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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery |
| Date | 2017-02-03 09:26 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <o723p2$a8j$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 02/01/2017 01:28 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:48:54 -0800, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:06:33 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:33:05 -0800, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:37:44 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nothing like a PhD telling me something can't be done to get my solver >>>>> genes working double-time... >>>>> >>>>> Over baby-back ribs at Firebirds this afternoon I realized how to >>>>> parameterize my method. >>>>> >>>>> But all the information I have is from "peer-reviewed" semi-BS IEEE >>>>> papers. >>>>> >>>>> Would someone be so kind as to take data on something common like a >>>>> 1N914... forward overshoot and reverse recovery at various slew rates >>>>> and current levels? >>>>> >>>>> Then I can fit a known object. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>>> I posted this previously: >>>> >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_a.JPG >>>> >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_b.JPG >>>> >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_c.JPG >>>> >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Diode_TurnOn/1N914_d.JPG >>>> >>>> >>>> That's a 1N914 from the middle of a 50-ohm transmission line to >>>> ground. You can see the pulse drive level on the P400 display; that's >>>> the unloaded generator output voltage... divide by 2 for the 50 ohm >>>> load. >>>> >>>> The diode is effectively driven by 25 ohms. >>>> >>>> Generator rise time is about 1 ns. >>>> >>>> In that last pic, you can see the diode holding up the falling edge of >>>> the pulse for a couple of ns until it runs out of stored charge. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't expect various "1N914" parts to be super similar. >>> >>> Here is a first-pass model without a whole lot of data... >>> >>> <http://www.analog-innovations.com/DeviceModelsSubckts/D1N4148_FO_RRSpice_Model_2017-02-01_10-01-02.png> >>> >>> for various rise/fall times... >>> >>> ** Analysis setup ** >>> .tran 200ns 200ns 0 10ps >>> .STEP PARAM TRF LIST >>> + 100ps 1ns 10ns 20ns 50ns >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >> >> That's not a model, it's a screenshot of some waveforms. As usual. > > You and Phil need to grow up and cut the crap... I'm not going to > divulge what's in the model... unless you want to pay for a model >:-} > I'll post an encrypted model as soon as I figure out how to get a DOS > prompt in Win7 !@#$%^&* > > ...Jim Thompson > We aren't the ones doing the bragging at the moment, though, and an encrypted model wouldn't prove anything, any more than the silly screen shots do. If your IP is that valuable, why take it to your grave? And if money is your real reason for not posting the model, you have your business plan all wrong. I published a major fraction of everything I know about technology in a book that has been the foundation of my consulting business. If you were to write the H&H of modelling, you wouldn't have to be looking for work, believe me. Folks would be better able to do the routine jobs in house, but they'd send you the interesting ones. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 17:37 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 17:33 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 18:38 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 17:50 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 19:13 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-01-31 14:11 +1100
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 19:32 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-01-31 15:46 +1100
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2017-01-31 12:00 -0600
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-31 18:50 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-31 08:23 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-03 17:27 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 17:53 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 10:06 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 09:48 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 11:28 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-01 18:59 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:02 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:07 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:15 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:27 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 14:45 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 15:54 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 15:37 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-03 19:54 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 09:26 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 06:36 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:06 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:30 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 08:09 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:08 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 09:24 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:33 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 09:43 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 08:55 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-03 17:05 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-03 16:57 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-03 09:20 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 10:58 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-03 10:18 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 11:28 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 12:34 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bulegoge@columbus.rr.com - 2017-02-03 08:26 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-03 11:34 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-03 18:31 -0600
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 17:26 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-04 09:08 -0600
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 08:28 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 12:33 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 13:50 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-04 14:03 -0600
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-05 08:26 +1100
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 11:14 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 10:31 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 11:20 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 11:38 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 12:54 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 11:32 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-05 09:07 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-05 19:01 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 10:16 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:01 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 08:07 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 12:38 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 10:23 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 19:08 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-03 18:24 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-03 20:10 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-04 01:50 -0500
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 08:26 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-04 07:42 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:02 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 09:41 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:43 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-04 16:42 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 08:08 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-04 10:27 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-04 10:34 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 15:44 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 16:29 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-04 17:32 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 18:58 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:14 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:20 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:36 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 19:45 +0000
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:45 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-04 09:44 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-01-30 20:32 -0600
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-01-30 19:44 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-01-30 19:46 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 11:57 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:03 -0800
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-01 12:07 -0700
Re: Spice Diode Modeling of Forward Overshoot & Reverse Recovery John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-01 11:10 -0800
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