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  OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-30 08:36 -0700
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-30 08:38 -0700
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-04-30 16:35 -0400
      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 21:09 +0000
      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:41 +0000
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:55 -0500
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-30 21:08 +0000
      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:42 +0000
        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-01 05:28 +0000
          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 08:51 -0700
            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-01 19:37 +0000
              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:16 -0700
                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-01 20:34 +0000
                  Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:10 -0700
                  Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-05-01 15:46 -0700
                    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 16:46 -0700
                      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-02 16:23 +0000
                      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-02 21:57 +0000
                        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:08 -0700
                          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-02 22:42 +0000
                            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:53 -0700
                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 17:57 -0500
                                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 16:15 -0700
                                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 16:16 -0700
                                  Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 02:01 -0400
                                    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 05:36 -0500
                                      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-03 05:05 -0700
                                    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 08:13 -0700
                                      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-03 09:28 -0700
                                        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 09:42 -0700
                                          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:13 -0500
                                            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-03 20:52 -0700
                                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 05:17 +0000
                                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-04 22:08 -0500
                                            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 05:17 +0000
                                      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-03 22:08 +0000
                                        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 15:55 -0700
                                          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-03 23:24 +0000
                                            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 16:39 -0700
                                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-03 23:56 +0000
                                                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 05:14 +0000
                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-04 06:42 -0600
                                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:17 -0700
                                  Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:35 -0700
                                    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:44 -0700
                        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 16:14 -0700
                        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 05:34 -0500
                          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 16:53 -0500
                            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 15:54 -0700
                              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) - 2018-05-03 23:30 +0000
                    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 21:44 -0500
      Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-05-01 20:55 +1000
        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 06:17 -0700
        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-05-01 15:04 -0700
          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-02 00:06 +0000
            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-02 13:40 -0700
              Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-05-02 21:50 +0000
                Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 15:52 -0700
        Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-05-17 16:43 +1000
          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 00:51 -0700
            Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-17 01:16 -0700
          Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-05-25 15:07 +1000
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-30 18:14 -0700
    Re: OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 03:40 +0000

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#491343 — OT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?

Froma425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-30 08:36 -0700
SubjectOT - How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
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How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018 07:00am ET

How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of science 
fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?

If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?

It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and scientists 
alike for decades, and we already may have a hint of how people will 
react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized version of the 1898 H.G. Wells 
novel "War of the Worlds" played on the CBS Radio system across the 
United States. The story details how Martians attacked Earth.

The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it for a real 
radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a reaction. Some 
accounts describe nationwide panic, while others say not very many 
people actually listened to the broadcast. The promise of alien life 
stars in Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science 
Fiction," which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for 
Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan Forgan told 
Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may be instructive to think 
about as SETI scientists worldwide update their "first contact" 
protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?]

"If you pick the right science fiction — the hard science fiction — it's 
placed in the best possible educated guesses about what will happen," 
said Forgan, who is a research fellow at the University of St Andrews in 
Scotland. He explained that "hard" science fiction refers to science 
fiction that emphasizes accuracy (think the 2015 movie "The Martian," 
for example).

If researchers find a signal today, Forgan said, one of the things they 
will have to manage is a public used to getting constant news updates on 
Twitter and other forms of social media. It's something Forgan and his 
colleagues are already working on. The International Academy of 
Astronautics SETI Permanent Committee created a post-detection protocol 
in 1989 that was slightly updated in 2010; a new update is starting soon 
and should be finished in a few years, Forgan said.

Scientific work
Famed directors James Cameron and Ridley Scott talk aliens in "AMC 
Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction," which premieres 
on AMC on April 30.

For the most part, scientists assume alien contact would happen through 
a signal purposely sent toward Earth. The "acid test" is to make sure 
the signal is verified by multiple observatories, said SETI Institute 
senior astronomer Seth Shostak. "It would take a while to verify, and 
then the people who like to think about these matters say you would have 
a press conference and announce this to the world," he said, but he 
added that wouldn't work unless everyone in the project were sworn to 
secrecy. In this era of news leaks, he said that situation is very 
unlikely to hold.

So, scientists try instead to stick to a protocol that includes 
informing the public. The 2010 IAA protocol only runs to two pages and 
covers facets such as searching for a signal, handling evidence and what 
to do in the case of a confirmed detection.

If the evidence gets out to the public while the scientists are still 
analyzing the signal, Forgan said they could manage the public's 
expectations by using something called the Rio Scale. It's essentially a 
numeric value that represents the degree of likelihood that an alien 
contact is "real." (Forgan added that the Rio Scale is also undergoing 
an update, and more should be coming out about it in May.)

If the aliens did arrive here, "first contact" protocols likely would be 
useless, because if they're smart enough to show up physically, they 
could probably do anything else they like, according to Shostak. 
"Personally, I would leave town," Shostak quipped. "I would get a rocket 
and get out of the way. I have no idea what they are here for."

