virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They >> do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control >> panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 >> years and have never had a complaint. > > By "virtual" private server that means a not private server? It means it is running under some kind of VM or sandboxing. Which they pretty much all are AFAICT. I.e., you don't generally get your own personal piece of hardware dedicated to you. > > I prefer Cpanel partly so I don't need to come up a learning curve, > but mostly I expect it will make the porting easier. -- John Devereux
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-28 21:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o6jlo0$eh0$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #445175 |
On 1/28/2017 4:21 PM, John Devereux wrote: > rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: > >> On 1/28/2017 11:00 AM, Neon John wrote: >>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave >>> Platt) wrote: >>> >>> >>>> The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >>>> operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >>>> software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >>>> the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >>>> should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >>>> economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. >>> >>> I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to >>> move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a >>> virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They >>> do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control >>> panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 >>> years and have never had a complaint. >> >> By "virtual" private server that means a not private server? > > It means it is running under some kind of VM or sandboxing. Which they > pretty much all are AFAICT. I.e., you don't generally get your own > personal piece of hardware dedicated to you. I've never heard it referred to as "virtual" private. I've always seen "shared". Is that like a "previously owned" car rather than a "used" one? -- Rick C
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| From | John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-01-29 09:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <874m0ixmro.fsf@devereux.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #445189 |
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: > On 1/28/2017 4:21 PM, John Devereux wrote: >> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On 1/28/2017 11:00 AM, Neon John wrote: >>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave >>>> Platt) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >>>>> operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >>>>> software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >>>>> the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >>>>> should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >>>>> economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. >>>> >>>> I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to >>>> move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a >>>> virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They >>>> do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control >>>> panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 >>>> years and have never had a complaint. >>> >>> By "virtual" private server that means a not private server? >> >> It means it is running under some kind of VM or sandboxing. Which they >> pretty much all are AFAICT. I.e., you don't generally get your own >> personal piece of hardware dedicated to you. > > I've never heard it referred to as "virtual" private. I've always > seen "shared". Is that like a "previously owned" car rather than a > "used" one? Well you could also get an account on an actual shared server, where you had your own login name and password. I remember one such ~20 years ago used for our company web server, you could list all the other users "home" folders just with 'ls /home'. These days while the hardware can still be shared, you can rent your own VM and put whatever you want on it. -- John Devereux
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| From | dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) |
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| Date | 2017-01-29 10:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <27n1md-pt2.ln1@coop.radagast.org> |
| In reply to | #445189 |
In article <o6jlo0$eh0$2@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >I've never heard it referred to as "virtual" private. I've always seen >"shared". Is that like a "previously owned" car rather than a "used" one? No, I think there's a difference in meaning. A "shared" server usually means one in which your domain, and Web service, and mail, are running alongside others in a single copy of an operating system environment, running on a single server (which probably has multiple CPU cores and disks). There's a single installed copy of the web-server software, email server, etc. If the software on the system is upgraded, the upgrade applies to all of the users on the shared system in the same way. In effect, you have a user account (capable of handing multiple web domains and email addresses) on that shared server. The next step would be "blade" servers - multiple, physically small servers (each with its own disk and CPU and memory), running side by side in the same rack space which might have been used by a single larger "shared" server. With blades, each blade runs its own operating system image from its own disk, with its own CPUs - two adjacent blades can be running entirely separate operating systems. Now, the "virtual" part. Install a higher-end server whose hardware has "virtualization" support - it can split up its memory and set of CPUs so that they look like a bunch of smaller memory banks and CPU sets. It can intercept I/O operations going to the disk and the network interface, and (as with memory and CPU) make them "look like" a bunch of smaller disks, and a set of independent network interfaces. Once you have this, you can "divide" a single larger server, into what appears for most purposes as a bunch of smaller, independent servers (often known as "slices"). Each one boots its own operating system image (which can be different for different slices), has its own set of applications installed, its own "network interface" with a unique Ethernet and IP address, and is administered separately. The slices don't all have to be the same size. It's a lot like running on a small blade server, except that the "slices" are virtualized portions of a single larger server rather than being physically-separate devices. This approach means that you don't need N separate power supplies, or disks, or motherboards, to support N different slices running as N different host systems. It's also usually possible to "migrate" a slice from one VM-host computer to another without loss (and sometimes without disruption of service - "live" migration). If the server your slice is running on needs to be service or upgraded, the data center migrates your slice to another host and you stay on the air. It's the approach I've been using for the last 3.5 years. I retired my stand-alone server, and bought a virtual "slice" on a server run by a local cooperative group (I just helped them move to a new data center yesterday). For under $100 a year I get what behaves like a 3 GHz CPU, 1 gig of RAM, 24 gigs of disk, my own IP address, and more net bandwidth than I need. Of course, since it's my own personal Linux install, I have to maintain it myself, and fix any (non-hardware-related) problems which may occur.
