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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-05-05 18:03 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 290 — 42 participants |
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Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 23:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-14 03:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:16 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 21:40 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 19:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-15 15:19 +1200
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:10 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-15 20:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:38 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 13:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 22:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 01:39 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:26 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:35 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 18:44 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:01 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:02 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:13 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:56 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:09 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-15 16:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:42 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:41 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:46 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-04-16 13:05 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:49 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:17 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:49 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 08:13 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:47 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:54 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 17:50 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:33 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-16 12:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:56 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 13:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:33 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 21:00 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 01:03 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:59 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 13:37 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 21:15 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:34 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:03 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:40 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:38 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-18 21:15 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:15 -0500
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Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:28 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:06 -0400
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 03:40 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:23 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:32 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:35 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:10 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:37 -0600
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3d72a88b-417e-4947-86a1-e432f509d4ac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490213 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 1:30:55 AM UTC-4, David Johnston wrote: > On 2018-04-13 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: > > I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. > > > > One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is _Fahrenheit 451_. > > > > I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid them. > > > > But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > > > > Well obviously I despise Lord Foul's Bane...but that's not rare. I > think that more people have read that without liking it than any other > sf book I know of. Perhaps it's odder that I've had a bellyful of > Prachett and will never read anything he writes again. About three or > four books into the Sword of Truth I threw the latest one against the > wall denouncing it as "Randite nonsense" and stopped reading him as well. > > And looking through this list > > https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books > > I'm just wondering what the hell Shannara is doing on it. I don't hate > it but it seriously doesn't belong in that company. Thanks a lot for the link. I have almost all those books. I have _Lord Foul's Bane_ on my re-read list. And I noticed that the underwhelming _Fahrenheit 451_ is on the list.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bb6a6cde-d547-42d9-960a-7eb926977b1c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490213 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+10, David Johnston wrote: > On 2018-04-13 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: > > I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. > > > > One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is _Fahrenheit 451_. > > > > I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid them. > > > > But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > > > > Well obviously I despise Lord Foul's Bane...but that's not rare. I > think that more people have read that without liking it than any other > sf book I know of. Perhaps it's odder that I've had a bellyful of > Prachett and will never read anything he writes again. About three or > four books into the Sword of Truth I threw the latest one against the > wall denouncing it as "Randite nonsense" and stopped reading him as well. > > And looking through this list > > https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books > > I'm just wondering what the hell Shannara is doing on it. I don't hate > it but it seriously doesn't belong in that company. I'm just wondering what the hell Harry Potter and Narnia are doing not on it. I know we often argue about what is or isn't science fiction and fantasy but I'd struggle to come up with any definition that didn't include those two. I suppose it's possible that no-one voted for either but I highly doubt that, particularly HP. That list was compiled in 2011, the year that the film series came to an end. It was also only a year after the third installment in the Narnia movies came out. -Moriarty
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pb0nr5$csi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490394 |
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC+10, David Johnston wrote: >> On 2018-04-13 10:44 PM, The Zygon wrote: >> > I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but which they think is crap. Or at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. I suspect that many people know of just such stories or books, even authors whose body of work they think is quite undeserving of the praise heaped upon them. >> > >> > One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is _Fahrenheit 451_. >> > >> > I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid them. >> > >> > But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >> > >> >> Well obviously I despise Lord Foul's Bane...but that's not rare. I >> think that more people have read that without liking it than any other >> sf book I know of. Perhaps it's odder that I've had a bellyful of >> Prachett and will never read anything he writes again. About three or >> four books into the Sword of Truth I threw the latest one against the >> wall denouncing it as "Randite nonsense" and stopped reading him as well. >> >> And looking through this list >> >> https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books >> >> I'm just wondering what the hell Shannara is doing on it. I don't hate >> it but it seriously doesn't belong in that company. > > I'm just wondering what the hell Harry Potter and Narnia are doing not on it. I know we often argue about what is or isn't science fiction and fantasy but I'd struggle to come up with any definition that didn't include those two. > > I suppose it's possible that no-one voted for either but I highly doubt that, particularly HP. That list was compiled in 2011, the year that the film series came to an end. It was also only a year after the third installment in the Narnia movies came out. > > -Moriarty They probably classified them as "young adult", which they said they were going to do at some future date. (I don't recall if they did or not.) Tony
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| From | Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <de6ee4cc-20b8-475c-b50a-345b0382cc1d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490212 |
Somewhat to the side of what The Zygon wrote: >I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but ... >at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. I like The Foundation Trilogy as much as the next, but every time I hear Hollywood is trying to adapt it, I'm just ... no. (Apple has it now, for a "Game of Thrones"-like series ... just, no.) In this case I think it's other people who don't understand the books. In an outside discussion, someone is asking how Harlan Ellison gets such a pass on being a jerk. I haven't contributed, realising the only thing I could say would be, "He's not like that all the time," or, "He did give us '___'," but I'm not sure what story or stories to put in that blank. -- -Jack
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <patdoa$ajq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #490224 |
On 2018-04-14 7:16 AM, Jack Bohn wrote: > Somewhat to the side of what The Zygon wrote: > >> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but > > ... > >> at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. > > I like The Foundation Trilogy as much as the next, but every time I hear Hollywood is trying to adapt it, I'm just ... no. > (Apple has it now, for a "Game of Thrones"-like series ... just, no.) > In this case I think it's other people who don't understand the books. > > > In an outside discussion, someone is asking how Harlan Ellison gets such a pass on being a jerk. I haven't contributed, realising the only thing I could say would be, "He's not like that all the time," or, "He did give us '___'," but I'm not sure what story or stories to put in that blank. > Repent Harlequin Said The Ticktockman. Also the first draft of City On The Edge of Forever.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pauh81$c5q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490224 |
On 4/14/2018 8:16 AM, Jack Bohn wrote:
> Somewhat to the side of what The Zygon wrote:
>
>> I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but
>
> ...