But there's little need to worry. An "Independence Day" scenario of 
aliens blowing up important national buildings such as the White House 
is extremely unlikely, Forgan said, because interstellar travel is 
difficult. (This feeds into something called the Drake Equation, which 
considers where the aliens could be and helps show why we haven't heard 
anything from them yet.) [The Father of SETI: Q&A with Astronomer Frank 
Drake]

Early SETI work
To find a signal, first we have to be listening for it. SETI "listening" 
is going on all over the world, and in fact, this has been happening for 
many decades. The first modern SETI experiment took place in 1960. Under 
Project Ozma, Cornell University astronomer Frank Drake pointed a radio 
telescope (located at Green Bank, West Virginia) at two stars called Tau 
Ceti and Epsilon Eridani. He scanned at a frequency astronomers nickname 
"the water hole," which is close to the frequency of light that's given 
off by hydrogen and hydroxyl (one hydrogen atom bonded to one oxygen). 
[13 Ways to Find Intelligent Aliens]

In 1977, The Ohio State University SETI's program made international 
headlines after a project volunteer, Jerry Ehman, wrote, "Wow!" beside a 
strong signal a telescope there received. The Aug. 15, 1977, "Wow" 
signal was never repeated, however.

There have been many, many projects since then. As a taste: The SETI 
Institute was founded in 1984; while it may be the most famous of the 
SETI projects, there are many other independent SETIs at universities 
and institutions worldwide that have done work over the decades. One of 
the center's major initiatives was Project Phoenix, which scanned 
nearby, sun-like stars. Currently, the SETI Institute, in collaboration 
with other institutes, is working on a concept called the Allen 
Telescope Array, which has dozens of radio dishes in northern California.

In 2015, the well-known physicist Stephen Hawking and many other 
researchers launched Breakthrough Listen, a project that will scan 1 
million Milky Way stars and 100 nearby galaxies for extraterrestrial life.

Space-based SETI

While searches of alien messages aren't ongoing in space, there have 
been efforts at communicating with any beings that may come across our 
spacecraft.

The Pioneer 10 and 11 probes flew by Jupiter (and in Pioneer 11's case, 
Saturn) to eventually make their way out of the solar system. Before 
their launches in 1972 and 1973, respectively, a Pioneer plaque was 
mounted on board each spacecraft. It shows the form of the human body 
and where the Earth is located in the galaxy.

The twin Voyager probes launched in 1977 to examine the outer solar 
system. Voyager 2 reached interstellar space in 2012, while Voyager 1 is 
still at the edge of the solar system. Each of the spacecraft includes 
two golden records with sounds recorded on Earth, ranging from whale 
calls to music to the word "hello" in many languages. The record also 
has diagrams of the human body and where our solar system is located.

Scientists also transmitted a radio message from the Arecibo Observatory 
in Puerto Rico in 1974. The so-called Arecibo Message includes such 
things as the numbers 1 through 10; the atomic numbers of elements such 
as hydrogen and oxygen; information about DNA; and diagrams of a human 
body, the Earth and our solar system.

In a related field, the study of exoplanets has accelerated in recent 
years with the Kepler mission, which has found more than 2,000 confirmed 
exoplanets alone, as well as other observatories on the ground and in 
space. Scientists are now trying to characterize which of these planets 
may be the most habitable. Atmospheric studies and more detailed looks 
at star activity will be some of the activities scientists undertake 
with future telescopes, such as the James Webb Space Telescope, which 
will launch in 2020.

This story was inspired by Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries: James 
Cameron's Story of Science Fiction," which airs tonight at 10 p.m. 
EDT/PDT (9 p.m. CDT). A companion book is available on Amazon.com.

Follow us @Spacedotcom, Facebook and Google+. Original article on 
Space.com.

https://www.space.com/40435-finding-aliens-humanity-reaction.html

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Froma425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-30 08:38 -0700
Message-ID<pc7dah11g00@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#491343
On 4/30/2018 8:36 AM, a425couple wrote:
> How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
> By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018 07:00am ET
> How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
> An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of science 
> fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?

Here is a related 2014 story:

We'll Find Alien Life in This Lifetime, Scientists Tell Congress
By Nola Taylor Redd, Space.com Contributor |
May 24, 2014 07:45am ET

We'll Find Alien Life in This Lifetime, Scientists Tell Congress
SETI uses the Arecibo's 305-meter telescope — the largest in the world — 
to scan the sky for signals from alien civilizations all year round.
Credit: Arecibo Observatory/NSF
Humans have long wondered whether we are alone in the universe. 
According to scientists working with the Search for Extraterrestrial 
Intelligence (SETI) Institute, the question may be answered in the near 
future.

"It's unproven whether there is any life beyond Earth," Seth Shostak, 
senior astronomer at the SETI Institute, said at a House Committee on 
Science, Space and Technology hearing Wednesday (May 21). "I think that 
situation is going to change within everyone's lifetime in this room."

Scientists search for life beyond Earth using three different methods, 
Shostak said. [13 Ways to Find E.T.]

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The first method involves the search for microbial extraterrestrials or 
their remains. Investigations include robotic missions to Mars, such as 
Curiosity and Opportunity, which are currently searching for signs that 
the Red Planet could once have hosted potentially habitable environments.

Local habitable worlds?

