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  OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 11:54 -0700
    Re: OT: slightly longer life Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 12:06 -0700
      Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 12:39 -0700
        Re: OT: slightly longer life Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 13:23 -0700
          Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 13:50 -0700
        Re: OT: slightly longer life krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-17 19:47 -0400
        Re: OT: slightly longer life rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 19:52 -0400
          Re: OT: slightly longer life krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-17 20:16 -0400
    Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-17 12:13 -0700
      Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 12:41 -0700
        Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-17 13:49 -0700
          Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 13:54 -0700
            Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-17 14:29 -0700
              Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 15:10 -0700
                Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-17 15:42 -0700
                  Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 16:05 -0700
                    Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-17 16:21 -0700
                      Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 16:50 -0700
                        Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-18 07:14 -0700
                          Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-18 08:28 -0700
                            Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-18 10:33 -0700
                          Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-18 08:38 -0700
                            Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-18 10:36 -0700
                              Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-19 08:32 -0700
                                Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-19 11:17 -0700
          Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 14:03 -0700
            Re: OT: slightly longer life rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:27 -0400
          Re: OT: slightly longer life John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-17 14:57 -0700
            Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 15:11 -0700
              Re: OT: slightly longer life John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-17 15:24 -0700
                Re: OT: slightly longer life rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:28 -0400
                  Re: OT: slightly longer life krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-18 12:45 -0400
            Re: slightly longer life "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-20 08:17 +0100
          Re: OT: slightly longer life krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-17 19:50 -0400
            Re: OT: slightly longer life mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2017-05-18 08:20 -0700
      Re: OT: slightly longer life Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-18 06:52 +1000
        Re: OT: slightly longer life Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-05-18 07:32 -0700
      Re: OT: slightly longer life John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-17 14:55 -0700
    Re: OT: slightly longer life John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-05-17 14:54 -0700
      Re: OT: slightly longer life bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-05-18 19:06 -0700
      Re: slightly longer life "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-20 08:25 +0100

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#460810

On 2017-05-18 08:28, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-17 16:50, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>> On 2017-05-17 16:05, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grains (or malt extract) are the main cost factors in
>>>>>>>> beer. I get my stuff in Minnisohtah:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.midwestsupplies.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice!  Buying by the sack saves money also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still a lowly extract brewer though. However, I am
>>>>>> keeping my eyes peeled for two-roller grain crusher. Some
>>>>>> day I want to do BIAB but must figure out a way to use two
>>>>>> bags instead of one, on account of a bad lower back. I
>>>>>> can't lift heavy stuff while bent over. Or rather, I can
>>>>>> but then I will pay for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grain doesn't save a lot of money or often none at all but
>>>>>> allows more mods. I usually brew two batches in a day.
>>>>>> Having only two 1kW electric burners under a tamale steamer
>>>>>> pot it takes time to heat. That means that time-wise I
>>>>>> might be able to do one all-grain and one extract session
>>>>>> if we have dinner a little later.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh.  I went with grains precisely because they're cheaper.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really. There is no way I can make five gallons of IPA,
>>>> Stout, Pale Ale, Cream Ale or American Wheat for $20 using
>>>> grain. Mostly because hops and all the other stuff adds cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah!  Do you use dried malt extract or syrups?  And your malt is
>>> only $20 for 5 gallons?
>>>
>>
>> I use both LME and DME. For a 5-gallon batch the base beers such as
>> a standard Pale Ale, IPA or Cream Ale cost me $20 including
>> everything, malt, specialty grains (steeped in), hops, yeast and
>> even the corn sugar for bottle carbonation. Plus shipping which
>> adds $6-7 unless I can sneak in a free-ship deal.
>
>
> I am impressed.  I might just try LME and DME next time; the settling
> times for my all-grain methods take a few hours.
>

That would be too much time for me. I figured that BIAB would add about 
1h to the process. In reality 1-1/2h but for beers that need specialty 
grains steeped in which is the case for most of them I'd save that 1/2h. 
This should still allow brewing two beers in one day if the 2nd one use 
an extract process.


> I took a peek at one of my favorite recipes (a Zywiec Polish beer
> clone) and it would cost me $18 in LME, vs $9 for all-grain.  All the
> rest of the flavor malts, yeast, etc. are the same (except for the
> hops; I think the recipe said to use slightly less hops if using
> all-grain).  That's for 5 gallons though, and I usually only make 2
> gallons at a time due to not having gigantic pots and carboys.  So
> I'm looking at saving only $4 or so, dividing everything by two.
>

$9 for all grain? Must be a very light beer. For summer those can be 
great and I am looking at making one soon. Something that only has 4% ABV.

