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Big batteries

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  Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 12:20 -0500
    Re: Big batteries Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-08 09:43 -0800
    Re: Big batteries Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:42 +0000
      Re: Big batteries John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 10:28 -0800
        Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 14:15 -0500
          Re: Big batteries John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 12:33 -0800
            Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 16:02 -0500
              Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 16:04 -0500
                Re: Big batteries John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 13:30 -0800
      Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 14:11 -0500
        Re: Big batteries Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 17:17 -0500
          Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 17:37 -0500
            Re: Big batteries Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-09 14:02 +1100
          Re: Big batteries Mikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> - 2017-02-09 14:45 +0200
            Re: Big batteries John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-02-09 14:11 -0600
              Re: Big batteries Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-09 14:39 -0800
                Re: Big batteries krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-09 21:20 -0500
      Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 14:26 -0500
        Re: Big batteries Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-08 22:54 +0000
          Re: Big batteries Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-08 15:57 -0700
          Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 18:04 -0500
    Re: Big batteries kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-02-08 09:44 -0800
      Re: Big batteries bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-08 14:24 -0500
    Re: Big batteries John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 10:27 -0800

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#446801 — Big batteries

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 12:20 -0500
SubjectBig batteries
Message-ID<prImA.23737$mm1.10144@fx09.iad>
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/chevrolet-bolt-powertrain-2_002.jpg

The first gen Volt's ~12kWh battery is on the far left, then the second 
gen's ~14kWh battery next, then the Spark EV's ~20kWh, then the Bolt's 
~60kWh battery final.

160kW maximum power output from the Bolt's battery, cool. The Volt 
doesn't have a fast charging option and the onboard charger is limited 
to around 3.6kW off 220V service, but the display sometimes shows around 
45kW being sent into the battery via regenerative braking going down 
steep grades.

I should be able to "fast charge" it by putting it in neutral and 
spinning the wheels backwards on a dyno then, right? Might have a 
negative impact on the odometer, though...

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#446810

FromLasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk>
Date2017-02-08 09:43 -0800
Message-ID<9d603de6-6bf2-4d30-9547-eed3e897b3db@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#446801
Den onsdag den 8. februar 2017 kl. 18.20.25 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
> http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/chevrolet-bolt-powertrain-2_002.jpg
> 
> The first gen Volt's ~12kWh battery is on the far left, then the second 
> gen's ~14kWh battery next, then the Spark EV's ~20kWh, then the Bolt's 
> ~60kWh battery final.
> 
> 160kW maximum power output from the Bolt's battery, cool. The Volt 
> doesn't have a fast charging option and the onboard charger is limited 
> to around 3.6kW off 220V service, but the display sometimes shows around 
> 45kW being sent into the battery via regenerative braking going down 
> steep grades.
> 
> I should be able to "fast charge" it by putting it in neutral and 
> spinning the wheels backwards on a dyno then, right? Might have a 
> negative impact on the odometer, though...

not backwards, forwards while (regen) braking

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#446811

FromJulian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com>
Date2017-02-08 17:42 +0000
Message-ID<o7fl9n$k8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#446801
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:

[...]

Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive 
electric cars.

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#446825

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-08 10:28 -0800
Message-ID<ioom9chbvuorl93oo9inelps7kour6r3ke@4ax.com>
In reply to#446811
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
<jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive 
>electric cars.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#446836

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 14:15 -0500
Message-ID<t7KmA.35494$Pg3.29129@fx42.iad>
In reply to#446825
On 02/08/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
> <jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>> electric cars.
>
> Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
>
>

A friend of mine had a birthday party at a nightclub on the downtown 
strip that's a gay club sometimes, and other times is "general 
admission" for other events.

As I'm going in a very brah-looking guy says "You don't want to go in 
there. That's...that's a GAY club."

What I would've like to say: "Oh, no fooling? Why don't you tell me 
everything you know about it..."

I didn't though, because closet-cases tend to be angry and violent.

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#446848

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-08 12:33 -0800
Message-ID<700n9cdcu5aog7e494ho3piuds4tdok7u7@4ax.com>
In reply to#446836
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:15:36 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 02/08/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
>> <jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>> electric cars.
>>
>> Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
>>
>>
>
>A friend of mine had a birthday party at a nightclub on the downtown 
>strip that's a gay club sometimes, and other times is "general 
>admission" for other events.
>
>As I'm going in a very brah-looking guy says "You don't want to go in 
>there. That's...that's a GAY club."
>
>What I would've like to say: "Oh, no fooling? Why don't you tell me 
>everything you know about it..."
>
>I didn't though, because closet-cases tend to be angry and violent.

