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| From | Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Combating Zener Jitter |
| Date | 2017-05-27 19:15 -0700 |
| Organization | Rowland Institute |
| Message-ID | <ogdbso02b2u@drn.newsguy.com> (permalink) |
| References | <ofrsc3$5em$2@dont-email.me> <ofs83l$ctq$1@dont-email.me> <ofsfa1$26v$2@dont-email.me> <ofta9p066d@drn.newsguy.com> <ogclgl$1i6m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Tom Del Rosso wrote...
>
>Winfield Hill wrote:
>> Cursitor Doom wrote...
>>>
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> AKA Flicker Noise
>>>
>>> Yup, pink noise. No jittering/jitterbugging involved. ;)
>>
>> Actually, I'd say you're wrong. The zener noise that we
>> see in avalanche mode (greater then 7 volts or so) is due
>> to step-wise "microplasma" ns-scale changes in current.
>> A decade or so ago we fully discussed it here on s.e.d.,
>> complete with measurements, waveforms, detailed physics
>> paper references and the works. Nailed it down. As it
>> happens, the jitterbug analogy isn't so far off.
>>
>> This avalanche jitterbug noise source is not available
>> in the low-voltage field emission zener operating mode,
>> so using two sub-6-volt zeners in series in place of a
>> higher-voltage zener, or any of many other good schemes
>> would indeed be a good idea.
>
> Is the low-voltage noise less than half, so it
> won't add up to more?
Yes, it's a tiny fraction. Try it.
--
Thanks,
- Win
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Re: Combating Zener Jitter "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-05-27 15:53 -0400
Re: Combating Zener Jitter Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-05-27 19:15 -0700
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