>
>>> I'll consider DME if the economics shake out.  Huh.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> This is a recipe for that RIS I mentioned.
>>> http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=238807
>>>
>>
>> That is one big beer. My wife wouldn't like it but I sure would.
>
>
> When I make big beers, I make a second light beer with the leftover
> flavor and sugars in the grains :)
>

Good plan! Don't let anything go to waste. In my case any spent grains 
go to chickens that friends have. EDH Brewing in El Dorado Hills makes 
grain crackers from some of them (rest goes to a farm as well) but when 
I tried they just crumbled. Tasted good though.

>
>>> A 50 pound sack goes for about $45 at Brewmeister, so rounding
>>> that off to $1/lb... that's $17 for the base malt... 4 pounds of
>>> specialty malt at $2/lb is $8... Say $5 for the hops and yeast
>>> (can use for maybe 2 more batches, so $15 for all hops and yeast,
>>> spread out over 3 batches)
>>>
>>> So say $30 for 5 gallons :)
>>>
>>
>> That's ok. The Belgian Tripel costs me $50 even from Midwest but
>> worth every drop.
>>
>
>
> What's the recipe?  I'm curious now.  Is it available online?  :)
>

It's this recipe kit:

https://www.midwestsupplies.com/belgian-tripel-extract-beer-kit

https://www.midwestsupplies.com/downloads/dl/file/id/623/product/7769/belgian_tripel_instructions.pdf

Absolutely requires a sizeable blow-off hose.

>
>> I use carboys for secondary (the blue water cooler bottles). They
>> only offer 5-gal total and are really hard to clean. My primaries
>> are 6-1/2 gallon food grade pails. Even there I now have spots
>> where the beer kind of "etched itself in". PBW can't get it out
>> anymore so there may come a day where I need new pails.
>
>
> Bottle brush?  Sometimes just filling with water and letting it sit
> for a few days helps too.
>

I tried it and the stains are hard to get off. Some beers have to sit in 
secondary for a month and over that time stuff cakes itself in.

>
>>> 1/2 tsp of yeast per gallon... that should be enough :o
>>>
>>
>> So far I haven't quite understood the whole over/underpitched
>> science. I mean, yeast makes lots of offspring so even if you have
>> too little in there it should produced more and more cells.
>
>
> The idea is to give the yeast a head-start vs. the natural bacteria
> and wild yeast.  Of course there is such a thing as too much...
> *boom*
>

Yes, that is always my concern when the lag is too long. So far, 
knocking on wood, none of the beers turned funky.


> But actually I'm interested in one wild yeast: Saccharomyces
> diastaticus.  It gives a bad flavor to the beer but is interesting
> for fuel alcohol production because it has the amylase enzymes
> built-in (the same enzymes which chop up the barley starches into
> sugars when malting at 150 F).
>

Mraz Brewing in El Dorado Hills specializes in sour beers. I am not a 
huge fan of those but some people drive 50 miles just to get a growler 
of one of them.

Risky business. It can contaminate a whole brewery. Supposedly that's 
what shut down Pyramid but others say it was to get out from underneath 
a union.

>
>>>> Right now the Pale Ale and IPA are a bit recalcitrant. The IPA
>>>> is at 29h fermentation lag and hasn't started a bit. The Pale
>>>> Ale is at 24h and shows very tepid yeast activity. Got to shake
>>>> the buckets some more later tonight to kick things into gear.
>>>> With living organisms such as yeast one never knows.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeast need oxygen for the growth phase.  Did you aerate before
>>> pitching the yeast?  I aerate by hand-pouring two cups at a time
>>> with a sanitized measuring cup from my pot to the fermenter (but
>>> I only use 1-gallon jugs, so they're not so heavy).
>>>
>>
>> After cooling I rack the wort from the brew kettle into the
>> fermenter buckets. I use a 3/4" PVC tee from irrigation pipe where
>> I sawed a slot into the T-part. A plastic clamp slid in with the
>> hose holds the hose upwards at an angle of 20-30 degrees and this
>> causes the wort to splash in. Occasionally I place the tee at
>> another area on the rim of the bucket so it aerates other sections.
>> At the end I usually have several inches of foam on top of the wort
>> in the fermenter. So much that when I use dry yeast I have to push
>> the foam around with a sanitized strainer ladle to be able to
>> sprinkle the yeast onto the form surface and not have it riding on
>> the foam.
>>
>> The IPA has now kicked into gear with healthy air lock activity but
>> the Pale Ale is still tepid (but li'l bubbles are coming). I figure
>> I can always open a pouch of US-05 and pitch it in later but so far
>> I didn't have to do that with any beer.
>
>
> Safale US-05 always works; that's been my experience :)
>

Yes, it seems to be the go-to staple in brewing these days.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#460785

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:

> > This is a recipe for that RIS I mentioned.
> > http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=238807
> >
> 
> That is one big beer. My wife wouldn't like it but I sure would.


