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Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators

From	Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators
Date	2017-02-06 12:49 -0700
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2/6/2017 12:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 11:52:05 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I want Joe Average User
>
> I prefer the GUM (great unwashed masses).  The problem with average is
> that a few super-intelligent users nicely balance an ever growing
> horde of users with limited intelligence.  If you don't like GUM, I
> suggest Joe Median User, which is half way between equal numbers of
> intelligent and dumb users.

I'd be happy raising the bar to the level of "folks who CAN install/replace
their own opener" -- but suspect even this is a big hurdle for many!
Despite the "See Spot!  See Spot Run!" sort of instructions that typically
accompany them (and the fact that the mechanical mounts are usually already
in place for the more common REPLACEMENT vs. NEW INSTALL.

Beyond that, having to provide make/model specific instructions as to how
to disassemble an already installed unit and modify it ("short R1 located
adjacent to ...") is just too much to codify AND too much to expect from
the user!

>> to be able to cripple the "wireless" activation/control
>> of his opener -- without having to disassemble it *or* consult an exhaustive
>> compilation of "if you have model X, do this" rules.
>>
>> Once crippled -- and until "restored" -- neither his remote nor any OTHER
>> remote should be able to affect the operation of the opener.
>
> In other words don't touch, tweak, modify, add, remove, or change
> anything.  I don't think that's possible.

The obvious solution is to interfere with the ACCESSIBLE antenna.

> I guess the minimally invasive solution would be some kind of adapter
> that goes between the mechanics of the GDO and the receiver.  The
> wires to a GDO are normally screw terminals so this could be a PCB
> with spade lugs on one side, and screw terminals on the other.  A
> simple on/off switch to turn off the power to the receiver would be
> the minimum.  Presumably, the members of the GUM are qualified to
> operate a screwdriver.  If you need subterfuge, a few magnetic reed
> switches and some potting compound should work.

But the electronics in the opener typically INTEGRATE the receiver
functionality with the "logic" to power the mechanism, sense stall
current, limit switches, etc.  You'd want to preserve that but
not allow the receiver to interact with it (i.e., initiate activity)

> You still haven't answered my question.  What problem are you trying
> to solve?

I want to disable the wireless control of the opener.  Jim's opener
has a FEATURE that allows this.  So, how do you retrofit that
feature to other openers, without requiring the opener to be
replaced or the owner/user to undertake some disassembly activity
that can potentially irreparably damage the opener?

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Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 00:40 -0700
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 00:56 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 02:19 -0700
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:22 -0800
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> - 2017-02-06 11:57 +0000
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0600
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 06:52 -0700
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 07:55 -0700
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:38 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-02-06 14:18 -0600
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:39 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2017-02-06 17:10 -0600
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:06 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:12 +0000
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:05 +0000
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 14:56 -0700
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:18 -0700
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:41 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:32 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:39 -0800
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 08:28 -0800
  Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 09:23 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 09:30 -0800
    Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 11:52 -0700
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 11:31 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 12:49 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-02-06 14:07 -0600
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 12:09 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:37 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:35 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-02-06 17:56 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 12:03 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 13:31 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-06 13:29 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 13:32 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:01 -0700
              Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:07 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:13 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-06 14:28 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:31 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 15:59 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:08 -0700
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators pcdhobbs@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 16:36 -0800
                Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-02-07 10:26 +1100
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 13:05 -0800
        Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 14:22 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators kevin93 <kevin@whitedigs.com> - 2017-02-06 13:39 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 15:12 -0700
          Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:43 -0800
            Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 16:29 -0800
      Re: Blocking RF from intentional radiators Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-07 04:19 +0000

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