But Mars isn't the only target in the solar system. In fact, Shostak 
said there are "at least half a dozen other worlds" in Earth's 
neighborhood that have the potential to be habitable. Icy moons such as 
Jupiter's Europa and Ganymede hide subsurface oceans, while Saturn's 
largest moon, Titan, contains lakes of liquid methane, all of which 
could make the moons appealing homes for life.

A second technique involves examining the atmospheres of planets in 
orbit around other stars for traces of oxygen or methane or other gases 
that could be produced by biological processes. As an observed planet 
passes between Earth and its sun, a thick enough atmosphere has the 
potential to be detected. [10 Exoplanets That Could Host Life]

Shostak said both of these methods could yield results in the next two 
decades.

The third plan involves searching not just for life, but also for 
intelligent life — a project that SETI pioneers. By scouring the 
universe for signals in a variety of spectrums, SETI hopes to find 
intentional or accidental broadcasts from extraterrestrial civilizations.

Determining the success rate of such a program is difficult, but Shostak 
said that the best estimates suggest that a reasonable chance of success 
would come after examining a few million star systems. So far, SETI has 
examined less than 1 percent of those star systems. However, Shostak 
expects that number to increase as technology advances.

"Given predicted advances in technology, looking at a few million star 
systems can be done in the next 20 years," he said.

"Teeming with … life"

NASA's Kepler telescope has revealed that planets are abundant in the 
galaxy. Each of the 4 billion stars in our galaxy has an average of 1.6 
planets in orbit around it, with one out of five of those planets are 
likely to be "Earth cousins." That means there are tens of billions of 
potentially habitable planets in the Milky Way alone.

"If this is the only planet on which not only life, but intelligent 
life, has arisen, that would be very unusual," Shostak said. [Poll: Do 
You Believe Alien Life Exists?]

On Earth, life arose in the first billion years of the planet's 
4.5-billion-year history. Its rapid origination suggests that it could 
arise quickly elsewhere as well, which could result in a profusion of 
life on planets across the galaxy.

"I suspect that the universe is teeming with microbial life," Dan 
Werthimer, director of the SETI Research Center at the University of 
California, Berkeley, told the committee.

How much of that life might be intelligent is another question altogether.

On one hand, although life arose early in Earth's existence, complex — 
and then intelligent — life took much longer to develop.

"This place has been carpeted with life, and almost all that time, it 
required a microscope to see it," Shostak said.

However, Werthimer noted that intelligent life evolved in several 
species on Earth. He suggested that some planets evolve selective 
pressures that guide evolution toward different characteristics. On one 
planet, it may be most beneficial for life to be fast, while on others, 
it might need to be strong to survive.

"I think there are going to be some planets in the universe where it's 
advantageous to be smart," Werthimer said.

By surrounding their star with swarms of energy-collecting satellites, 
advanced civilizations could create Dyson spheres. [<a 
href="http://www.space.com/24276-dyson-spheres-how-advanced-alien-civilizations-would-conquer-the-galaxy-infographic.html">Read 
the Full Dyson Sphere Infographic Here</a>.]
By surrounding their star with swarms of energy-collecting satellites, 
advanced civilizations could create Dyson spheres. [Read the Full Dyson 
Sphere Infographic Here.]
Credit: by Karl Tate, Infographics Artist
Hunting for intelligence
Werthimer outlined several of the programs SETI utilizes in its search 
for intelligent life. The most well known of these is its use of the 
largest telescope in the world, the 1,000-foot (305 meters) Arecibo 
Observatory in Puerto Rico. Although most astronomers would feel lucky 
to obtain a day of observations with the instrument, scientists at SETI 
have figured out how to "piggyback" their research onto other 
observations, allowing for virtually continuous observation of the universe.

It requires a significant amount of computing power to churn through the 
resulting data in search of signals. In 1999, SETI@home was released to 
allow members of the public to put their computer to work when it might 
otherwise be idle. Today, 8.4 million users in 226 countries have the 
program running as a screensaver.

"Together, the volunteers have created the most powerful supercomputer 
on the planet," Werthimer said.

When asked about potential safety issues with downloading the program, 
Werthimer said, "In my opinion, SETI@home is one of the safest things 
you can install on the computer." He pointed to the millions of users 
who have put it through its paces over the last 15 years. On top of 
that, the program is open source, which means that anyone can examine it 
for viruses or potential problems in the code.

In the next few months, SETI will launch its Panchromatic SETI program, 
using six telescopes to scour the skies for signals in a variety of 
wavelengths, including radio, optical and infrared.

"This will be an extremely comprehensive search," Werthimer said.

Another program seeks to eavesdrop on potential communications between 
two bodies in an alien solar system. Just as NASA sends signals to the 
Curiosity rover on Mars, or would need to communicate with a future 
outpost on another body in the solar system, alien civilizations may be 
in the process of exploring or colonizing their own neighborhood. By 
using information from Kepler, SETI scientists can observe when two 
planets line up in another system and attempt to eavesdrop on potential 
signals.

By relying on a multitude of technologies in the search for advanced 
alien civilizations, SETI hopes to increase its odds of finding 
intelligent life beyond the solar system. Programs continue to evolve 
alongside technology, as SETI attempts to put a new one in play each year.