Gay guys are great. They leave more women for us.

My next-door neighbors are a gay couple. Steve lets me borrow his
chain saw.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#446855

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 16:02 -0500
Message-ID<EHLmA.2347$b%6.1111@fx40.iad>
In reply to#446848
On 02/08/2017 03:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:15:36 -0500, bitrex
> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/08/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
>>> <jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>>> electric cars.
>>>
>>> Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A friend of mine had a birthday party at a nightclub on the downtown
>> strip that's a gay club sometimes, and other times is "general
>> admission" for other events.
>>
>> As I'm going in a very brah-looking guy says "You don't want to go in
>> there. That's...that's a GAY club."
>>
>> What I would've like to say: "Oh, no fooling? Why don't you tell me
>> everything you know about it..."
>>
>> I didn't though, because closet-cases tend to be angry and violent.
>
> Gay guys are great. They leave more women for us.

Well, at least we agree on something. ;-)

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#446856

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 16:04 -0500
Message-ID<eJLmA.2348$b%6.253@fx40.iad>
In reply to#446855
On 02/08/2017 04:02 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 02/08/2017 03:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:15:36 -0500, bitrex
>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/08/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
>>>> <jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>>>> electric cars.
>>>>
>>>> Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> A friend of mine had a birthday party at a nightclub on the downtown
>>> strip that's a gay club sometimes, and other times is "general
>>> admission" for other events.
>>>
>>> As I'm going in a very brah-looking guy says "You don't want to go in
>>> there. That's...that's a GAY club."
>>>
>>> What I would've like to say: "Oh, no fooling? Why don't you tell me
>>> everything you know about it..."
>>>
>>> I didn't though, because closet-cases tend to be angry and violent.
>>
>> Gay guys are great. They leave more women for us.
>
> Well, at least we agree on something. ;-)
>

though unfortunately looking at the demographics map the single male to 
single female ratio in the Bay should be enough to convince any single 
young man not to move there, no matter how many gay men there are.

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#446871

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-08 13:30 -0800
Message-ID<be3n9cdcadil4uaisv7g92lpjpl4qk2cjh@4ax.com>
In reply to#446856
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 16:04:10 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 02/08/2017 04:02 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 02/08/2017 03:33 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 14:15:36 -0500, bitrex
>>> <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/08/2017 01:28 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
>>>>> <jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>>>>> electric cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine had a birthday party at a nightclub on the downtown
>>>> strip that's a gay club sometimes, and other times is "general
>>>> admission" for other events.
>>>>
>>>> As I'm going in a very brah-looking guy says "You don't want to go in
>>>> there. That's...that's a GAY club."
>>>>
>>>> What I would've like to say: "Oh, no fooling? Why don't you tell me
>>>> everything you know about it..."
>>>>
>>>> I didn't though, because closet-cases tend to be angry and violent.
>>>
>>> Gay guys are great. They leave more women for us.
>>
>> Well, at least we agree on something. ;-)
>>
>
>though unfortunately looking at the demographics map the single male to 
>single female ratio in the Bay should be enough to convince any single 
>young man not to move there, no matter how many gay men there are.

Good; they should stay away.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#446835

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 14:11 -0500
Message-ID<J3KmA.2108$gF7.839@fx16.iad>
In reply to#446811
On 02/08/2017 12:42 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
> electric cars.
>

Wow!

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#446882

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-02-08 17:17 -0500
Message-ID<o7g5at$n1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#446835
On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 02/08/2017 12:42 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>> electric cars.
>>
>
> Wow!

I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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#446890

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 17:37 -0500
Message-ID<45NmA.502$kK.30@fx15.iad>
In reply to#446882
On 02/08/2017 05:17 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> On 02/08/2017 12:42 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>> electric cars.
>>>
>>
>> Wow!
>
> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs

That's great, trannies are so 20th century. Look at this Rube Goldberg 
contraption:

<http://cariteautorepairs.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Typical-Automatic-Transmssion.jpg>

What is even going on in there?