If you're in the area, let me know and I'll give you a bottle.  My cousin who likes it is in the Los Angeles area, and nobody else (including myself) drinks it.  I'll trade you for a low Rds,on mosfet if you happen to have one on you :)

Michael

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#460811

On 2017-05-18 08:38, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>
>>> This is a recipe for that RIS I mentioned.
>>> http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=238807
>>>
>>
>> That is one big beer. My wife wouldn't like it but I sure would.
>
>
> If you're in the area, let me know and I'll give you a bottle.  My
> cousin who likes it is in the Los Angeles area, and nobody else
> (including myself) drinks it.  I'll trade you for a low Rds,on mosfet
> if you happen to have one on you :)
>

I'd have to take off all day, then maybe it works depending on where you 
live. I often get as far as the Hazel Avenue bridge but that's nose to 
the handlebar and riding full bore most of the time.

I live in Cameron Park near the air strip so I always have to give 
myself enough time to claw back the 1400ft in altitude with lots of us 
and downs.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#460932

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:36:13 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-05-18 08:38, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
> >
> >>> This is a recipe for that RIS I mentioned.
> >>> http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=238807
> >>>
> >>
> >> That is one big beer. My wife wouldn't like it but I sure would.
> >
> >
> > If you're in the area, let me know and I'll give you a bottle.  My
> > cousin who likes it is in the Los Angeles area, and nobody else
> > (including myself) drinks it.  I'll trade you for a low Rds,on mosfet
> > if you happen to have one on you :)
> >
> 
> I'd have to take off all day, then maybe it works depending on where you 
> live. I often get as far as the Hazel Avenue bridge but that's nose to 
> the handlebar and riding full bore most of the time.
> 
> I live in Cameron Park near the air strip so I always have to give 
> myself enough time to claw back the 1400ft in altitude with lots of us 
> and downs.
> 
> -- 
> Regards, Joerg
> 
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/



Well if somehow you end up between Howe and Bradshaw around Hwy 50 around lunchtime let me know.  

Michael

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#460966

On 2017-05-19 08:32, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:36:13 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-18 08:38, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is a recipe for that RIS I mentioned.
>>>>> http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=238807
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is one big beer. My wife wouldn't like it but I sure would.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're in the area, let me know and I'll give you a bottle.  My
>>> cousin who likes it is in the Los Angeles area, and nobody else
>>> (including myself) drinks it.  I'll trade you for a low Rds,on mosfet
>>> if you happen to have one on you :)
>>>
>>
>> I'd have to take off all day, then maybe it works depending on where you
>> live. I often get as far as the Hazel Avenue bridge but that's nose to
>> the handlebar and riding full bore most of the time.
>>
>> I live in Cameron Park near the air strip so I always have to give
>> myself enough time to claw back the 1400ft in altitude with lots of us
>> and downs.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Joerg
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>
>
>
> Well if somehow you end up between Howe and Bradshaw around Hwy 50 around lunchtime let me know.
>

That's beyond bicycle reach on a regular day but maybe some day by car. 
Then I'll bring a homebrew :-)

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#460700

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 1:49:27 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
> >> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
> >>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> And...
> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
> >> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
> >> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
> >> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
> >>
> >> -- Regards, Joerg
> >>
> >> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
> >
> >
> > "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
> > expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
> > running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
> > the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
> > death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
> > also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
> >
> > Note sure why that is :)
> >
> > "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
> > does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
> > capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
> > run."
> >
> > So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
> >
> 
> If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
> can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
> 
> http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
> 
> Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
> 
> -- 
> Regards, Joerg
> 
> http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Wine, huh.  That also reminds me - there was some discussion that the statistics which show longer life if you drink some alcohol vs. none, are skewed because the non-drinking group contains former alcoholics who were so close to death, they had to give up alcohol altogether.