"I think the best strategy is a multiple-[pronged] strategy," Werthimer 
said. "We should be looking for all kinds of different signals and not 
put all of our eggs in one basket."

Shostak agreed, and noted that dated technology, such as radio signals, 
may not necessarily be obsolete.

"One shouldn't discount a technology just because it's been around 
awhile," he said. "We use the wheel every day."

If scientists were to discover a signal that might potentially stem from 
an alien civilization, the news would spread fairly rapidly. SETI might 
ask observers at another observatory to verify the data before 
officially announcing it, but such news would never stay under wraps for 
long.

"The public has the idea that the government has a secret plan for what 
we would do if we picked up a signal," Shostak said.

But he said he's received no calls or clandestine visits for the false 
alarms SETI has already observed.

In fact, Shostak said the news will spread before it can be fully verified.

"There will be false alarms," he said.

Kepler-186f, the first Earth-size planet orbiting in the habitable zone 
of its star, is just one of the many potentially habitable planets in 
the Milky Way galaxy.
Kepler-186f, the first Earth-size planet orbiting in the habitable zone 
of its star, is just one of the many potentially habitable planets in 
the Milky Way galaxy.
Credit: NASA Ames/SETI Institute/JPL-Caltech
Funding the search

For all their optimism about the potential to find new life, both 
Shostak and Werthimer were realistic about the limits of their research. 
Currently, SETI houses only 24 full-time scientists. Of those, 
two-thirds are from the United States.

The Berkeley program exists primarily on a budget of roughly $1 million 
a year, made up of research grants from NASA, the National Science 
Foundation (NSF) and private donors.

The two primary telescopes utilized by SETI are also in jeopardy. Budget 
cuts have been made to the Arecibo telescope, while the NSF plans to 
discontinue funding for the Green Bank telescope in West Virginia.

At the same time, China is building a radio telescope nearly twice as 
large as Arecibo, while the Square Kilometer Array Telescope project is 
in progress in South Africa. Both telescopes stand to become significant 
SETI observatories, and the United States isn't involved.

"The U.S. may not continue to lead this work," Werthimer said.

"I would find that disappointing," Rep. Suzanne Bonamici, D-Ore., responded.

Both Shostak and Werthimer expressed their optimism that intelligent 
life exists somewhere in the galaxy, and that it should be detectable in 
the near future, as long as SETI continues to receive the support it 
needs. Between the knowledge that might be obtained from an advanced 
civilization and the idea of mankind's biological intellectual place in 
the universe, humans stand to gain a great deal from learning that we 
are not alone.

"Finding other sentient life in the universe would be the most 
significant discovery in human history," said Committee Chairman Lamar 
Smith, R-Texas.

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#491376

Fromcasagiannoni@optonline.net
Date2018-04-30 16:35 -0400
Message-ID<kdveedllur19e00smoecr5orq3ete37nqj@4ax.com>
In reply to#491343
Religious assholes would try to peddle their crazy shit !

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#491381

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-04-30 21:09 +0000
Message-ID<p80o3M.1LE@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491376
In article <kdveedllur19e00smoecr5orq3ete37nqj@4ax.com>,
 <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote:
>Religious assholes would try to peddle their crazy shit !

ObSF: James Gunn's _The Listeners,_ in which some of that
attempts to happen.

Long OP, but you might try to find it used.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491414

FromNinapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 03:41 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8D4D2794BFtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491376
casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote in 
news:kdveedllur19e00smoecr5orq3ete37nqj@4ax.com:

> Religious assholes would try to peddle their crazy shit !
> 
In much the say way that scientism assholes peddle theirs, now, no 
doubt.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491377

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-30 15:55 -0500
Message-ID<pc7vr9$7ah$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#491343
On 4/30/2018 10:36 AM, a425couple wrote:
> How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
> By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018 07:00am ET
> 
> How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
> An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of science 
> fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
> 
> If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
...

> https://www.space.com/40435-finding-aliens-humanity-reaction.html

One would hope that we would be mature as the Human - Thranx 
Commonwealth in Alan Dean Foster's books.
 
https://www.amazon.com/Phylogenesis-Book-One-Founding-Commonwealth/dp/0345418611/

Lynn

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#491380

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-04-30 21:08 +0000
Message-ID<p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491343
In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018 07:00am ET
>
>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of science 
>fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>
>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>
>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and scientists 
>alike for decades, and we already may have a hint of how people will 
>react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized version of the 1898 H.G. Wells 
>novel "War of the Worlds" played on the CBS Radio system across the 
>United States. The story details how Martians attacked Earth.
>
>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it for a real 
>radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a reaction. Some 
>accounts describe nationwide panic, while others say not very many 
>people actually listened to the broadcast. The promise of alien life 
>stars in Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science 
>Fiction," which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for 
>Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan Forgan told 
>Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may be instructive to think 
>about as SETI scientists worldwide update their "first contact" 
>protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?]

