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| First post | 2016-11-04 13:04 -0500 |
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NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2016-11-04 13:04 -0500
Re: NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-04 20:23 +0000
Re: NASAs most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-11-04 18:24 -0400
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-05 11:34 -0400
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-08 09:51 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-08 14:59 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-09 02:33 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-09 18:03 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 08:08 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 09:29 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 10:03 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 10:27 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-10 03:54 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 14:23 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 14:41 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 16:06 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 12:53 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 13:40 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 19:24 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:33 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2016-11-11 13:23 +0100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-11 17:12 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 12:48 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-11 18:17 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 13:20 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-11 13:29 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 01:57 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-14 11:26 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-11 18:41 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-11 13:42 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:33 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 14:21 -0600
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:38 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:52 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:49 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 17:59 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 09:05 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 09:41 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 14:57 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 10:03 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-12 18:46 +0100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 13:46 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 19:30 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-13 00:56 +0100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:19 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 22:44 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 18:47 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:29 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-13 12:00 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 18:29 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-13 13:52 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 19:22 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 19:36 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-15 00:47 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-15 04:47 +0100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:06 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 23:53 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 19:59 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:53 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:31 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 09:25 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 17:29 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 17:36 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-15 00:08 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:49 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-13 01:10 +0100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 19:47 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 17:56 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:20 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 00:50 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 20:06 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 01:50 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:08 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 17:34 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-12 18:44 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 09:20 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:09 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-14 08:44 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-14 09:36 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-14 12:21 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-14 16:55 -0800
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 13:44 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2016-11-13 09:00 +1100
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:21 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-13 10:46 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:10 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:55 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:29 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 20:15 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:26 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-10 13:02 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-11 17:49 +0000
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 13:00 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:36 -0500
Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 19:34 +0000
Re: NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-05 09:16 +0000
Re: NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2016-11-05 11:07 -0500
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 18:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <e8p2scF8lp0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #435090 |
Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: > Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. > Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far the biggest group of haters are the religious. And are they proud that their $GOD can safely hide behind their broad back! Works best for those who have nothing else to be proud on. Gerhard (Maybe the few Jains exempted and it fits the picture that they don't have gods.)
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| From | "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 13:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <o07o3n$ca8$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #435130 |
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: > >> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. > > When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far > the biggest group of haters are the religious. When you look at the whole world as bifurcated between theist and atheist maybe, but you must note a difference between Mulims and Buddhists, and with Russians, Chinese, and Sweeds (all 3 atheist) so aggression doesn't really correlate with religion. There's even a big difference between the Arab immigrants in Afghanistan where men are required to have a beard, and Morocco where shaving is a ritual. Their whole set of attitudes is different and they have the same religion.
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 19:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <15KVz.103419$UM.9764@fx40.am4> |
| In reply to | #435130 |
On 12/11/16 17:46, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: > >> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. > > When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far > the biggest group of haters are the religious. Most religions will have something equivalent to Christ's "job specification" for the people who would spread Christianity, viz: Luke 14 25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. Not a good starting point, and one which usually isn't taught by parents to their offspring :) > (Maybe the few Jains exempted and it fits the picture > that they don't have gods.) Neither do Buddhists, but despite their pacifist reputation, they can be pretty nasty to each other. "People are people" just about sums it up.
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 00:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <e8pohnFdn7aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #435166 |
Am 12.11.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Tom Gardner: > On 12/11/16 17:46, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > >> (Maybe the few Jains exempted and it fits the picture >> that they don't have gods.) > > Neither do Buddhists, but despite their pacifist > reputation, they can be pretty nasty to each other. Yes, they can be flexible. In Nepal, I used to see home altars with pictures of the Buddha, HH the Dalai Lama, the king (who claimed to be a divine reincarnation, but Hindu style) and.... Bruce Lee. Nowadays, the king has probably dropped out of the quartet. And in the mahayana Buddhism, all kinds of deities are sorted in again, whatever the surrounding substrates may offer. regards, Gerhard
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| From | krw <krw@somewhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 17:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <l85f2c5v2brrm2bo0gq80407gnmc4baitl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #435130 |
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: > >> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. > >When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >the biggest group of haters are the religious. No, you're just projecting your hate on them. > >And are they proud that their $GOD can safely hide >behind their broad back! >Works best for those who have nothing else to be proud on. No need to say more. Your hatred is dripping already.
