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Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery

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First post2017-01-30 17:37 -0700
Last post2017-02-01 11:10 -0800
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  Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 17:37 -0700
    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 17:33 -0800
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 18:38 -0700
        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 17:50 -0800
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 19:13 -0700
            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-01-31 14:11 +1100
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 19:32 -0800
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-01-31 15:46 +1100
        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-01-31 12:00 -0600
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-31 18:50 -0800
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-31 08:23 -0700
        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-03 17:27 -0800
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 17:53 -0800
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 10:06 -0700
        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 09:48 -0800
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 11:28 -0700
            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-01 18:59 +0000
            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:02 -0800
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:07 -0700
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:15 -0800
                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:27 -0700
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 14:45 -0800
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 15:54 -0700
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 15:37 -0800
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-03 19:54 +0000
            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 09:26 -0500
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 06:36 -0800
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:06 -0700
                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:30 -0800
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 08:09 -0700
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:08 -0500
                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 09:24 -0700
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:33 -0500
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 09:43 -0700
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 08:55 -0800
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-03 17:05 +0000
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-03 16:57 +0000
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 09:20 -0800
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 10:58 -0700
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-03 10:18 -0800
                              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 11:28 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 12:34 -0700
                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2017-02-03 08:26 -0800
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:34 -0500
                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-03 18:31 -0600
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 17:26 -0800
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-04 09:08 -0600
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 08:28 -0700
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 12:33 -0500
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 13:50 -0500
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-04 14:03 -0600
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-05 08:26 +1100
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 11:14 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 10:31 -0800
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 11:20 -0800
                              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 11:38 -0800
                                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 12:54 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 11:32 -0700
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-05 09:07 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-05 19:01 -0800
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 10:16 -0700
                              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:01 -0700
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 08:07 -0800
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 12:38 -0500
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 19:08 -0700
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 18:24 -0800
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 20:10 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 01:50 -0500
                            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 08:26 -0700
                              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 07:42 -0800
                                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:02 -0700
                                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:41 -0700
                                  Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:43 -0800
                              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-04 16:42 -0800
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 08:08 -0800
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-04 10:27 -0800
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-04 10:34 -0800
                    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 15:44 -0700
                      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 16:29 -0800
                        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 17:32 -0700
                          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 18:58 -0800
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:14 +0000
            Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:20 -0700
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:36 +0000
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:45 +0000
                Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:45 -0700
              Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:44 -0800
    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-01-30 20:32 -0600
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 19:44 -0700
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 19:46 -0800
    Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 11:57 -0700
      Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:03 -0800
        Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:07 -0700
          Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:10 -0800

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#445635

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-01 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<6ad49clvfif68qk68dp2i7ub5c2bfda0uf@4ax.com>
In reply to#445630
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:15:27 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:07:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>>>>
>>>>You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>>>>divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>>>>I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
>>>>prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
>>>>		
>>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>>If you're not going to share what you know, all you are doing is
>>>bragging about how smart you are, with no proof.
>>
>>How do we know if _your_ scope photos weren't rigged ?>:-}
>
>Because I am known to share stuff like this.

You shared photos, I shared screenshots.  What's the difference?

>
>Hey, if I did fake it, then your model is crap. OK, I did fake it. All
>your time has been wasted.

No, my time wasn't wasted.  That work was set aside last August
because I wasn't quite happy with it... so I pursued other items.  

I find that approach often refreshes my mind, because, when I went
back to it, I realized a major simplification that escaped me
previously.

So I'm happy.  Someone will provide data so I can compare measured
versus model, then I will publish; but I feel quite certain I've
cracked the nut.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |

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#445675

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-01 14:45 -0800
Message-ID<o4p49cl9m065i8dgrt07lgr9pq9tv7ggua@4ax.com>
In reply to#445635
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:27:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:15:27 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:07:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>>>>>
>>>>>You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>>>>>divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>>>>>I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
>>>>>prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
>>>>>		
>>>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>>>
>>>>If you're not going to share what you know, all you are doing is
>>>>bragging about how smart you are, with no proof.
>>>
>>>How do we know if _your_ scope photos weren't rigged ?>:-}
>>
>>Because I am known to share stuff like this.
>
>You shared photos, I shared screenshots.  What's the difference?