And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night That
Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and other forms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America

When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I was
on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't any deaths,
there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked damn likely that
there were going to be.  (That's not a spoiler, that's history.)
>

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491415

FromNinapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 03:42 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491380
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 

> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>07:00am ET 
>>
>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>
>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>
>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint of
>>how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized version of
>>the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds" played on the CBS
>>Radio system across the United States. The story details how
>>Martians attacked Earth. 
>>
>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it for
>>a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a
>>reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while others
>>say not very many people actually listened to the broadcast. The
>>promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries:
>>James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction," which debuts on AMC
>>tonight. Still, Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI)
>>researcher Duncan Forgan told Space.com the "War of the Worlds"
>>broadcast may be instructive to think about as SETI scientists
>>worldwide update their "first contact" protocols. [E.T.
>>Etiquette: How Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
> 
> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night That
> Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and other forms.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
> 
> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I was
> on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't any
> deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked damn
> likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a spoiler,
> that's history.) 

If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as the 
radio broadcast was.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491421

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-05-01 05:28 +0000
Message-ID<p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491415
In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>>07:00am ET 
>>>
>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>
>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>
>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint of
>>>how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized version of
>>>the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds" played on the CBS
>>>Radio system across the United States. The story details how
>>>Martians attacked Earth. 
>>>
>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it for
>>>a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a
>>>reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while others
>>>say not very many people actually listened to the broadcast. The
>>>promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries:
>>>James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction," which debuts on AMC
>>>tonight. Still, Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI)
>>>researcher Duncan Forgan told Space.com the "War of the Worlds"
>>>broadcast may be instructive to think about as SETI scientists
>>>worldwide update their "first contact" protocols. [E.T.
>>>Etiquette: How Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
>> 
>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night That
>> Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and other forms.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
>> 
>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I was
>> on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't any
>> deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked damn
>> likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a spoiler,
>> that's history.) 
>
>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as the 
>radio broadcast was.

There were patches of panic, one or several people at a time,
which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama follows
about five groups of people who reacted to the broadcast in
various ways -- not counting the guys who were doing the
broadcasting.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491433

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 08:51 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D55A180DA69taustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491421
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>>
>>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>>>07:00am ET 
>>>>
>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>>
>>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>>
>>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint
>>>>of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized
>>>>version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds"
>>>>played on the CBS Radio system across the United States. The
>>>>story details how Martians attacked Earth. 
>>>>
>>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it
>>>>for a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a
>>>>reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while
>>>>others say not very many people actually listened to the
>>>>broadcast. The promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of
>>>>"AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction,"
>>>>which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for
>>>>Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan Forgan
>>>>told Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may be
>>>>instructive to think about as SETI scientists worldwide update
>>>>their "first contact" protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How Should
>>>>Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
>>> 
>>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night That
>>> Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and other
>>> forms. 
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
>>> 
>>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I
>>> was on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't any
>>> deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked damn
>>> likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a spoiler,
>>> that's history.) 
>>
>>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as
>>the radio broadcast was.
> 
> There were patches of panic, one or several people at a time,
> which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama follows
> about five groups of people who reacted to the broadcast in
> various ways -- not counting the guys who were doing the
> broadcasting.
> 
Heh. Documentaries aren't what they used to be.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491445

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-05-01 19:37 +0000
Message-ID<p82EI4.1s3G@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491433
In article <XnsA8D55A180DA69taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>>>
>>>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>>>>07:00am ET 
>>>>>
>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>>>
>>>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint
>>>>>of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized
>>>>>version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds"
>>>>>played on the CBS Radio system across the United States. The
>>>>>story details how Martians attacked Earth. 
>>>>>
>>>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it
>>>>>for a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of a
>>>>>reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while
>>>>>others say not very many people actually listened to the
>>>>>broadcast. The promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of
>>>>>"AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction,"
>>>>>which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for
>>>>>Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan Forgan
>>>>>told Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may be
>>>>>instructive to think about as SETI scientists worldwide update
>>>>>their "first contact" protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How Should
>>>>>Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
>>>> 
>>>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night That
>>>> Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and other
>>>> forms. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
>>>> 
>>>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I
>>>> was on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't any
>>>> deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked damn
>>>> likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a spoiler,
>>>> that's history.) 
>>>
>>>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as
>>>the radio broadcast was.
>> 
>> There were patches of panic, one or several people at a time,
>> which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama follows
>> about five groups of people who reacted to the broadcast in
>> various ways -- not counting the guys who were doing the
>> broadcasting.
>> 
>Heh. Documentaries aren't what they used to be.
>

Well ...

Spoilers follow ...



Toward the end of the first act, the studio staff who are *not*
part of the broadcasting cast and crew begin to find out that
there are people going crazy out there, and they invade the
soundproofed engineer's booth and demand that they DO SOMETHING.
It's almost time for a break between acts anyway, so they make an
announcement there that this is a recreation of H. G. Wells's
novel, et cetera.

But of course, most of the people being followed are no longer
listening to the radio because they're on the run.  There is one
guy in a bar who refuses to believe the Martians have landed, and
stays in the bar when everyone else flees.  At the half-time
announcement, he shouts "I told ya it was a radio show!" but
they're not there to listen.

