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On 2017-05-17 16:05, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>>> Grains (or malt extract) are the main cost factors in beer. I
>>>> get my stuff in Minnisohtah:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.midwestsupplies.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice!  Buying by the sack saves money also.
>>>
>>
>> I am still a lowly extract brewer though. However, I am keeping my
>> eyes peeled for two-roller grain crusher. Some day I want to do
>> BIAB but must figure out a way to use two bags instead of one, on
>> account of a bad lower back. I can't lift heavy stuff while bent
>> over. Or rather, I can but then I will pay for that.
>>
>> Grain doesn't save a lot of money or often none at all but allows
>> more mods. I usually brew two batches in a day. Having only two 1kW
>> electric burners under a tamale steamer pot it takes time to heat.
>> That means that time-wise I might be able to do one all-grain and
>> one extract session if we have dinner a little later.
>
>
> Huh.  I went with grains precisely because they're cheaper.


Not really. There is no way I can make five gallons of IPA, Stout, Pale 
Ale, Cream Ale or American Wheat for $20 using grain. Mostly because 
hops and all the other stuff adds cost.

https://www.midwestsupplies.com/nsearch/?q=simply+beer

I modify those though.


>                                                          ... Of
> course that also assumes my time is worth $0/hr.  I still consider
> myself a student at this, so it's worth it.
>

Yes, it's a hobby and cost isn't why I do this. The main reason is that 
every bottle tastes like a growler fresh off the tap. You can't get that 
great taste with store bought beer.


> I just put the grains in the blender in small batches.  I used to do
> the bag thing, then decided, hey, I'm going to let it settle out
> anyway, so why not just siphon off the clear liquid.  It takes
> longer, but that's how I do it without a lauter tun.  Since it's
> settling, it's ok if the particles are somewhat finer than with a
> crusher.


With the bag one of the advantages is you can mill really fine. There 
isn't the risk of s stuck sparge.


>  ... I should be able to extract more of the sugars, too.  So,
> in a nutshell, mix the powdered grains with water, bring to 150
> degrees F while mixing, scoop into empty 1-gallon wine jugs, allow to
> settle, siphon off the clear liquid for the later boil, return the
> solids to the pot, add more water, and repeat until I have enough
> liquid for the boil.
>
>
>> Be careful with BE-256. That is what I used on the Belgian Tripel
>> and it went "nuclear". After the first mess (lid of the fermenter
>> came off) I placed a blow-off hose and bucket. However, the
>> diameter of the racking hose was still not large enough. Lots of
>> evil hissing and roaring plus a minor mess, the lid came partially
>> off. Phsssss ... rot-tot-tot ... *BURP* .. phseeeee ... POOF ..
>> gurgle. So now I mounted a 1/2" Bulkhead connector in the fermenter
>> lid and keep a strudy washing machine hose at hand for next time.
>
>
> That reminds me!  Since I only brew about 2 gallons at a time (my
> biggest pot is only 3 gallons or so), and since I use 1-gallon empty
> glass wine jugs as my fermenters, I only put about 1 tsp of yeast
> into each jug.  Maybe 1/2 tsp... I have to double-check my notes. It
> helps to keep the reaction manageable.  Before, yeah, I had serious
> overflow problems too.  I also try to only fill the fermenters about
> 2/3 full, max, just in case.
>

A homebrewer's nightmare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgfubawsrcM

>>>
>>>> The trub doesn't go to waste either, whether the yeast was
>>>> harvested from it or not. We turn that into really tasty "trub
>>>> bread". Always baked over charcoal or wood fire in the Weber
>>>> kettle. We haven't bought bread since summer last year.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice!  Trub from post-boil, or trub from fermenting?
>>>
>>
>> It's the trub from fermenting. You can't use the hop residue and
>> other gunk at the bottom of the boil pot. Also, that contains the
>> carrageenan which would probably cause a really funky taste.
>
>
> Ah!  Ok, thanks for clarifying.  Although, the hops would make a
> fairly interesting bread, huh... hmm...
>

The bread certainly has a hoppy taste and I like that. It's not 
something you'd use to for honey or marmelade. It tastes best with cold 
cuts. Most deliciously with thin slices of tri-tip from the barbie.

>
>> I bought and modded the wine fridge so I'd be able to brew year
>> round and (almost) all styles. I added a regulated heat mode and a
>> McGyver style heater for that, "electronics guys style", can be
>> seen in the 2nd link:
>>
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/brew/chamber1.JPG
>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/brew/chamber2.JPG
>>
>> This way temps do not drop too low during winter months in the
>> basement room. Having to run the pellet stove down there just to
>> keep the beer happy gets expensive.
>>
>> If I'd ever do a bock I can use an old Bosch fridge in the
>> basement which can hold one fermenter and run that much colder.
>
>
> Very nice!  I would just do it when the weather is being cooperative,
> but that's just me.
>

Right now the Pale Ale and IPA are a bit recalcitrant. The IPA is at 29h 
fermentation lag and hasn't started a bit. The Pale Ale is at 24h and 
shows very tepid yeast activity. Got to shake the buckets some more 
later tonight to kick things into gear. With living organisms such as 
yeast one never knows.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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