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Re: Random noise generation

From Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Random noise generation
Date 2026-09-26 23:09 +0200
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <1199cat$psc7$3@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (17 earlier) <1s1zj3s.1u3fl60cacq2oN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <bk2dblp2o2c4gn1da6r5jnpmep4pdvjpi0@4ax.com> <1s20ih4.9s3ibycd8ilkN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <1197usr$9tbq$2@dont-email.me> <1s21p25.du6ev31qi92xqN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>

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On 9/26/26 15:37, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/25/26 23:12, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:22:46 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> For a rough-and-ready audio noise generator, I used the noise of the
>>>>> blue LED pilot light and amplified it with a quad op-amp.  i also
>>>>> included a state-variable filter so you could select:
>>>>>
>>>>> Full bandwidth
>>>>> High pass
>>>>> Low pass
>>>>> Narrow peak
>>>>> Narrow notch
>>>>
>>>> Was the led forward biased?
>>>
>>> Yes, it was used as the pilot light.
>>>
>>>
>>>    >What was its noise amplitude?
>>>
>>> The total voltage gain was about 10^5 to give a 0dBm output, so the
>>> noise was around -100dBu.
>>>
>>
>> That should be -100dBm, surely?
> 
> No, that was the (near) open-circuit voltage but it wasn't delivering
> that voltage into a 600-ohm load, so that is no indication of the power
> (which is what dBm measures).  A voltage level of -100 dBu would only be
> equivelent to -100dBm if the circuit impedance were 600 0hms.
> 
> 

I see. I wasn't familiar with dBu. With a little effort, I think
I could probably collect over a hundred dBxx units in use in one
place or another. I use only a few.

Jeroen Belleman

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proposal Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 14:27 -0600
  Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 13:49 -0700
    Re: proposal Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-09-20 23:20 +0200
      Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 14:35 -0700
        Re: proposal Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-09-21 20:11 +0200
    Re: proposal Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-09-20 22:46 +0100
  Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:56 -0700
    Re: proposal Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 17:08 -0600
      Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-20 19:11 -0700
      Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 19:24 -0700
        Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 19:36 -0700
          Re: proposal Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@koi8.net> - 2026-09-21 03:27 +0000
            Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 -0700
            Re: proposal Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:36 +0000
              Re: proposal Sergey Kubushyn <ksi@koi8.net> - 2026-09-21 07:02 +0000
                Re: proposal Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 07:34 +0000
              Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-21 01:26 -0700
            Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-21 17:06 +1000
  Re: proposal Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:57 -0700
  Re: proposal sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 03:10 +0200
    Re: proposal Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-20 20:38 -0600
    Re: proposal Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:45 +0000
    Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-21 09:26 -0700
      Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-22 00:36 +0800
        Re: proposal john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-21 10:20 -0700
          Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 16:30 +1000
            Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:45 +0800
              Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 17:17 +1000
            Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 04:01 -0700
              Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 00:21 +1000
      Re: proposal sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 02:32 +0200
        Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-21 19:03 -0700
          Re: proposal sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 04:09 +0200
            Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-21 20:23 -0700
              Re: proposal sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 06:10 +0200
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 16:57 +1000
                Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 04:15 -0700
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 00:38 +1000
                Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 08:08 -0700
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 01:49 +1000
                Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-23 00:04 +0800
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-24 18:27 +1000
                Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:07 +0800
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 01:41 +1000
                Re: proposal Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-24 10:02 -0600
                Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-25 04:00 +0800
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:37 +1000
                Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 04:04 -0700
                Re: proposal sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 16:38 +0200
                Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 08:22 -0700
                Re: proposal Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-23 00:08 +0800
                Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 09:36 -0700
                Random noise generation (was: Re: proposal) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-23 00:50 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation (was: Re: proposal) john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-22 10:20 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 03:51 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-23 01:55 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-22 17:35 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-23 15:14 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-23 09:12 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-24 17:39 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 02:05 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-25 01:39 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-24 18:26 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-25 16:46 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:51 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-26 06:49 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 07:25 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-09-26 12:57 -0400
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-27 06:29 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 16:17 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:25 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-27 03:10 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:48 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 08:34 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 15:45 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 15:48 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-25 09:22 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-25 07:56 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-09-25 15:36 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 16:59 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 08:42 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 17:19 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:08 +0800
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:08 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:09 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-26 21:22 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 08:57 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 11:37 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:25 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-27 20:47 +1000
                Re: Random noise generation Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 18:00 +0000
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@htigct.com> - 2026-09-25 17:09 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-25 22:12 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 10:14 +0200
                Re: Random noise generation liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-26 14:37 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-09-26 23:09 +0200
                Re: Random noise generation liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-27 09:15 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-26 09:01 -0700
                Re: Random noise generation liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-09-26 19:45 +0100
                Re: Random noise generation Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-10-03 13:34 +0200
                Re: Random noise generation Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-10-03 16:03 +0200
                Re: Random noise generation john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-10-03 08:42 -0700
                Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 01:01 +1000
    Re: proposal someone <2a59d59e3809f827ce709d3815e3950eef4a6a93af5557a93a7fdfba71460843@example.com> - 2026-09-21 21:00 +0000
      Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-22 17:10 +1000
        Re: proposal john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-09-22 04:21 -0700
          Re: proposal Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-09-23 02:17 +1000

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