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 22:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <tXMVz.106575$UM.37236@fx40.am4> |
| In reply to | #435211 |
On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann > <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: > >> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >> >>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >> >> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >> the biggest group of haters are the religious. > > No, you're just projecting your hate on them. What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? Seems explicit and unambiguous to me.
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| From | krw <krw@somewhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 18:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <o7af2chd57ee38gmbjvunbgc3rs8rh178i@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #435219 |
On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>> >>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>> >>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >> >> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. > >What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? > >Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before family. Did you have a point?
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 08:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <pvVVz.115983$EP.73828@fx23.am4> |
| In reply to | #435237 |
On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner > <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>> >>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>>> >>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >>> >>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >> >> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >> >> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. > > Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? > > OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion > (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before > family. Did you have a point? You really do have comprehension problems, and/or a remarkable ability to turn a blind eye to things you don't want to see. That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* their family etc. Not dislike, not distrust, not have second priority, but *hate*. Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not *hate* father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. (My *emphasis*)
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 12:00 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <a974ad0b-43b3-d30f-b6ff-1e3820afd5af@electrooptical.net> |
| In reply to | #435302 |
On 11/13/2016 03:29 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: > On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>> >>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in >>>>>> learning. Rather, you're interested in hating the >>>>>> religious. >>>>> >>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far the biggest >>>>> group of haters are the religious. >>>> >>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>> >>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>> >>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >> >> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >> >> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even >> before family. Did you have a point? > > You really do have comprehension problems, and/or a remarkable > ability to turn a blind eye to things you don't want to see. > > That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* their family etc. Not > dislike, not distrust, not have second priority, but *hate*. > > Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not *hate* father and > mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own > life—such a person cannot be my disciple. > > (My *emphasis*) > > You misunderstand. All over Scripture, we're commanded to love our neighbour as ourselves, and God's love for us is likened to both the love of parents for children and (surprisingly) eros--the Church is called the Bride of Christ. Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole to emphasize that we have to love God more than anything or anyone else. That's the teaching of the Church from earliest times as well. The passage you're misquoting is Luke 14:25-26. Jesus is being followed by large crowds, and he's teaching them that there's more to discipleship than that: following him involves letting go of the whole world. The pericope reads in full: Luke 14:25 Now great multitudes accompanied him; and he turned and said to them, Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? Luke 14:29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, Luke 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build, and was not able to finish.' Luke 14:31 Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Luke 14:32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends an embassy and asks terms of peace. Luke 14:33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple. He says the same sort of thing quite a lot, e.g. in the parables of the buried treasure and the pearl of great price: Matthew 13:44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up; then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. Matthew 13:45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls, Matthew 13:46 who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold all that he had and bought it. Heaven lasts forever, and is God's free gift to us--all we have to do is to say 'yes' and mean it. It's just that meaning it means valuing the gift at its true worth, which is far more than everything else we have. It's not that we shouldn't love our families, or save for the future, or have a good time, not at all. Loving God makes us love our earthly families more, not less. But all those things have to come second. You see, it's fatally easy to delude ourselves into thinking that we're disciples of Christ, and then discover too late that we were really holding on to something else more tightly--pride, security, hatred, self-righteousness, our houses, the good opinion of our family and friends, lots of things--so that we hadn't really said 'yes' at all. God doesn't want our stuff, he wants _us_, because he loves us. That's why it's the Good News. Cheers Phil Hobbs
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 18:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <ri2Wz.120032$UM.85864@fx40.am4> |
| In reply to | #435357 |
On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote: > Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole... So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole in many other cases too, e.g. Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... I must admit that is convenient, since it means that I can interpret the Bible in just about any way that suits my purposes.