I shared all the info I had, and you are hiding and encripting what
you claim to know.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#445676

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-01 15:54 -0700
Message-ID<klp49c5jf6s6615i8dblgbs44ntos3r3to@4ax.com>
In reply to#445675
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 14:45:07 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:27:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:15:27 -0800, John Larkin
>><jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:07:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>
>>[snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>>>>>>divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>>>>>>I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
>>>>>>prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
>>>>>>		
>>>>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>
>>>>>If you're not going to share what you know, all you are doing is
>>>>>bragging about how smart you are, with no proof.
>>>>
>>>>How do we know if _your_ scope photos weren't rigged ?>:-}
>>>
>>>Because I am known to share stuff like this.
>>
>>You shared photos, I shared screenshots.  What's the difference?
>
>I shared all the info I had, and you are hiding and encripting what
>you claim to know.

I never claim anything I'm not sure of.  And you're a horse's ass >:-}
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142    Skype: skypeanalog |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |

     Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.

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#445681

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-01 15:37 -0800
Message-ID<o7s49cprut8s2od2jlbo1hbljb90hi5nbk@4ax.com>
In reply to#445676
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:54:11 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 14:45:07 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:27:10 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:15:27 -0800, John Larkin
>>><jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:07:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>>>>>>>divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>>>>>>>I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
>>>>>>>prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
>>>>>>>		
>>>>>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you're not going to share what you know, all you are doing is
>>>>>>bragging about how smart you are, with no proof.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do we know if _your_ scope photos weren't rigged ?>:-}
>>>>
>>>>Because I am known to share stuff like this.
>>>
>>>You shared photos, I shared screenshots.  What's the difference?
>>
>>I shared all the info I had, and you are hiding and encripting what
>>you claim to know.
>
>I never claim anything I'm not sure of.  And you're a horse's ass >:-}
>		
>                                        ...Jim Thompson


Well, helping you sure turns out to be a stupid thing to do.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#445995

FromCursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com>
Date2017-02-03 19:54 +0000
Message-ID<o72n5b$gu5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#445681
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:37:34 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
 
> 
> Well, helping you sure turns out to be a stupid thing to do.

Sigh. What a shame. For a minute there I thought you two were finally 
going to get along.

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#445933

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-02-03 09:26 -0500
Message-ID<o723p2$a8j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#445618
On 02/01/2017 01:28 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:48:54 -0800, John Larkin
> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:06:33 -0700, Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:33:05 -0800, John Larkin
>>> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:37:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
>>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nothing like a PhD telling me something can't be done to get my solver
>>>>> genes working double-time...
>>>>>
>>>>> Over baby-back ribs at Firebirds this afternoon I realized how to
>>>>> parameterize my method.
>>>>>
>>>>> But all the information I have is from "peer-reviewed" semi-BS IEEE
>>>>> papers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would someone be so kind as to take data on something common like a
>>>>> 1N914... forward overshoot and reverse recovery at various slew rates
>>>>> and current levels?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I can fit a known object.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 		
>>>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>>>
>>>> I posted this previously:
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_a.JPG
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_b.JPG
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_c.JPG
>>>>
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_d.JPG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a 1N914 from the middle of a 50-ohm transmission line to
>>>> ground. You can see the pulse drive level on the P400 display; that's
>>>> the unloaded generator output voltage... divide by 2 for the 50 ohm
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>> The diode is effectively driven by 25 ohms.
>>>>
>>>> Generator rise time is about 1 ns.
>>>>
>>>> In that last pic, you can see the diode holding up the falling edge of
>>>> the pulse for a couple of ns until it runs out of stored charge.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't expect various "1N914" parts to be super similar.
>>>
>>> Here is a first-pass model without a whole lot of data...
>>>
>>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/DeviceModelsSubckts/D1N4148_FO_RRSpice_Model_2017-02-01_10-01-02.png>
>>>
>>> for various rise/fall times...
>>>
>>> ** Analysis setup **
>>> .tran 200ns 200ns 0 10ps
>>> .STEP  PARAM TRF LIST
>>> + 100ps 1ns 10ns 20ns 50ns
>>> 		
>>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>
>> That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>
> You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
> divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
> I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
> prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
> 		
>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>

We aren't the ones doing the bragging at the moment, though, and an 
encrypted model wouldn't prove anything, any more than the silly screen 
shots do.

If your IP is that valuable, why take it to your grave?

And if money is your real reason for not posting the model, you have 
your business plan all wrong.  I published a major fraction of 
everything I know about technology in a book that has been the 
foundation of my consulting business.