There's also a very nice sequence with a lot of rich people in
San Francisco holding a party.  The maid and butler know it's a
fictional program, but the rest of them Won't Listen and run for
God knows where, carrying valuable paintings and things.  The
butler sits down to listen to the rest of the show, laughing.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491448

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 13:16 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D58711D3A6Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491445
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p82EI4.1s3G@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA8D55A180DA69taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com: 
>>
>>> In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>>>>
>>>>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>>>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>>>>>07:00am ET 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint
>>>>>>of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized
>>>>>>version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds"
>>>>>>played on the CBS Radio system across the United States. The
>>>>>>story details how Martians attacked Earth. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it
>>>>>>for a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of
>>>>>>a reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while
>>>>>>others say not very many people actually listened to the
>>>>>>broadcast. The promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of
>>>>>>"AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction,"
>>>>>>which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for
>>>>>>Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan
>>>>>>Forgan told Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may
>>>>>>be instructive to think about as SETI scientists worldwide
>>>>>>update their "first contact" protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How
>>>>>>Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night
>>>>> That Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and
>>>>> other forms. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I
>>>>> was on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't
>>>>> any deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked
>>>>> damn likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a
>>>>> spoiler, that's history.) 
>>>>
>>>>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as
>>>>the radio broadcast was.
>>> 
>>> There were patches of panic, one or several people at a time,
>>> which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama follows
>>> about five groups of people who reacted to the broadcast in
>>> various ways -- not counting the guys who were doing the
>>> broadcasting.
>>> 
>>Heh. Documentaries aren't what they used to be.
>>
> 
> Well ...
> 
> Spoilers follow ...
> 
> 
> 
> Toward the end of the first act, the studio staff who are *not*
> part of the broadcasting cast and crew begin to find out that
> there are people going crazy out there, and they invade the
> soundproofed engineer's booth and demand that they DO SOMETHING.
> It's almost time for a break between acts anyway, so they make
> an announcement there that this is a recreation of H. G. Wells's
> novel, et cetera.

Yeah, my dad thought that part was hysterically funny.
> 
> But of course, most of the people being followed are no longer
> listening to the radio because they're on the run.  There is one
> guy in a bar who refuses to believe the Martians have landed,
> and stays in the bar when everyone else flees.  At the half-time
> announcement, he shouts "I told ya it was a radio show!" but
> they're not there to listen.
> 
> There's also a very nice sequence with a lot of rich people in
> San Francisco holding a party.  The maid and butler know it's a
> fictional program, but the rest of them Won't Listen and run for
> God knows where, carrying valuable paintings and things.  The
> butler sits down to listen to the rest of the show, laughing.
> 
Sounds to me like tales that have grown - greatly - in the
telling. Certainly, there was no coverage of mass panic at the
time. 

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491454

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2018-05-01 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<p82H6A.1y0C@kithrup.com>
In reply to#491448
In article <XnsA8D58711D3A6Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:p82EI4.1s3G@kithrup.com: 
>
>> In article <XnsA8D55A180DA69taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com: 
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>>>>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30, 2018
>>>>>>>07:00am ET 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>>>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>>>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint
>>>>>>>of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized
>>>>>>>version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of the Worlds"
>>>>>>>played on the CBS Radio system across the United States. The
>>>>>>>story details how Martians attacked Earth. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook it
>>>>>>>for a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how much of
>>>>>>>a reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide panic, while
>>>>>>>others say not very many people actually listened to the
>>>>>>>broadcast. The promise of alien life stars in Episode 1 of
>>>>>>>"AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction,"
>>>>>>>which debuts on AMC tonight. Still, Search for
>>>>>>>Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher Duncan
>>>>>>>Forgan told Space.com the "War of the Worlds" broadcast may
>>>>>>>be instructive to think about as SETI scientists worldwide
>>>>>>>update their "first contact" protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How
>>>>>>>Should Humanity Interact with Alien Life?] 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night
>>>>>> That Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and
>>>>>> other forms. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_America
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago, I
>>>>>> was on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There weren't
>>>>>> any deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it looked
>>>>>> damn likely that there were going to be.  (That's not a
>>>>>> spoiler, that's history.) 
>>>>>
>>>>>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional as
>>>>>the radio broadcast was.
>>>> 
>>>> There were patches of panic, one or several people at a time,
>>>> which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama follows
>>>> about five groups of people who reacted to the broadcast in
>>>> various ways -- not counting the guys who were doing the
>>>> broadcasting.
>>>> 
>>>Heh. Documentaries aren't what they used to be.
>>>
>> 
>> Well ...
>> 
>> Spoilers follow ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Toward the end of the first act, the studio staff who are *not*
>> part of the broadcasting cast and crew begin to find out that
>> there are people going crazy out there, and they invade the
>> soundproofed engineer's booth and demand that they DO SOMETHING.
>> It's almost time for a break between acts anyway, so they make
>> an announcement there that this is a recreation of H. G. Wells's
>> novel, et cetera.
>
>Yeah, my dad thought that part was hysterically funny.
>> 
>> But of course, most of the people being followed are no longer
>> listening to the radio because they're on the run.  There is one
>> guy in a bar who refuses to believe the Martians have landed,
>> and stays in the bar when everyone else flees.  At the half-time
>> announcement, he shouts "I told ya it was a radio show!" but
>> they're not there to listen.
>> 
>> There's also a very nice sequence with a lot of rich people in
>> San Francisco holding a party.  The maid and butler know it's a
>> fictional program, but the rest of them Won't Listen and run for
>> God knows where, carrying valuable paintings and things.  The
>> butler sits down to listen to the rest of the show, laughing.
>> 
>Sounds to me like tales that have grown - greatly - in the
>telling. Certainly, there was no coverage of mass panic at the
>time. 