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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 13:52 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <o0acoa$fi4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #435379 |
On 11/13/2016 01:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >> On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote:> On 11/13/2016 03:29 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: >>> On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in >>>>>>>> learning. Rather, you're interested in hating the >>>>>>>> religious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far the biggest >>>>>>> group of haters are the religious. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>>>> >>>>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >>>> >>>> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >>>> >>>> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >>>> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even >>>> before family. Did you have a point? >>> >>> You really do have comprehension problems, and/or a remarkable >>> ability to turn a blind eye to things you don't want to see. >>> >>> That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* their family etc. Not >>> dislike, not distrust, not have second priority, but *hate*. >>> >>> Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not *hate* father and >>> mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >>> life—such a person cannot be my disciple. >>> >>> (My *emphasis*) >>> >>> >> You misunderstand. >> >> All over Scripture, we're commanded to love our neighbour as ourselves, >> and God's love for us is likened to both the love of parents for >> children and (surprisingly) eros--the Church is called the Bride of Christ. >> >> Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole to emphasize that we have to >> love God more than anything or anyone else. That's the teaching of the >> Church from earliest times as well. >> >> The passage you're misquoting is Luke 14:25-26. Jesus is being followed >> by large crowds, and he's teaching them that there's more to >> discipleship than that: following him involves letting go of the whole >> world. The pericope reads in full: >> >> Luke 14:25 Now great multitudes accompanied him; and he turned and said >> to them, >> >> Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and >> mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his >> own life, he cannot be my disciple. >> >> Luke 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot >> be my disciple. >> >> Luke 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first >> sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? >> >> Luke 14:29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to >> finish, all who see it begin to mock him, >> >> Luke 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build, and was not able to finish.' >> >> Luke 14:31 Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will >> not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand >> to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? >> >> Luke 14:32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends >> an embassy and asks terms of peace. >> >> Luke 14:33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he >> has cannot be my disciple. >> >> >> He says the same sort of thing quite a lot, e.g. in the parables of the >> buried treasure and the pearl of great price: >> >> Matthew 13:44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, >> which a man found and covered up; then in his joy he goes and sells all >> that he has and buys that field. >> >> Matthew 13:45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search >> of fine pearls, >> >> Matthew 13:46 who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold >> all that he had and bought it. >> >> Heaven lasts forever, and is God's free gift to us--all we have to do is >> to say 'yes' and mean it. It's just that meaning it means valuing the >> gift at its true worth, which is far more than everything else we have. >> It's not that we shouldn't love our families, or save for the future, >> or have a good time, not at all. Loving God makes us love our earthly >> families more, not less. But all those things have to come second. >> >> You see, it's fatally easy to delude ourselves into thinking that we're >> disciples of Christ, and then discover too late that we were really >> holding on to something else more tightly--pride, security, hatred, >> self-righteousness, our houses, the good opinion of our family and >> friends, lots of things--so that we hadn't really said 'yes' at all. >> >> God doesn't want our stuff, he wants _us_, because he loves us. That's why it's the Good News. (Snippage restored.) > > So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole > in many other cases too, e.g. > Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... You presume a lot. ;) I didn't say "invariable rabbinic hyperbole", just that it's a rhetorical trope. > > I must admit that is convenient, since it means > that I can interpret the Bible in just about any > way that suits my purposes. You seem to be doing that already. How about cutting it up into ransom notes? Then you could have new vocabulary as well. "Oh look, I found curse words in the Bible!" ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 19:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <w33Wz.63936$RN.21279@fx09.am4> |
| In reply to | #435384 |
On 13/11/16 18:52, Phil Hobbs wrote: > On 11/13/2016 01:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >>> On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote:> On 11/13/2016 03:29 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: >>>> On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>>>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in >>>>>>>>> learning. Rather, you're interested in hating the >>>>>>>>> religious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far the biggest >>>>>>>> group of haters are the religious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >>>>> >>>>> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >>>>> >>>>> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >>>>> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even >>>>> before family. Did you have a point? >>>> >>>> You really do have comprehension problems, and/or a remarkable >>>> ability to turn a blind eye to things you don't want to see. >>>> >>>> That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* their family etc. Not >>>> dislike, not distrust, not have second priority, but *hate*. >>>> >>>> Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not *hate* father and >>>> mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >>>> life—such a person cannot be my disciple. >>>> >>>> (My *emphasis*) >>>> >>>> >>> You misunderstand. >>> >>> All over Scripture, we're commanded to love our neighbour as ourselves, >>> and God's love for us is likened to both the love of parents for >>> children and (surprisingly) eros--the Church is called the Bride of Christ. >>> >>> Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole to emphasize that we have to >>> love God more than anything or anyone else. That's the teaching of the >>> Church from earliest times as well. >>> >>> The passage you're misquoting is Luke 14:25-26. Jesus is being followed >>> by large crowds, and he's teaching them that there's more to >>> discipleship than that: following him involves letting go of the whole >>> world. The pericope reads in full: >>> >>> Luke 14:25 Now great multitudes accompanied him; and he turned and said >>> to them, >>> >>> Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and >>> mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his >>> own life, he cannot be my disciple. >>> >>> Luke 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot >>> be my disciple. >>> >>> Luke 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first >>> sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? >>> >>> Luke 14:29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to >>> finish, all who see it begin to mock him, >>> >>> Luke 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build, and was not able to finish.' >>> >>> Luke 14:31 Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will >>> not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand >>> to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? >>> >>> Luke 14:32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends >>> an embassy and asks terms of peace. >>> >>> Luke 14:33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he >>> has cannot be my disciple. >>> >>> >>> He says the same sort of thing quite a lot, e.g. in the parables of the >>> buried treasure and the pearl of great price: >>> >>> Matthew 13:44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, >>> which a man found and covered up; then in his joy he goes and sells all >>> that he has and buys that field. >>> >>> Matthew 13:45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search >>> of fine pearls, >>> >>> Matthew 13:46 who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold >>> all that he had and bought it. >>> >>> Heaven lasts forever, and is God's free gift to us--all we have to do is >>> to say 'yes' and mean it. It's just that meaning it means valuing the >>> gift at its true worth, which is far more than everything else we have. >>> It's not that we shouldn't love our families, or save for the future, >>> or have a good time, not at all. Loving God makes us love our earthly >>> families more, not less. But all those things have to come second. >>> >>> You see, it's fatally easy to delude ourselves into thinking that we're >>> disciples of Christ, and then discover too late that we were really >>> holding on to something else more tightly--pride, security, hatred, >>> self-righteousness, our houses, the good opinion of our family and >>> friends, lots of things--so that we hadn't really said 'yes' at all. >>> >>> God doesn't want our stuff, he wants _us_, because he loves us. That's why >>> it's the Good News. > > (Snippage restored.) >> >> So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole >> in many other cases too, e.g. >> Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... > > You presume a lot. ;) I didn't say "invariable rabbinic hyperbole", just that > it's a rhetorical trope. > >> >> I must admit that is convenient, since it means >> that I can interpret the Bible in just about any >> way that suits my purposes. > > You seem to be doing that already. Well, why not join the club; everybody else does it :) Seems to be pretty much de rigueur in this group :( > How about cutting it up into ransom notes? > Then you could have new vocabulary as well. "Oh look, I found curse words in > the Bible!" ;) Because the "curse concepts" are more interesting :)
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-14 19:36 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <o0dl92$2v0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #435379 |
On 11/13/2016 1:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: > On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole... > > So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole > in many other cases too, e.g. > Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... > > I must admit that is convenient, since it means > that I can interpret the Bible in just about any > way that suits my purposes. Who is to stop you? -- Rick C
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-15 00:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <7WsWz.197626$2P.179818@fx38.am4> |
| In reply to | #435631 |
On 15/11/16 00:36, rickman wrote: > On 11/13/2016 1:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >> On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole... >> >> So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole >> in many other cases too, e.g. >> Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... >> >> I must admit that is convenient, since it means >> that I can interpret the Bible in just about any >> way that suits my purposes. > > Who is to stop you? Typically Bible bashers would like to. (Luckily we don't have religious thought police over here.) But then I try to open their kids' eyes to what is in the Bible; typical reaction is "does the Bible /really/ say that?". "Don't trust me, read it for yourself here ... and here ..."
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| From | Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> |
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| Date | 2016-11-15 04:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <e8veq1Fo4hpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #435636 |
Am 15.11.2016 um 01:47 schrieb Tom Gardner: > On 15/11/16 00:36, rickman wrote: >> On 11/13/2016 1:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >> Who is to stop you? > > Typically Bible bashers would like to. (Luckily we > don't have religious thought police over here.) We DO have religious thought police. There is Scharia police in practically all islamic states and wherever they feel strong enough. Even here in .de there was a self proclaimed Scharia police in fantasy uniforms that molested non-German looking people. They have been put out of business, but got away cheaply. In our catholic environment we have the inquisition that has been renamed "Congregatio pro doctrina fidei" since the inquisition had accumulated too much of a bad press. (Really, they only shorted the full name.) The last burning of a witch was just 200 years ago and we can be pretty sure that ended only because the prosecutors are no longer strong enough. (Locally here, 2 witches in 1703, Afra Dick & Maria Kölbl, for stealing milk, putting fire on things & taking a ride with the devil on a pitchfork) > But then I try to open their kids' eyes to what > is in the Bible; typical reaction is "does the > Bible /really/ say that?". > "Don't trust me, read it for yourself here ... > and here ..." Yes, old Jesuit wisdom: "Bring them young, then we have them forever." You may smile on the Yacc shepherd with the Buddha and Bruce Lee on his altar. But is he any less credible than a Palestinian sheep herdsmen from early bronze time? The Yacc guy, I have seen him at least personally, and also more of those people. And I liked them. Gerhard
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| From | krw <krw@somewhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 18:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <rash2cprnsfmnmfltnb6o5q46un0evp1oo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #435302 |
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:29:09 +0000, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>> >>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>>>> >>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>>>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >>>> >>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>> >>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>> >>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >> >> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >> >> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before >> family. Did you have a point? > >You really do have comprehension problems, and/or >a remarkable ability to turn a blind eye to things >you don't want to see. Spoken like a true mirror gazer. > >That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* >their family etc. Not dislike, not distrust, not >have second priority, but *hate*. My, you are one literal piece of shit, Christian hater. > >Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not >*hate* father and mother, wife and children, >brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >life—such a person cannot be my disciple. > >(My *emphasis*) Now, read it without being such a literal jackass. You are as bad a Slowman.