The Volt's dual-drive system is elegantly simple by comparison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX5ZwzNwTc4

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#446952

FromClifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
Date2017-02-09 14:02 +1100
Message-ID<589bdbb4$0$43858$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#446890
On 09/02/17 09:37, bitrex wrote:
> On 02/08/2017 05:17 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 02/08/2017 12:42 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>>> electric cars.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>
>> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
>
> That's great, trannies are so 20th century. Look at this Rube Goldberg
> contraption:
>
> <http://cariteautorepairs.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Typical-Automatic-Transmssion.jpg>
>
>
> What is even going on in there?
>
> The Volt's dual-drive system is elegantly simple by comparison:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX5ZwzNwTc4

Now THIS is a transmission:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glf_k4qGBAA>

Clifford Heath.

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#447002

FromMikko OH2HVJ <mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi>
Date2017-02-09 14:45 +0200
Message-ID<m24m03sfaz.fsf@nospam.fi>
In reply to#446882
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> writes:

> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>> electric cars.
..
> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)

You must be thinking of 20th century ones. The modern ones are
really driven by trannies. I don't know whether they're IGBT, though.

--
mikko

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#447062

FromJohn S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
Date2017-02-09 14:11 -0600
Message-ID<o7ii8n$vgc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#447002
On 2/9/2017 6:45 AM, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:
> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> writes:
>
>> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>>>> electric cars.
> ..
>> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)
>
> You must be thinking of 20th century ones. The modern ones are
> really driven by trannies. I don't know whether they're IGBT, though.
>
> --
> mikko
>

Is a trannie a transformer, transmission, or transistor?

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#447085

FromLasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk>
Date2017-02-09 14:39 -0800
Message-ID<ac93677b-c6a8-4e8b-b743-dae521ef7677@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#447062
Den torsdag den 9. februar 2017 kl. 21.10.46 UTC+1 skrev John S:
> On 2/9/2017 6:45 AM, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:
> > Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> writes:
> >
> >> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
> >>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
> >>>> electric cars.
> > ..
> >> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)
> >
> > You must be thinking of 20th century ones. The modern ones are
> > really driven by trannies. I don't know whether they're IGBT, though.
> >
> > --
> > mikko
> >
> 
> Is a trannie a transformer, transmission, or transistor?

what ever it identifies as ;)

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#447133

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-02-09 21:20 -0500
Message-ID<0r8q9c1hn7c5nsdor62pgolibci4d8u0jm@4ax.com>
In reply to#447085
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 14:39:05 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den torsdag den 9. februar 2017 kl. 21.10.46 UTC+1 skrev John S:
>> On 2/9/2017 6:45 AM, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:
>> > Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> writes:
>> >
>> >> On 02/08/2017 02:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>> >>>> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
>> >>>> electric cars.
>> > ..
>> >> I thought electric cars were the kind that didn't have trannies. ;)
>> >
>> > You must be thinking of 20th century ones. The modern ones are
>> > really driven by trannies. I don't know whether they're IGBT, though.
>> >
>> > --
>> > mikko
>> >
>> 
>> Is a trannie a transformer, transmission, or transistor?
>
>what ever it identifies as ;)

PNP, NPN, or unijunction?

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#446840

Frombitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net>
Date2017-02-08 14:26 -0500
Message-ID<jhKmA.1584$g51.268@fx04.iad>
In reply to#446811
On 02/08/2017 12:42 PM, Julian Barnes wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:20:20 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Are you gay or somethin'? I assume so cos only gays and trannies drive
> electric cars.
>

Didn't you hear about the "Golden Rule", Julian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

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#446895

FromJulian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com>
Date2017-02-08 22:54 +0000
Message-ID<o7g7ji$k8$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#446840
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:26:07 -0500, bitrex wrote:

> Didn't you hear about the "Golden Rule", Julian?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw

No wonder young men are suiciding at the highest rates ever with role 
models like those two weirdies all over teevee.

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#446896

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-08 15:57 -0700
Message-ID<th8n9ct8ji37k24he0irvtlehik3mmumf5@4ax.com>
In reply to#446895
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
<jb9889@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:26:07 -0500, bitrex wrote:
>
>> Didn't you hear about the "Golden Rule", Julian?
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw
>
>No wonder young men are suiciding at the highest rates ever with role 
>models like those two weirdies all over teevee.

Isn't it, "Do unto others, before they do it unto you" ?>:-}
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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