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2017-01-30 10:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o6n0u6$g08$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #445224 |
On 29/01/17 19:00, Dave Platt wrote: > In article <o6jlo0$eh0$2@dont-email.me>, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've never heard it referred to as "virtual" private. I've always seen >> "shared". Is that like a "previously owned" car rather than a "used" one? > > No, I think there's a difference in meaning. > > A "shared" server usually means one in which your domain, and Web > service, and mail, are running alongside others in a single copy of an > operating system environment, running on a single server (which > probably has multiple CPU cores and disks). There's a single > installed copy of the web-server software, email server, etc. If the > software on the system is upgraded, the upgrade applies to all of the > users on the shared system in the same way. > > In effect, you have a user account (capable of handing multiple web > domains and email addresses) on that shared server. > > The next step would be "blade" servers - multiple, physically small > servers (each with its own disk and CPU and memory), running side by > side in the same rack space which might have been used by a single > larger "shared" server. With blades, each blade runs its own > operating system image from its own disk, with its own CPUs - two > adjacent blades can be running entirely separate operating systems. > > Now, the "virtual" part. Install a higher-end server whose hardware > has "virtualization" support - it can split up its memory and set of > CPUs so that they look like a bunch of smaller memory banks and CPU > sets. It can intercept I/O operations going to the disk and the > network interface, and (as with memory and CPU) make them "look like" > a bunch of smaller disks, and a set of independent network interfaces. > > Once you have this, you can "divide" a single larger server, into what > appears for most purposes as a bunch of smaller, independent servers > (often known as "slices"). Each one boots its own operating system > image (which can be different for different slices), has its own set > of applications installed, its own "network interface" with a unique > Ethernet and IP address, and is administered separately. The slices > don't all have to be the same size. It's a lot like running on a > small blade server, except that the "slices" are virtualized portions > of a single larger server rather than being physically-separate > devices. > > This approach means that you don't need N separate power supplies, or > disks, or motherboards, to support N different slices running as N > different host systems. It's also usually possible to "migrate" a > slice from one VM-host computer to another without loss (and sometimes > without disruption of service - "live" migration). If the server your > slice is running on needs to be service or upgraded, the data center > migrates your slice to another host and you stay on the air. > > It's the approach I've been using for the last 3.5 years. I retired > my stand-alone server, and bought a virtual "slice" on a server run by > a local cooperative group (I just helped them move to a new data > center yesterday). For under $100 a year I get what behaves like a 3 > GHz CPU, 1 gig of RAM, 24 gigs of disk, my own IP address, and more > net bandwidth than I need. > > Of course, since it's my own personal Linux install, I have to > maintain it myself, and fix any (non-hardware-related) problems which > may occur. > There is another level of virtualisation that you are missing here, "containers". There each "container" has its own namespace, process space, users, filesystem area, and networking space. But they all run on the same OS kernel, and share memory, cpu resources, etc. This is far cheaper than full OS virtualisation because you don't need to dedicate any ram or other hardware resources to particular virtual machines, and it is more efficient in use because there is no need for any sort of I/O interception. But like virtual servers, each container can have its own IP address, and its own software. "Docker" is the popular version of containers, but they've been around for a decade at least (and the more limited "chroot jail" is many decades old). However, for the price in question here, he is much more likely to get name-based hosting on a single large Apache installation.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-15 01:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o80qn2$g0k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #445148 |
On 1/28/2017 11:00 AM, Neon John wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:27:40 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave > Platt) wrote: > > >> The next step up is probably to buy a VPS "slice", and run your own >> operating-system installation and whatever web, mail, and domain >> software suits your fancy. There seem to be quite a few providers in >> the $10/month range, and a few less than that. Taking this approach >> should give you more flexibility and bandwidth, at a slightly higher >> economic cost, and the need to administer the system yourself. > > I join the commenters who say you're too cheap. If you decide to > move, I can heartily recommend dreamhost.com. $9.95 a month for a > virtual private server with unlimited bandwidth and disk space. They > do not use cpanel and instead rolled their very much better control > panel of their own. Super tech support. I've been there about 10 > years and have never had a complaint. I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that they offer. But thanks for the pointer. -- Rick C
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-02-15 04:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o81g8c0umu@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #447716 |
rickman wrote...