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#460777

On 5/17/2017 5:03 PM, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 1:49:27 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> And...
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>>>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>>>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>>>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>>>>
>>>> -- Regards, Joerg
>>>>
>>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>>> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>>> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>>> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>>> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>>> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>>>
>>> Note sure why that is :)
>>>
>>> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>>> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>>> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>>> run."
>>>
>>> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>>>
>>
>> If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That
>> can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>>
>> http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>>
>> Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Joerg
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>
>
> Wine, huh.  That also reminds me - there was some discussion that the statistics which show longer life if you drink some alcohol vs. none, are skewed because the non-drinking group contains former alcoholics who were so close to death, they had to give up alcohol altogether.

Doesn't it also include the ones who never gave up drinking and 
literally drank themselves to death?

-- 

Rick C

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#460706

On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>And...
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>>>
>>> -- Regards, Joerg
>>>
>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>
>>
>> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>>
>> Note sure why that is :)
>>
>> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>> run."
>>
>> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>>
>
>If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
>can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>
>http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>
>Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.

Lots of salt is good for you.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#460709

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
> >>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
> >>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >And...
> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
> >>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
> >>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
> >>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
> >>>
> >>> -- Regards, Joerg
> >>>
> >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
> >> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
> >> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
> >> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
> >> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
> >> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
> >>
> >> Note sure why that is :)
> >>
> >> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
> >> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
> >> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
> >> run."
> >>
> >> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
> >>
> >
> >If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
> >can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
> >
> >http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
> >
> >Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
> 
> Lots of salt is good for you.
> 
> 


I've heard that lately too in the news, but am skeptical because many people in the Philippines have died of kidney problems possibly due to eating too much salted fish (poorer folks just salt the fish to preserve it instead of refrigerating, since refrigerators are expensive).

Michael

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#460710

On Wed, 17 May 2017 15:11:43 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>> >>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>> >>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >And...
>> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>> >>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>> >>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>> >>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Regards, Joerg
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>> >> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>> >> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>> >> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>> >> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>> >> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>> >>
>> >> Note sure why that is :)
>> >>
>> >> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>> >> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>> >> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>> >> run."
>> >>
>> >> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>> >>
>> >
>> >If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
>> >can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>> >
>> >http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>> >
>> >Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
>> 
>> Lots of salt is good for you.
>> 
>> 
>
>
>I've heard that lately too in the news, but am skeptical because many people in the Philippines have died of kidney problems possibly due to eating too much salted fish (poorer folks just salt the fish to preserve it instead of refrigerating, since refrigerators are expensive).
>
>Michael

Be skeptical of all nutritional studies. Most turn out to be wrong.

I avoid eating foods that contain large amounts of broken glass.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#460779

On 5/17/2017 6:24 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017 15:11:43 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>>>>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> And...
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>>>>>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>>>>>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>>>>>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Regards, Joerg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>>>>> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>>>>> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>>>>> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>>>>> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>>>>> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>>>>>
>>>>> Note sure why that is :)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>>>>> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>>>>> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>>>>> run."
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That
>>>> can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>>>>
>>>> http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>>>>
>>>> Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
>>>
>>> Lots of salt is good for you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard that lately too in the news, but am skeptical because many people in the Philippines have died of kidney problems possibly due to eating too much salted fish (poorer folks just salt the fish to preserve it instead of refrigerating, since refrigerators are expensive).
>>
>> Michael
>
> Be skeptical of all nutritional studies. Most turn out to be wrong.

Including the studies you believe?

-- 

Rick C

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#460801

On Thu, 18 May 2017 10:28:15 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/17/2017 6:24 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 May 2017 15:11:43 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>>>>>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> And...
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>>>>>>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>>>>>>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>>>>>>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Regards, Joerg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>>>>>> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>>>>>> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>>>>>> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>>>>>> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>>>>>> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note sure why that is :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>>>>>> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>>>>>> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>>>>>> run."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That
>>>>> can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of salt is good for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard that lately too in the news, but am skeptical because many people in the Philippines have died of kidney problems possibly due to eating too much salted fish (poorer folks just salt the fish to preserve it instead of refrigerating, since refrigerators are expensive).
>>>
>>> Michael
>>
>> Be skeptical of all nutritional studies. Most turn out to be wrong.
>
>Including the studies you believe?

Don't believe any.  

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#461019 — Re: slightly longer life

>"John Larkin"  wrote in message 
>news:qohphc9cedhl3vo0p79aatu4ac050l9j65@4ax.com...


>>
>
>If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That
>can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>
>>http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>
>>Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.

>Lots of salt is good for you.

Bollocks.