Well, there was, in the newspapers, after the fact.  I have a
book contining photos of newspaper clippings, cartoons, et
cetera.  If you really want cites, I can find the book.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#491456

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 14:10 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D590422BBE1taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491454
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p82H6A.1y0C@kithrup.com: 

> In article <XnsA8D58711D3A6Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:p82EI4.1s3G@kithrup.com: 
>>
>>> In article <XnsA8D55A180DA69taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>> wrote: 
>>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>news:p81B6z.1BuJ@kithrup.com: 
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsA8D4D2ADF74CBtaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>,
>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>>>news:p80o1t.1GG@kithrup.com: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <pc7d5301g00@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>>>>>> a425couple  <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>>>By Elizabeth Howell, Space.com Contributor | April 30,
>>>>>>>>2018 07:00am ET 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How Would Humanity React If We Really Found Aliens?
>>>>>>>>An invasion of Earth by alien flying saucers is a trope of
>>>>>>>>science fiction. But what if aliens really did find us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's a question that has puzzled science fiction fans and
>>>>>>>>scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a
>>>>>>>>hint of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a
>>>>>>>>dramatized version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "War of
>>>>>>>>the Worlds" played on the CBS Radio system across the
>>>>>>>>United States. The story details how Martians attacked
>>>>>>>>Earth. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The radio broadcast caused a reaction when people mistook
>>>>>>>>it for a real radio report, but accounts vary as to how
>>>>>>>>much of a reaction. Some accounts describe nationwide
>>>>>>>>panic, while others say not very many people actually
>>>>>>>>listened to the broadcast. The promise of alien life stars
>>>>>>>>in Episode 1 of "AMC Visionaries: James Cameron's Story of
>>>>>>>>Science Fiction," which debuts on AMC tonight. Still,
>>>>>>>>Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher
>>>>>>>>Duncan Forgan told Space.com the "War of the Worlds"
>>>>>>>>broadcast may be instructive to think about as SETI
>>>>>>>>scientists worldwide update their "first contact"
>>>>>>>>protocols. [E.T. Etiquette: How Should Humanity Interact
>>>>>>>>with Alien Life?] 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And there's an excellent docu-drama about it, "The Night
>>>>>>> That Panicked America," now finally available on DVD and
>>>>>>> other forms. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_That_Panicked_Ameri
>>>>>>> ca 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I first saw it on the tube, lo these many years ago,
>>>>>>> I was on the edge of my seat, telling myself "There
>>>>>>> weren't any deaths, there weren't any deaths."  Because it
>>>>>>> looked damn likely that there were going to be.  (That's
>>>>>>> not a spoiler, that's history.) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it claimed there was widespread panic, it's as fictional
>>>>>>as the radio broadcast was.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There were patches of panic, one or several people at a
>>>>> time, which made for exciting newspaper copy.  The docudrama
>>>>> follows about five groups of people who reacted to the
>>>>> broadcast in various ways -- not counting the guys who were
>>>>> doing the broadcasting.
>>>>> 
>>>>Heh. Documentaries aren't what they used to be.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Well ...
>>> 
>>> Spoilers follow ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Toward the end of the first act, the studio staff who are
>>> *not* part of the broadcasting cast and crew begin to find out
>>> that there are people going crazy out there, and they invade
>>> the soundproofed engineer's booth and demand that they DO
>>> SOMETHING. It's almost time for a break between acts anyway,
>>> so they make an announcement there that this is a recreation
>>> of H. G. Wells's novel, et cetera.
>>
>>Yeah, my dad thought that part was hysterically funny.
>>> 
>>> But of course, most of the people being followed are no longer
>>> listening to the radio because they're on the run.  There is
>>> one guy in a bar who refuses to believe the Martians have
>>> landed, and stays in the bar when everyone else flees.  At the
>>> half-time announcement, he shouts "I told ya it was a radio
>>> show!" but they're not there to listen.
>>> 
>>> There's also a very nice sequence with a lot of rich people in
>>> San Francisco holding a party.  The maid and butler know it's
>>> a fictional program, but the rest of them Won't Listen and run
>>> for God knows where, carrying valuable paintings and things. 
>>> The butler sits down to listen to the rest of the show,
>>> laughing. 
>>> 
>>Sounds to me like tales that have grown - greatly - in the
>>telling. Certainly, there was no coverage of mass panic at the
>>time. 
> 
> Well, there was, in the newspapers, after the fact.

