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| From | Max <maxturv26@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.crypt |
| Subject | Re: Toy cipher I made for a reddit challenge |
| Date | 2021-10-02 04:20 +0200 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <sj8fl6$b86$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <BoednbEc4OYqR8_8nZ2dnUU7-d-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <sivpc9$av7$1@dont-email.me> <sj03aq$puk$1@dont-email.me> <sj58uc$nlj$1@dont-email.me> <sj7r3v$avt$1@dont-email.me> |
On 01.10.21 22:29, wizzofozz wrote:
> Op 30-9-2021 om 23:07 schreef wizzofozz:
>> Op 29-9-2021 om 00:00 schreef Max:
>>
>>> The first challenge ("babbylevel") is just a simple monoalphabetic
>>> substitution with this mapping:
>>>
>>> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
>>> WVUPMOABCDEFGXY??LKQRST?I?
>>>
>
> For now I assume the full mapping is:
>
> WVUPMOABCDEFGXYZNLKQRSTHIJ
Makes sense. I'll work with this for now.
So, the key has 16 letters. The alphabet has 26. There is a stretch of 7
"unchanged" letters, at the beginning of the alphabet "ABCDEFG" and 3
"unchanged" letters as the end of the alphabet "XYZ".
What if this algorithm works "inside out", taking single letters from
the middle of the alphabet and deciding to put it at the beginning oŕ at
the end? That would also explain, that the backwards-stretch "WVU" is at
the beginning, not at the end of the key.
Let's see:
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
b ABCDEFGHIJKLM*OPQRSTUVWXYZN
a OABCDEFGHIJKLM-*PQRSTUVWXYZN
b MOABCDEFGHIJKL*--PQRSTUVWXYZN
b MOABCDEFGHIJK*---PQRSTUVWXYZNL
y MOABCDEFGHIJ*----PQRSTUVWXYZNLK
l PMOABCDEFGHIJ-----*QRSTUVWXYZNLK
e PMOABCDEFGHIJ------*RSTUVWXYZNLKQ
v PMOABCDEFGHIJ-------*STUVWXYZNLKQR
e PMOABCDEFGHIJ--------*TUVWXYZNLKQRS
l PMOABCDEFGHIJ---------*UVWXYZNLKQRST
s UPMOABCDEFGHIJ----------*VWXYZNLKQRST
o VUPMOABCDEFGHIJ-----------*WXYZNLKQRST
e WVUPMOABCDEFGHIJ------------*XYZNLKQRST
a WVUPMOABCDEFGHI*-------------XYZNLKQRSTJ
s WVUPMOABCDEFGH*--------------XYZNLKQRSTJI
y WVUPMOABCDEFG*---------------XYZNLKQRSTJIH
This looks promising.
That would also mean that the full mapping is
WVUPMOABCDEFGXYZNLKQRSTJIH
which is also consistent with the letters we know.
So, the question remains: When will I take a letter from the right vs.
the left side and when do I put it to the right or to the left?
key: babbylevelsoeasy
I start in the middle, between M and N.
"b" means: take the right of the two "inner letters" and put it to the
right end, this means:
b : right => right
a : right => left
b : left => left
b : left => right
y : left => right
l : right => left
e : right => right
v : right => right
e : right => right
l : right => right
s : right => left
o : right => left
e : right => left
a : left => right
s : left => right
y : left => right
I don't see an easy mapping here and it's too late for a tricky one.
Maybe tomorrow. Maybe you see something in this that I don't see.
> I'm still thinking along these lines. My current 'swap' algorithm
> generates stuff like WVUTSRQPONMYXZABCDEFGLKJIH, which is pretty close
[...]
Not bad. The code is simple enough and the result is indeed pretty
close. Yet, for now, I tend towards my approach.
>
> I hope the babbylevelsoeasy is not much harder than this :-)
:-)
>
> Ozz
Cheers,
Max
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Re: Toy cipher I made for a reddit challenge wizzofozz <oxxxxxxxxxxxs@gmail.com> - 2021-11-01 21:40 +0100
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