>
>> at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book.
>
> I like The Foundation Trilogy as much as the next, but every time I hear Hollywood is trying to adapt it, I'm just ... no.
> (Apple has it now, for a "Game of Thrones"-like series ... just, no.)
> In this case I think it's other people who don't understand the books.
>
>
> In an outside discussion, someone is asking how Harlan Ellison gets such a pass on being a jerk. I haven't contributed, realising the only thing I could say would be, "He's not like that all the time," or, "He did give us '___'," but I'm not sure what story or stories to put in that blank.
_Vic and Blood_. The final paragraph of the original story is either
priceless or one of the greatest sins of literature ever. *burp*
https://www.amazon.com/Vic-Blood-Stories-Harlan-Ellison/dp/1497643317/
Lynn
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| From | Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1786466d-fe40-4ef0-ae43-b53ffc7ee85e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490224 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 9:16:44 AM UTC-4, Jack Bohn wrote: > Somewhat to the side of what The Zygon wrote: > > >I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is quite famous, but > > ... > > >at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. > > I like The Foundation Trilogy as much as the next, but every time I hear Hollywood is trying to adapt it, I'm just ... no. > (Apple has it now, for a "Game of Thrones"-like series ... just, no.) > In this case I think it's other people who don't understand the books. > > > In an outside discussion, someone is asking how Harlan Ellison gets such a pass on being a jerk. I haven't contributed, realising the only thing I could say would be, "He's not like that all the time," or, "He did give us '___'," but I'm not sure what story or stories to put in that blank. > FWIW, the one time I was in proximity to Ellison was in an elevator at a con in, oh, probably the late '70s or early '80s. I enjoyed his work, but I don't think I knew his reputation. I was very young, and entirely prepared to be awestruck by SF writers. Yet I stepped out of that elevator thinking "What a jerk." I couldn't tell you at this point what he did to evoke the response. Maybe it was just his aura. Whatever it was, it made a strong impression. Richard R. Hershberger
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7CFFF.pv@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490525 |
In article <1786466d-fe40-4ef0-ae43-b53ffc7ee85e@googlegroups.com>, Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> wrote: >On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 9:16:44 AM UTC-4, Jack Bohn wrote: >> Somewhat to the side of what The Zygon wrote: >> >> >I suspect that everyone knows at least one story or book which is >quite famous, but >> >> ... >> >> >at minimum cannot see what is so great about the story or book. >> >> I like The Foundation Trilogy as much as the next, but every time I >hear Hollywood is trying to adapt it, I'm just ... no. >> (Apple has it now, for a "Game of Thrones"-like series ... just, no.) >> In this case I think it's other people who don't understand the books. >> >> >> In an outside discussion, someone is asking how Harlan Ellison gets >such a pass on being a jerk. I haven't contributed, realising the only >thing I could say would be, "He's not like that all the time," or, "He >did give us '___'," but I'm not sure what story or stories to put in >that blank. >> > >FWIW, the one time I was in proximity to Ellison was in an elevator at a >con in, oh, probably the late '70s or early '80s. I enjoyed his work, >but I don't think I knew his reputation. I was very young, and entirely >prepared to be awestruck by SF writers. Yet I stepped out of that >elevator thinking "What a jerk." I couldn't tell you at this point what >he did to evoke the response. Maybe it was just his aura. Whatever it >was, it made a strong impression. Well, he's short; and he grew up Jewish in the middle of white-bread-and-mayonnaise America. The combination would be enough to put a fairly resilient chip on any man's shoulder. Now, some men manage to overcome their childhoods and remove their chips. Some don't. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> |
| In reply to | #490212 |
In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >_Fahrenheit 451_. > >I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >them. > >But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the end. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together." my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p76ps1.A7t@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490236 |
In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: >In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, >The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>_Fahrenheit 451_. >> >>I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>them. >> >>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >end. As Tolkien said of his work: "_The Lord of the Rings_ -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Is one of those things. If you like, it you do; If you don't you boo."