Not much.

>  I have a
> book contining photos of newspaper clippings, cartoons, et
> cetera.  If you really want cites, I can find the book.
> 
And newspapers weren't much more reliable then than they are now.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491470

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2018-05-01 15:46 -0700
Message-ID<fa487f78-9dc6-4a00-9d42-369f2818f24a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#491454
When Orson Welles broadcast his adaptation of The War of the Worlds, 
a few dozen individuals, who tuned in after the program began, thus missing 
the announcement of what was to come, were in fact confused, and did panic.

A few dozen, across the length and breadth of the United States of America.

While this was hardly plunging the nation into chaos - and no tragedies 
resulted, although one suicide was narrowly averted - it was sufficient 
to create a realization of the power and potential danger of radio, and so 
it led to a more extensive level of government regulation thereof.

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#491475

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-01 16:46 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D5AAA67A65Btaustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#491470
Once again, you snip out all of what you're replying to, so it's 
impossible to even tell *who* you are replying to without reloading 
old messages.

Dumbass.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:fa487f78-9dc6-4a00-9d42-369f2818f24a@googlegroups.com: 

> When Orson Welles broadcast his adaptation of The War of the
> Worlds, a few dozen individuals, who tuned in after the program
> began, thus missing the announcement of what was to come, were
> in fact confused, and did panic. 
> 
> A few dozen, across the length and breadth of the United States
> of America. 

Yeah, pretty much. You'll find more people today who believe that 
most elected officials are actually lizard people disguised as 
humans.
> 
> While this was hardly plunging the nation into chaos - and no
> tragedies resulted, although one suicide was narrowly averted -
> it was sufficient to create a realization of the power and
> potential danger of radio, and so it led to a more extensive
> level of government regulation thereof. 
> 
Not really, no. That's a fantasy of people who have advertisting to 
sell, and know that panic and outrage will bring the best rates.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491519

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2018-05-02 16:23 +0000
Message-ID<20180502a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#491475
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once again, you snip out all of what you're replying to, so it's
> impossible to even tell *who* you are replying to without reloading
> old messages.
>
> Dumbass.
>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:fa487f78-9dc6-4a00-9d42-369f2818f24a@googlegroups.com:
>
>> When Orson Welles broadcast his adaptation of The War of the
>> Worlds, a few dozen individuals, who tuned in after the program
>> began, thus missing the announcement of what was to come, were
>> in fact confused, and did panic.
>>
>> A few dozen, across the length and breadth of the United States
>> of America.
>
> Yeah, pretty much. You'll find more people today who believe that
> most elected officials are actually lizard people disguised as
> humans.
>>
>> While this was hardly plunging the nation into chaos - and no
>> tragedies resulted, although one suicide was narrowly averted -
>> it was sufficient to create a realization of the power and
>> potential danger of radio, and so it led to a more extensive
>> level of government regulation thereof.
>>
> Not really, no. That's a fantasy of people who have advertisting to
> sell, and know that panic and outrage will bring the best rates.
>

Decades before the Welles broadcast, monopolistic minded mass media 
tyrants such as General David Sarnoff enlisted Uncle Sam to quash 
person-to-person two-way radio communications in favor of one-to-many
one-way radio /broadcasts/. General Sarnoff's Empire of the Air was a 
fait accompli long before Madison Avenue baffle-gabbed about the
reported _War of the Worlds_ mass hysteria in 1938. ✍

Thank you,

-- 
Don

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#491542

Frommvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Date2018-05-02 21:57 +0000
Message-ID<ovqGC.104849$T14.86410@fx44.iad>
In reply to#491475
In article <XnsA8D5AAA67A65Btaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>You'll find more people today who believe that most elected
>officials are actually lizard people disguised as humans.

Though that would explain a lot...

-- 
Mike Van Pelt       |  "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com   |   -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH              |      Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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#491545

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-02 15:08 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8D699F5AB91taustingmail@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#491542
mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) wrote in news:ovqGC.104849
$T14.86410@fx44.iad:

> In article <XnsA8D5AAA67A65Btaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>You'll find more people today who believe that most elected
>>officials are actually lizard people disguised as humans.
> 
> Though that would explain a lot...
> 
It seems likely that you're one of them, yes.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#491554

Frommvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Date2018-05-02 22:42 +0000
Message-ID<E9rGC.96674$PE5.11052@fx37.iad>
In reply to#491545
In article <XnsA8D699F5AB91taustingmail@69.16.179.42>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>mvp@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) wrote in news:ovqGC.104849
>$T14.86410@fx44.iad:
>
>> In article <XnsA8D5AAA67A65Btaustingmail@69.16.179.43>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha  <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>You'll find more people today who believe that most elected
>>>officials are actually lizard people disguised as humans.
>> 
>> Though that would explain a lot...
>> 
>It seems likely that you're one of them, yes.

Shhh!!  Shhhh!!!  Ix-nay on the izard-lay stuff!!!

-- 
Mike Van Pelt       |  "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com   |   -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH              |      Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

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