If you were to write the H&H of modelling, you wouldn't have to be 
looking for work, believe me.  Folks would be better able to do the 
routine jobs in house, but they'd send you the interesting ones.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#445934

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-02-03 06:36 -0800
Message-ID<o724gn021up@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#445933
Phil Hobbs wrote...
>
> On 02/01/2017 01:28 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>> You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap...
>> I'm not going to divulge what's in the model...
>> unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>
> If you were to write the H&H of modelling, you
> wouldn't have to be looking for work, believe me.
> Folks would be better able to do the routine
> jobs in house, but they'd send you the
> interesting ones.

 I agree.  And anyway, Jim makes his $$ and most
 enjoys designing ICs.  Nobody will be able to
 match his skills at that, simply because he
 might teach people how to model better.  And as
 you say, giving away secrets increases business.
 Jim is getting along in years, and he should
 start creating a serious legacy.


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#446098

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-04 09:06 -0700
Message-ID<4vub9cloen6in7mo6c8dhb651hori0vch2@4ax.com>
In reply to#445934
On 3 Feb 2017 06:36:07 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:


[snip]

> Jim is getting along in years...

As are you ;-)
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#446111

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-04 09:30 -0800
Message-ID<n43c9cd04icerlsj5ivdcffvade69d54dc@4ax.com>
In reply to#446098
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:06:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On 3 Feb 2017 06:36:07 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
>wrote:
>
>
>[snip]
>
>> Jim is getting along in years...
>
>As are you ;-)
>		
>                                        ...Jim Thompson

AoE will be used and remembered, by the millions, for some years to
come.

Are you passing your IC design skills on to anyone? I try to teach my
kids everything that I know, and give away all but our few crown
jewels, publically and privately. (And none is encrypted!)

When people call with a problem for which we don't have a product or
time to address their problem, we help them if we can. Maybe a sketch,
a link, or we suggest another source. It's nice to do and
coincidentally it's good business.



-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#445941

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-03 08:09 -0700
Message-ID<86799cdepdp55vesshnropnd7c98aniptn@4ax.com>
In reply to#445933
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:26:03 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 02/01/2017 01:28 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:48:54 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

[snip]
>>>
>>> That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual.
>>
>> You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>> divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-}
>> I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS
>> prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*
>> 		
>>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>>
>
>We aren't the ones doing the bragging at the moment, though, and an 
>encrypted model wouldn't prove anything, any more than the silly screen 
>shots do.
>
[snip]

Running the encrypted model in LTspice and seeing the results wouldn't
prove anything ??
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#445947

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-02-03 11:08 -0500
Message-ID<yb2dna0H3qF7NwnFnZ2dnUU7-V3NnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#445941
On 02/03/2017 10:09 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:26:03 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/01/2017 01:28 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:48:54 -0800, John Larkin
>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As
>>>> usual.
>>>
>>> You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to
>>> divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model
>>> >:-} I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to
>>> get a DOS prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&*  ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>
>> We aren't the ones doing the bragging at the moment, though, and
>> an encrypted model wouldn't prove anything, any more than the
>> silly screen shots do.
>>
> [snip]
>
> Running the encrypted model in LTspice and seeing the results
> wouldn't prove anything ??

No, it wouldn't. Let me refresh your memory of what I actually wrote in
the "is there something wrong with PMOS" thread (with snippage restored):

> On 01/29/2017 10:59 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 04:43:37 -0800 (PST), pcdhobbs@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's generally nothing wrong with Spice... whatever the
>>>>>> flavor... IF the model is good.
 >>>>
>>>>> There are two issues, I think. The first is (as you say) that the mfg
>>>>> needs to make good models if possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second is more of a SPICE limitation: the D() facility doesn't
>>>>> include diffusion delays, which makes it intrinsically incapable of
>>>>> accounting for V_F overshoot, and the MESFET facility doesn't model
>>>>> real device behaviour such as the aforementioned self-biasing of
>>>>> pHEMTs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The one is a modelling issue, but the second is an intrinsic
>>>>> limitation of the simulator.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not to say that it can't be patched up, just that after N
>>>>> years we're still waiting. (Other more expensive tools may be better,
>>>>> of course.)