-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html 

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#460727

On Wed, 17 May 2017 13:49:30 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-05-17 12:41, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>And...
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional
>>> life per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>>>
>>> -- Regards, Joerg
>>>
>>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/
>>
>>
>> "Meanwhile, other kinds of exercise also reliably benefited life
>> expectancy, the researchers found, but not to the same degree as
>> running. Walking, cycling and other activities, even if they required
>> the same exertion as running, typically dropped the risk of premature
>> death by about 12 percent. (To make my own biases clear, I run but I
>> also love cycling and I walk my dogs every day.)"
>>
>> Note sure why that is :)
>>
>> "Of course, these additions “are not infinite,” Dr. Lee says. Running
>> does not make people immortal. The gains in life expectancy are
>> capped at around three extra years, he says, however much people
>> run."
>>
>> So much for the Methuselah plan.  Maybe Enoch?  :)
>>
>
>If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
>can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
>
>http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
>
>Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.

Eating adds a lot more than 6 1/2 years!  Try stopping and see how
long you live.'

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#460782

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 4:50:15 PM UTC-7, k...@notreal.com wrote:

~zap~

> >If it is capped to three years then there are easier plans: Eating! That 
> >can supposedly add 6-1/2 years :-)
> >
> >http://newagejournal.com/how-to-add-more-years-to-your-life
> >
> >Sadly beer didn't make that list. I started home-brewing again last year.
> 
> Eating adds a lot more than 6 1/2 years!  Try stopping and see how
> long you live.'


You guys are hilarious :D

Michael

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#460698

On 18/05/17 05:13, Joerg wrote:
> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>> And...
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional life
> per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)

Cycling compared to running uses energy in roughly a 1:4 ratio over 
distance. 4000mi of cycling is huge! but probably correlates to only
1000mi of running.

I don't see the study compensating for the fact that people with the
gumption to run are probably willing to make many other life-extending
sacrifices too. That doesn't mean that any couch potato who starts
running will do the same.

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#460780

On 2017-05-17 13:52, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 18/05/17 05:13, Joerg wrote:
>> On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>>
>>> And...
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>>
>> So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 4000mi each
>> year, assuming an average speed of 11mph with the hills and all, I
>> should be adding a whopping 2545 hours or 0.3 years of additional life
>> per year. So I'll be like Methusaleh some day :-)
>
> Cycling compared to running uses energy in roughly a 1:4 ratio over
> distance. 4000mi of cycling is huge! but probably correlates to only
> 1000mi of running.
>

About half of those are hard miles. Trails with ruts and embedded 
boulders, steep ups and downs, standing in the pedals, then braking 
hard, standing in the pedals again. After 10-15 miles my T-shirt is 
totally drenched which is why I carry an empty yoghurt pot. When I come 
by a creek I splash water over myself until the sweat in the T-shirt is 
replaced by water. This also avoids arriving at the brewpub smelling 
like a gym bag.


> I don't see the study compensating for the fact that people with the
> gumption to run are probably willing to make many other life-extending
> sacrifices too. That doesn't mean that any couch potato who starts
> running will do the same.


There is a lot that somewhat sporty people can do. Even at work one can 
place things in a way that it doesn't cost extra time but actions 
require muscle use. For example, two books I need often are the bible 
and then AoE if I want to explain stuff to others. Their assigned shelf 
spot is, on purpose, slightly beyond reach so I have to get out of the 
chair every time. Same for important binders and such. Canon must have 
had our health in mind as well when they messed up the scanning firmware 
for the MF4890. I have to get up, press some buttons and then within 
very few seconds hit some other buttons on the PC. Else things time out.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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#460705

On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:13:13 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2017-05-17 11:54, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
>> Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>> https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>>
>> And...
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>>
>
>So let's see, I assume bicycling hard counts just as well. 

No, sorry, only running counts. But the good news is that it doesn't
matter how much you run.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#460704

On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

>Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
>https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
>
>And...
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
>
>Later,
>
>Michael

Sounds iffy. When there is no dose-rate effect, it often means
something else is going on.

The majority of such studies turn out to be wrong.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#460893

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 7:54:34 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> >Just 5 min/day of running, huh.
> >https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/running-just-5-minutes-a-day-has-long-lasting-benefits/
> >
> >And...
> >https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/well/move/an-hour-of-running-may-add-seven-hours-to-your-life.html
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >Michael
> 
> Sounds iffy. When there is no dose-rate effect, it often means
> something else is going on.
> 
> The majority of such studies turn out to be wrong.

When John Larkin posts this kind of claim you have to figure in that he mostly doesn't understand what the reports about the studies were actually saying, and that his idea of "wrong" includes "disagrees with conclusions presented on a denialist web-site".

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney 

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