>
>I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I
>don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that
>they offer. But thanks for the pointer.
Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks,
pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995.
They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense
get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and
thoroughly competent.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-15 19:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o82sks$in9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #447726 |
On 2/15/2017 7:06 AM, Winfield Hill wrote: > rickman wrote... >> >> I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I >> don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that >> they offer. But thanks for the pointer. > > Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks, > pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995. > They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense > get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and > thoroughly competent. I am looking at them. I initially sent them a message because they don't have chat and didn't get a reply. They are emailing me now so we are getting to the crux of the matter. Their site really doesn't describe their hosting in any useful way which was part of the problem. I just sent them a reply. We'll see how good their response is after 5 PM. BTW, they offer a choice of Pittsburgh or Denver for the hosting site. Any idea of the difference? -- Rick C
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-02-15 19:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o836vj0178l@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #447808 |
rickman wrote...
>
>On 2/15/2017 7:06 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
>> rickman wrote...
>>>
>>> I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I
>>> don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that
>>> they offer. But thanks for the pointer.
>>
>> Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks,
>> pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995.
>> They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense
>> get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and
>> thoroughly competent.
>
>I am looking at them. I initially sent them a message because they
>don't have chat and didn't get a reply. They are emailing me now so we
>are getting to the crux of the matter. Their site really doesn't
>describe their hosting in any useful way which was part of the problem.
They give you a complete powerful linux server
system, but I think it's up to you how to use it.
It's low-cost but totally powerful and functional.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-15 23:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o83868$65g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #447822 |
On 2/15/2017 10:40 PM, Winfield Hill wrote: > rickman wrote... >> >> On 2/15/2017 7:06 AM, Winfield Hill wrote: >>> rickman wrote... >>>> >>>> I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I >>>> don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that >>>> they offer. But thanks for the pointer. >>> >>> Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks, >>> pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995. >>> They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense >>> get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and >>> thoroughly competent. >> >> I am looking at them. I initially sent them a message because they >> don't have chat and didn't get a reply. They are emailing me now so we >> are getting to the crux of the matter. Their site really doesn't >> describe their hosting in any useful way which was part of the problem. > > They give you a complete powerful linux server > system, but I think it's up to you how to use it. > It's low-cost but totally powerful and functional. I'm not sure what you are talking about. The low cost packages are hosting packages. They supply their software to host web sites and manage accounts. This is not a VPS and I'm not looking for a VPS. On top of the complexity it costs at *lot* more, starting at $360 a year. A web hosting reseller package is just $72 a year. Even if I wanted a VPS, they are about double the going rate. They do seem responsive, but it's just not what I'm looking for. -- Rick C
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-02-16 05:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o848qj0lbr@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #447829 |
rickman wrote...
>
>On 2/15/2017 10:40 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
>> rickman wrote...
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 7:06 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
>>>> rickman wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I
>>>>> don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that
>>>>> they offer. But thanks for the pointer.
>>>>
>>>> Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks,
>>>> pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995.
>>>> They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense
>>>> get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and
>>>> thoroughly competent.
>>>
>>> I am looking at them. I initially sent them a message because they
>>> don't have chat and didn't get a reply. They are emailing me now so we
>>> are getting to the crux of the matter. Their site really doesn't
>>> describe their hosting in any useful way which was part of the problem.
>>
>> They give you a complete powerful linux server
>> system, but I think it's up to you how to use it.
>> It's low-cost but totally powerful and functional.
>
>I'm not sure what you are talking about. The low cost packages are
>hosting packages. They supply their software to host web sites and
>manage accounts. This is not a VPS and I'm not looking for a VPS. On
>top of the complexity it costs at *lot* more, starting at $360 a year.
>A web hosting reseller package is just $72 a year. Even if I wanted a
>VPS, they are about double the going rate.
>
>They do seem responsive, but it's just not what I'm looking for.
I pay $25 a year to host three web-page domains.
The first costs $11/year, the rest are cheaper.