>>>>> The second is more of a SPICE limitation: the D() facility
>>>>> doesn't
>>>> include diffusion delays, which makes it intrinsically
>>>> incapable of accounting for V_F overshoot, and the MESFET
>>>> facility doesn't model real device behaviour such as the
>>>> aforementioned self-biasing of pHEMTs.
>>>
>>>> (1) Nonsense.  It's quite feasible to write such a MODEL.
>>>
>>> I've asked about SPICE modelling the forward overshoot of diodes
>>> both here and in the Yahoo LTspice group, and heard in both
>>> places that the SPICE D() facility is too stupid to model it. If
>>> you can produce a model for a 1N4148 that overshoots to 1.4 V or
>>> so on turn-on (about par for a real unit), and exhibits the same
>>> variation with dI/dt as a real one, I'll happily concede your
>>> point.
>>>
>>> It won't be using just D(), though, that's for sure.
>>
>> You're evading my point.  I said it is possible to write a proper
>> model.  It just hasn't been done (properly) yet, though I've
>> developed a model that's pretty close, it's not _perfect_... I
>> strive for perfection so I'm still playing with it as time permits
>
> I'm not evading your point, I'm disagreeing with it.  I claim that
> no such model exists, and you appear to agree.  Your faith in SPICE
> is touching but provably wrong--it can't model everything without
> hacking the simulator code, not merely the models.
>
> For something whose behaviour is fairly simple and which has wide
> device-to-device variations, such as a diode with diffusion
> overshoot, you can probably cruft together some subcircuit model
> that gets vaguely into the ballpark, maybe using the transmission
> line model to account for time delays.
>
> It sure won't be just D() with parameters, though.

Which you eventually agreed with, and apparently have built such a model 
for the simple step-excitation case.

I can't use it for anything because I don't use glass-package 1N914s any 
more except in crufty breadboards, and can't adjust it to fit other 
diodes.

And since it doesn't model actual diffusion behaviour, I have no reason 
to suppose that it would work in more complicated and realistic 
situations such as tone bursts in wideband noise.

If it were human-readable, I'd certainly read it, and might learn 
something.

But it isn't, which makes it entirely uninteresting.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The one is a modelling issue, but the second is an intrinsic
>>>> limitation of the simulator.
>>>
>>> (2) Nonsense.  Refer to (1) above.
>>>
>>> SPICE is a pretty capable solver for largish sparse systems of
>>> nonlinear OD
>>
>> Yes.  Pretty much as long as you can write an equation for it Spice
>> can solve it.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>
> No.  Not transport equations, as I said, and there are lots of other
> examples of integral or integrodifferential equations.  They're
> generally not reducible to systems of ODEs, because no ODE can be
> nonlocal, and so no solver limited to ODEs can handle them.
>
> You can't even write an ODE to describe a piece of coax from a
> circuits point of view--the SPICE transmission line isn't an ODE
> model, it's a special case, i.e. the simulator code has to be hacked
> up to support it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs

You see here that what I'm disagreeing with is your blanket statement, 
"Pretty much as long as you can write an equation for it Spice can solve 
it."  Which is provably false, as I said (and then proved).

Hacking together a subcircuit model that produces a similar curve is not 
solving the actual 1-D transport equation.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#445948

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-03 09:24 -0700
Message-ID<cjb99cp0kpujr9jijndrjdi7oic6dme12b@4ax.com>
In reply to#445947
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:08:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[snip]
>
>Hacking together a subcircuit model that produces a similar curve is not 
>solving the actual 1-D transport equation.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

Sorry.  It's behavior is that of diffusion.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#445952

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-02-03 11:33 -0500
Message-ID<o72b8g$82b$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#445948
On 02/03/2017 11:24 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:08:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>> Hacking together a subcircuit model that produces a similar curve is not
>> solving the actual 1-D transport equation.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
>
> Sorry.  It's behavior is that of diffusion.
> 		
>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>

Prove it.

You might have put in a Gaussian someplace, but that's bolting together 
special-case _solutions_, not solving the equation.  Solving is when you 
don't know the answer in advance.

And I'd bet ten dollars at even money that it won't do a good job on 
tone bursts in wideband noise, or even on pulses with a lot of fast ringing.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#445958

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-03 09:43 -0700
Message-ID<jfc99ctbcbussqib0f2at44a226tjp2bkn@4ax.com>
In reply to#445952
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:33:47 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 02/03/2017 11:24 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:08:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Hacking together a subcircuit model that produces a similar curve is not
>>> solving the actual 1-D transport equation.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>
>> Sorry.  It's behavior is that of diffusion.
>> 		
>>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>>
>
>Prove it.

I do not have to "prove" anything to you.  You are not an expert at
Spice behavioral modeling.  I am.

[snip

I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models I
provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.

Using terminology that you and Larkin are fond of invoking... do you
think your uninformed outbursts on this topic are helping your public
image ?>:-}

End of discussion.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#445962

Frompcdhobbs@gmail.com
Date2017-02-03 08:55 -0800
Message-ID<24919c2f-0b82-4f39-9086-257d3fbe8836@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#445958
>I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models I 
>provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.