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <patr0i$o20$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490241 |
On 4/14/2018 9:57 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, > Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: >> In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, >> The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>> _Fahrenheit 451_. >>> >>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>> them. >>> >>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >> >> Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >> through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >> end. > > As Tolkien said of his work: > > "_The Lord of the Rings_ > I think you hit 'send' too soon, Dorothy. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p772HM.zBD@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490248 |
In article <patr0i$o20$2@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: >On 4/14/2018 9:57 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, >> Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: >>> In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, >>> The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>>> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>>> _Fahrenheit 451_. >>>> >>>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>>> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>>> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>>> them. >>>> >>>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. >>> >>> Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >>> through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >>> end. >> >> As Tolkien said of his work: >> >> "_The Lord of the Rings_ >> >I think you hit 'send' too soon, Dorothy. > I think so too. Sorry. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a4c9fea6-d71f-45b3-857a-eb1da7811c0f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490249 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <patr0i$o20$2@dont-email.me>, > Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote: > >On 4/14/2018 9:57 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, > >> Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: > >>> In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, > >>> The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is > >>>> _Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is > >>>> _Fahrenheit 451_. > >>>> > >>>> I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this > >>>> story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological > >>>> debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, > >>>> other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid > >>>> them. > >>>> > >>>> But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > >>> > >>> Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway > >>> through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the > >>> end. > >> > >> As Tolkien said of his work: > >> > >> "_The Lord of the Rings_ > >> > >I think you hit 'send' too soon, Dorothy. > > > > I think so too. Sorry. Well, don't keep us in suspense. What _did_ Tolkien say about his work? John Savard
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p77Gv2.1rCA@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490263 |
In article <a4c9fea6-d71f-45b3-857a-eb1da7811c0f@googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > >Well, don't keep us in suspense. What _did_ Tolkien say about his work? I repeat, somewhat more togetherish: "_The Lord of the Rings_ Is one of those things. If you like it, you do; If you don't you boo." -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7c7450d8-d0db-4da2-8dac-51f65d9b55b9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490241 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 11:15:08 AM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, > Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway > >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the > >end. > > As Tolkien said of his work: > > "_The Lord of the Rings_ You weren't thinking of Tolkien's rather scathing barb at some of his early reviewers: "Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible, and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing that they evidently prefer." John Savard
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p77Gzu.1rqJ@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490257 |
In article <7c7450d8-d0db-4da2-8dac-51f65d9b55b9@googlegroups.com>, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 11:15:08 AM UTC-6, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <pataop$18i$2@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, >> Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: > >> >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >> >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >> >end. >> >> As Tolkien said of his work: >> >> "_The Lord of the Rings_ > >You weren't thinking of Tolkien's rather scathing barb at some of his >early reviewers: > >"Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it >boring, absurd, or contemptible, and I have no cause to complain, since I have >similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing that they evidently >prefer." Yup. He could turn a mean phrase, Tolkien could. "Tolkien's mind was one of unmatchable subtlety, not without a streak of deliberate guile." T. A. Shippey, The Road to Middle-Earth, p. 4. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PvxAC.43219$gW2.37292@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #490236 |
wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) writes: >In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, >The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is >>_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is >>_Fahrenheit 451_. >> >>I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this >>story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological >>debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, >>other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid >>them. >> >>But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > >Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the >end. > Hear! Hear!
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <TtOdnbL2YobMaE_HnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #490254 |
On 2018-04-15, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) writes: >>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >>through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the end. > > Hear! Hear! If you get the urge again? Try reading the Appendices first, maybe. Or just the first story in the Silmarillion (there's four pieces parts to the book). Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78EFt.1rxp@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490291 |
In article <TtOdnbL2YobMaE_HnZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com>, David DeLaney <dbdatvic@gmail.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-15, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) writes: >>>Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway >>>through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the end. >> >> Hear! Hear! > >If you get the urge again? Try reading the Appendices first, maybe. Or just >the first story in the Silmarillion (there's four pieces parts to the book). _The Silmarillion_ is the Bible for Elves. I have no idea whether someone who repeatedly bounces of _LotR_ would like it, but I suppose it's worth a try. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <af3e84d6-3b59-4301-9848-0908064434d2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490236 |
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:37:47 PM UTC-4, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In article <44fc81e3-45d7-47ae-970e-a5d9fbe8f4b0@googlegroups.com>, > The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > >One author whose work I don't like and whose fame I don't quite get is > >_Spider Robinson_. And one story whose fame I don't quite get is > >_Fahrenheit 451_. > > > >I am not going to try to justify my feelings about this author or this > >story. I find such debates about aesthetics very similar to theological > >debates. A whole of feeling and a whole lot of talking past each other, > >other ending in hurt feelings and no agreement. I prefer to just avoid > >them. > > > >But I would like to hear of such stories, books or authors from others. > > Seriously, JRRT. The third time I put down LoTR less than halfway > through, I gave up on any prospect of making it all the way to the > end. > > -GAWollman > > -- > Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, > wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is > Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together." > my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015) LOTR is the sci fi _War And Peace_.
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