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 23:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <i27Wz.186623$ha2.119511@fx46.am4> |
| In reply to | #435431 |
On 13/11/16 23:06, krw wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:29:09 +0000, Tom Gardner > <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>>>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>>>>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >>>>> >>>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>>> >>>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>>> >>>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >>> >>> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >>> >>> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >>> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before >>> family. Did you have a point? >> >> You really do have comprehension problems, and/or >> a remarkable ability to turn a blind eye to things >> you don't want to see. > > Spoken like a true mirror gazer. >> >> That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* >> their family etc. Not dislike, not distrust, not >> have second priority, but *hate*. > > My, you are one literal piece of shit, Christian hater. Twit. You know as much about me as you know about my pension. (That's nothing, even though, in true Dunning-Kruger style, you persist in think you know a lot :) ) >> Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not >> *hate* father and mother, wife and children, >> brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >> life—such a person cannot be my disciple. >> >> (My *emphasis*) > > Now, read it without being such a literal jackass. You are as bad a > Slowman. Should we also read "Love your neighbour as yourself" as being hyperbole, not to be taken literally? As for being like Sloman, my retorts are nowhere as voluble, pointed and amusing as his.
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| From | krw <krw@somewhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 19:59 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <q03i2cda323epc89gvc7ncjfv90b6c49q9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #435453 |
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:53:50 +0000, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On 13/11/16 23:06, krw wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:29:09 +0000, Tom Gardner >> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>>>>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>>>>>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>>>> >>>>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >>>> >>>> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >>>> >>>> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >>>> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even before >>>> family. Did you have a point? >>> >>> You really do have comprehension problems, and/or >>> a remarkable ability to turn a blind eye to things >>> you don't want to see. >> >> Spoken like a true mirror gazer. >>> >>> That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* >>> their family etc. Not dislike, not distrust, not >>> have second priority, but *hate*. >> >> My, you are one literal piece of shit, Christian hater. > >Twit. You know as much about me as you know about >my pension. (That's nothing, even though, in true >Dunning-Kruger style, you persist in think you know >a lot :) ) I know what you write. Perhaps you're a liar but you're consistent in your hate. > >>> Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not >>> *hate* father and mother, wife and children, >>> brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >>> life—such a person cannot be my disciple. >>> >>> (My *emphasis*) >> >> Now, read it without being such a literal jackass. You are as bad a >> Slowman. > >Should we also read "Love your neighbour as >yourself" as being hyperbole, not to be taken >literally? Now, put that next to your previous reference. > >As for being like Sloman, my retorts are nowhere as >voluble, pointed and amusing as his. So your claim to fame is being dumber than Slowman? Well, if you insist.
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| From | rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-12 22:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <o08o2i$a17$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #435219 |
On 11/12/2016 5:44 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: > On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>> >>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>> >>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >> >> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. > > What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? > > Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. The English Bible is a translation and often has different meanings than the original Bible could have been interpreted to have. I seem to recall reading this passage is one of those where it can have a rather different interpretation. -- Rick C
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 08:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Message-ID | <kxVVz.116081$EP.85925@fx23.am4> |
| In reply to | #435278 |
On 13/11/16 03:53, rickman wrote: > On 11/12/2016 5:44 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>> >>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in learning. >>>>> Rather, you're interested in hating the religious. >>>> >>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far >>>> the biggest group of haters are the religious. >>> >>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >> >> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >> >> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. > > The English Bible is a translation and often has different meanings than the > original Bible could have been interpreted to have. I seem to recall reading > this passage is one of those where it can have a rather different interpretation. In which case the bible cannot be *the* word of God! It might be what somebody (mis)heard while God was mumbling, but not much more :)
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