Sure. I care about the truth, though, and am prepared to back up what I say with actual arguments. If I'm right, some folks might learn some things, and if I'm wrong, I learn some things too. So it's a win either way. 

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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#445968

FromTom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2017-02-03 17:05 +0000
Message-ID<mL2lA.526756$La3.354933@fx38.am4>
In reply to#445962
On 03/02/17 16:55, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
> If I'm right, some folks might learn some things,
> and if I'm wrong, I learn some things too. So it's
 > a win either way.

That seems so obvious to me that I'm always surprised
when other people don't see things that way.

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#445964

FromTom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2017-02-03 16:57 +0000
Message-ID<WD2lA.441161$vP3.279578@fx45.am4>
In reply to#445958
On 03/02/17 16:43, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:33:47 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2017 11:24 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:08:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Hacking together a subcircuit model that produces a similar curve is not
>>>> solving the actual 1-D transport equation.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>> Sorry.  It's behavior is that of diffusion.
>>> 		
>>>                                         ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> I do not have to "prove" anything to you.  You are not an expert at
> Spice behavioral modeling.  I am.
>
> [snip
>
> I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models I
> provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.
>
> Using terminology that you and Larkin are fond of invoking... do you
> think your uninformed outbursts on this topic are helping your public
> image ?>:-}
>
> End of discussion.

All models are, by definition, incomplete representations.
A key point about any modelling is being able to understand
the *limits* of the model.

Encryption defeats that.

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#445975

FromWinfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
Date2017-02-03 09:20 -0800
Message-ID<o72e4j02i0c@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#445958
Jim Thompson wrote...
>
> I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models
> I provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.

 Are you primarily selling models as an end product,
 or IC designs, in which you use your models to be
 confidant of the result?


-- 
 Thanks,
    - Win

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#445981

FromJim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com>
Date2017-02-03 10:58 -0700
Message-ID<fmg99clmr12mqpfvctiep2flvi66fvnpt9@4ax.com>
In reply to#445975
On 3 Feb 2017 09:20:19 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
wrote:

>Jim Thompson wrote...
>>
>> I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models
>> I provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.
>
> Are you primarily selling models as an end product,
> or IC designs, in which you use your models to be
> confidant of the result?

Right now my business is about 10/40/50 discrete/chip
design/behavioral modeling.

The behavioral models are for customer's chip designs that they wish
to keep the innards proprietary.

So they provide me with schematics and device-level netlists.

I exercise (exorcise sometimes ;-) them is PSpice and then simplify
the models to behavioral components that inhibit reverse engineering.

In particular my COSH(TANH(...)) OpAmp core model is virtually a
dead-on match to the device-level netlist, but totally useless to
anyone attempting to reverse engineer.

I'm cultivating the behavioral modeling end of my business because
it's fun (almost a puzzle-solving game ;-)... chip design, with my 55+
years of experience, has become pretty much a boring turn-the-crank
exercise... I've done it all before.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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#445983

FromJohn Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com>
Date2017-02-03 10:18 -0800
Message-ID<o6i99ch9d2f98qsj5d7iguibemfislmgs0@4ax.com>
In reply to#445981
On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 10:58:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On 3 Feb 2017 09:20:19 -0800, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote...
>>>
>>> I work on the basis that my customers are happy with the models
>>> I provide, not on any basis that requires your approval.
>>
>> Are you primarily selling models as an end product,
>> or IC designs, in which you use your models to be
>> confidant of the result?
>
>Right now my business is about 10/40/50 discrete/chip
>design/behavioral modeling.
>
>The behavioral models are for customer's chip designs that they wish
>to keep the innards proprietary.
>
>So they provide me with schematics and device-level netlists.
>
>I exercise (exorcise sometimes ;-) them is PSpice and then simplify
>the models to behavioral components that inhibit reverse engineering.
>
>In particular my COSH(TANH(...)) OpAmp core model is virtually a
>dead-on match to the device-level netlist, but totally useless to
>anyone attempting to reverse engineer.
>
>I'm cultivating the behavioral modeling end of my business because
>it's fun (almost a puzzle-solving game ;-)... chip design, with my 55+
>years of experience, has become pretty much a boring turn-the-crank
>exercise... I've done it all before.
>		
>                                        ...Jim Thompson

Only insecure people keep boasting about themselves. You are sounding
like Obama, lots of "I"s.

And what happened to "end of discussion" ?




-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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