Multiple email servers, file-storage, etc., add
another small annual amount. I have full access
to (a fraction of) one of their servers. I'm
not familiar with the term VPS. Maybe that's
what I have, however it's very inexpensive.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 09:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o84bao$cpi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #447852 |
On 2/16/2017 8:18 AM, Winfield Hill wrote: > rickman wrote... >> >> On 2/15/2017 10:40 PM, Winfield Hill wrote: >>> rickman wrote... >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2017 7:06 AM, Winfield Hill wrote: >>>>> rickman wrote... >>>>>> >>>>>> I checked out dreamhost.com and they are $15 a month for a VPS which I >>>>>> don't need. I just need a reseller account which it is not clear that >>>>>> they offer. But thanks for the pointer. >>>>> >>>>> Let me repeat my suggestion, Pair Networks, >>>>> pair.com A no-nonsense provider since 1995. >>>>> They're located in Pittsburgh, a no-nonsense >>>>> get-the-job-done city. Low cost, and >>>>> thoroughly competent. >>>> >>>> I am looking at them. I initially sent them a message because they >>>> don't have chat and didn't get a reply. They are emailing me now so we >>>> are getting to the crux of the matter. Their site really doesn't >>>> describe their hosting in any useful way which was part of the problem. >>> >>> They give you a complete powerful linux server >>> system, but I think it's up to you how to use it. >>> It's low-cost but totally powerful and functional. >> >> I'm not sure what you are talking about. The low cost packages are >> hosting packages. They supply their software to host web sites and >> manage accounts. This is not a VPS and I'm not looking for a VPS. On >> top of the complexity it costs at *lot* more, starting at $360 a year. >> A web hosting reseller package is just $72 a year. Even if I wanted a >> VPS, they are about double the going rate. >> >> They do seem responsive, but it's just not what I'm looking for. > > I pay $25 a year to host three web-page domains. > The first costs $11/year, the rest are cheaper. > Multiple email servers, file-storage, etc., add > another small annual amount. I have full access > to (a fraction of) one of their servers. I'm > not familiar with the term VPS. Maybe that's > what I have, however it's very inexpensive. I have no idea what service you are using that cheap. The lowest cost hosting they advertise is $6 a month! Unless, I see on their domain name registration page they seem to offer some totally free hosting if you register the domain name through them, Weebly.com Is that what you have? -- Rick C
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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 09:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o84ok301hs4@drn.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #447855 |
rickman wrote...
> On 2/16/2017 8:18 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
>>
>> I pay $25 a year to host three web-page domains.
>> The first costs $11/year, the rest are cheaper.
>> Multiple email servers, file-storage, etc., add
>> another small annual amount. I have full access
>> to (a fraction of) one of their servers. I'm
>> not familiar with the term VPS. Maybe that's
>> what I have, however it's very inexpensive.
>
>I have no idea what service you are using that cheap. The lowest cost
>hosting they advertise is $6 a month! Unless, I see on their domain
>name registration page they seem to offer some totally free hosting if
>you register the domain name through them, Weebly.com Is that what you
>have?
No, I don't know anything about that. But I have
to create my own web page, upload html files, etc.
I'll check on my exact service if you're interested.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 17:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o857gf$m0b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #447885 |
On 2/16/2017 12:47 PM, Winfield Hill wrote: > rickman wrote... >> On 2/16/2017 8:18 AM, Winfield Hill wrote: >>> >>> I pay $25 a year to host three web-page domains. >>> The first costs $11/year, the rest are cheaper. >>> Multiple email servers, file-storage, etc., add >>> another small annual amount. I have full access >>> to (a fraction of) one of their servers. I'm >>> not familiar with the term VPS. Maybe that's >>> what I have, however it's very inexpensive. >> >> I have no idea what service you are using that cheap. The lowest cost >> hosting they advertise is $6 a month! Unless, I see on their domain >> name registration page they seem to offer some totally free hosting if >> you register the domain name through them, Weebly.com Is that what you >> have? > > No, I don't know anything about that. But I have > to create my own web page, upload html files, etc. > I'll check on my exact service if you're interested. I would be interested in knowing. VPS means you get a virtual machine running on a shared CPU, BTW. You said "They give you a complete powerful linux server" that implies either a VPS or a full dedicated server. From what I can tell you have to set up all your own software. Much more work compared to them handling all the virtualization and installing the hosting software with a simple interface like cPanel. If you have a reseller account there will be multiple cPanel logins managed by WHM or similar software. Most likely you have a set of single domain hosting accounts. I suppose they give a discount for multiple accounts. -- Rick C
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