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Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue

From	Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue
Date	2017-07-21 12:45 -0700
Message-ID	<etf3v1F3gq8U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 2017-07-21 12:33, rickman wrote:
> Mark Storkamp wrote on 7/21/2017 3:05 PM:
>> In article <eteuhvF2bbjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>  Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-07-21 10:53, rickman wrote:
>>>> Joerg wrote on 7/21/2017 12:20 PM:
>>>>> On 2017-07-20 19:07, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>> OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/07/20/community-colleges-looking-to-d
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rop-algebra-as-a-requirement-sounds-a-little-anti-science/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My jaw dropped when they did that. "Not enough kids can pass the test
>>>>> ....
>>>>> oh, let's just drop it then".
>>>>>
>>>>> Time for better schools, and certainly not the schools the unions
>>>>> want.
>>>>
>>>> In reality, if you aren't on a science track, why learn algebra?
>>>
>>>
>>> Machinists can hardly be called scientists. Yet those who do not master
>>> algebra will soon hit a hard ceiling when moving up the ranks and into
>>> serious CNC territory. They will be left behind by their peers who do
>>> master algebra, who will then land the better jobs and enjoy higher pay.
>>
>> I can't think of a single example of when algebra is required to operate
>> a CNC machine. Program one, sure sometimes (not often). But not to
>> either set up or run one. If a shop's busy, machinist shouldn't be
>> wasting time standing at a machine writing and punching in a program
>> anyway.
>
> You aren't going to win this one.  When Joerg gets a bone in his
> mouth... If he knows one machinist who uses algebra in his work that
> will set the gold standard for all machinist jobs.  It won't matter what
> anyone says.
>

I know a lot of machinists who use algebra. Those are generally the 
higher-payed ones who rarely do grunt work.


> That said, I've never understood why people can't do the things I do
> easily.  That's my failure.  Lots of people aren't so good with math and
> 99.9% of the time it doesn't matter.  Just like they don't even teach
> basic arithmetic as a staple.  Kids learn how the basics work and then
> are allowed to use calculators.  In our day we didn't have that luxury,
> but it can work for them.
>

You obviously never sat in board meetings and the like at critical 
times. There you are expected to calculate in your head all the time and 
immediately, prontissomo, raise your hand if something smells foul. 
"Guys, wait a minute, that margin formula over there does not really 
compute". In a board room it is highly frowned upon to punch virtual 
keys on a smart phone and you'd be way too slow with that method anyhow. 
Those meetings seem ritzy, easy and plush with the free bagels and 
coffee. They are not. Afterwards most people are dead-tired.

[...]

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-20 19:07 -0700
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-21 02:43 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jack4747@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 02:59 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 09:39 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-21 09:56 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 10:08 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 03:56 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 11:52 -0700
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 03:37 -0700
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-21 08:30 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 08:38 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 09:02 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-21 09:10 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-21 09:13 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 13:47 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 22:59 -0400
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-21 09:11 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 09:26 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 10:46 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 23:04 -0400
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 09:44 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 10:24 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 10:29 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 13:48 -0400
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-07-21 13:16 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 13:46 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 15:03 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 15:31 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 16:14 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 19:11 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-21 20:51 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 23:08 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-24 09:51 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-24 21:35 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:01 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 11:48 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 11:58 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-21 23:57 +0100
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 19:02 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 00:30 +0100
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 01:04 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 09:39 +0100
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 09:09 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-22 08:42 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 17:10 +0100
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 12:11 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-22 12:15 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-22 20:10 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-07-23 22:33 +0200
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-22 20:09 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 19:32 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 01:05 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 09:45 +0100
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 09:11 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 17:20 +0100
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-07-22 09:41 +0100
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 09:13 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:06 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 16:07 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 15:13 -0400
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-21 11:11 -0500
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 09:29 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-21 12:08 -0500
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 10:57 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 23:13 -0400
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 10:26 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 10:32 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 10:56 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 11:09 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 11:02 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 11:13 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 11:40 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 12:54 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-21 15:14 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 23:20 -0400
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-21 23:16 -0400
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-22 13:26 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-22 20:20 -0400
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-07-22 11:31 -0400
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 09:20 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 13:53 -0400
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 11:13 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 11:51 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 12:09 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-21 14:05 -0500
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 12:18 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-21 15:20 -0500
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 14:14 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 15:33 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 12:45 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 15:21 -0400
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 12:37 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> - 2017-07-21 14:09 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-21 14:19 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-07-21 14:38 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 15:12 -0700
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-24 04:13 -0700
      Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-24 10:01 -0700
        Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-25 03:33 -0700
          Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 07:29 -0700
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 08:38 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 11:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 11:28 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:01 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:30 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 12:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 12:54 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:26 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 13:50 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:03 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 14:19 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-25 14:50 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-25 15:12 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:20 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-25 21:04 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-07-26 09:25 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-07-26 13:45 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-26 21:43 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 19:06 -0400
            Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-26 04:09 -0700
              Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 16:44 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:24 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-26 19:36 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 13:09 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:42 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:03 +0000
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-28 14:16 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:29 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:59 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:32 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-31 05:27 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-28 22:30 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 20:02 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:03 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-29 22:07 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-29 10:55 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-07-29 08:05 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-26 19:37 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-27 05:51 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-07-27 06:09 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-07-28 06:40 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 21:25 +0000
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 17:50 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 21:35 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-07-28 12:58 +0800
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-08-01 02:19 -0700
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-07-28 20:21 +0000
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 22:39 -0400
                Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 22:07 -0700
  Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-07-21 13:12 -0500
    Re: OT: Algebra is a civil rights issue bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-21 17:20 -0400

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