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Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It

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  Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 11:32 -0800
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 13:44 -0600
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-10 20:57 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-10 21:45 +0000
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-11 03:12 +0000
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-11 04:15 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:39 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-12-12 20:00 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2016-12-12 20:00 +0000
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 13:14 -0700
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-12 20:54 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-12 16:10 -0800
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-12 16:29 -0800
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 20:41 -0700
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-12-12 19:46 -0800
                          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-12-13 04:14 +0000
                          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 06:48 -0600
                            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 05:12 -0800
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 05:18 -0800
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 14:23 +0000
                              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 21:00 -0600
                                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 19:33 -0800
                            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-13 12:16 -0800
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 03:57 -0800
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 04:48 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2016-12-11 00:25 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 13:39 +0000
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-11 17:45 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-12 14:16 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-12 23:22 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-12 15:40 -0800
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-11 10:49 -0800
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 22:33 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:20 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-11 17:07 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-11 17:31 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-12 04:24 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-12 04:26 -0700
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2016-12-10 21:23 +0000
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:04 -0500
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 18:24 -0600
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:29 -0500
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-12 04:32 -0700
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 06:51 -0500
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-12-12 12:55 -0500
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-12 13:00 -0500
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-12 18:05 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-12-12 12:07 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-12 12:26 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-11 09:29 -0600
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-12-12 20:50 -0600
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-10 20:36 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:03 -0500
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-11 00:48 +0000
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 14:23 -0700
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 19:12 -0500
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-10 19:18 -0500
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-12-10 22:48 +0000
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 16:46 -0800
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 17:15 -0800
    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It eichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice) - 2016-12-12 18:38 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-12-12 15:48 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 03:21 +0000
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It eichlerSPAMBGONE2@comcastsucksbecausetheydontsupportuse.net (Bice) - 2016-12-13 22:12 +0000
      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2016-12-13 09:51 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 11:01 -0800
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 19:19 +0000
            The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-13 13:05 -0700
              Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-13 15:57 -0500
                Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 21:57 +0000
                  Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 15:28 -0800
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 23:38 +0000
                      Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-12-13 16:23 -0800
                        Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-14 01:35 +0000
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-12-14 00:05 -0800
                Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. David Johnston <Davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-13 15:49 -0700
                  Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 16:54 -0800
                    Re: The Dead Past and other stories where the author's message wasn't received. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-12-13 20:13 -0500
            Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:02 -0800
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-13 21:11 +0000
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:48 -0800
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 18:02 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 13:51 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:56 -0800
                Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:04 +0000
                  Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-12-13 22:37 +0000
                    Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 23:42 +0000
                      Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-13 19:07 -0500
                        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-14 01:38 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-13 22:00 +0000
              Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-13 21:10 -0600
          Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-12-13 13:41 -0800
        Re: Generic YASID: It's The End Of The World As We Know It And We All Know It Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-12-13 22:22 -0700

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#459688

FromDavid DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net>
Date2016-12-13 21:00 -0600
Message-ID<y-qdnX43V95LKM3FnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#459597
On 2016-12-13, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:48:47 AM UTC-5, David DeLaney wrote:
>> In the Silver Age, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of Kryptonians
>> available to use as test monkeys. Besides Kal, Kara, and Krypto, there were
>> dozens of Phantom Zone villians, some of which might even have deserved
>> de-powering... and of course the bottle city of Kandor, which has GOT to be
>> one of the most surreal plot ingredients in that eschatology.
>
> ...ITYM 'in that mythology'

If there's other planes of existence involved _and_ weakly- or strongly-godlike
individuals, I'm not taking chances.

_Especially_ ones who are rumored to be able to break into our _own reality
level_.

>> Dave, especially since (pauses to check wikipedia) Clark & Jimmy Olsen had
>>  secret identities as super(science)heroes Nightwing and Flamebird _inside_
>>  said bottle city. NOT MAKING THIS UP
>
> weird

The drugs they used were from a happier time.

Dave, we can't stop here, this is Beppo country
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd	- net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#459691

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2016-12-13 19:33 -0800
Message-ID<63f659ca-2cb0-49af-bf00-741ffac9f27d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459688
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:00:45 PM UTC-5, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2016-12-13, Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:48:47 AM UTC-5, David DeLaney wrote:
> >> In the Silver Age, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of Kryptonians
> >> available to use as test monkeys. Besides Kal, Kara, and Krypto, there were
> >> dozens of Phantom Zone villians, some of which might even have deserved
> >> de-powering... and of course the bottle city of Kandor, which has GOT to be
> >> one of the most surreal plot ingredients in that eschatology.
> >
> > ...ITYM 'in that mythology'
> 
> If there's other planes of existence involved _and_ weakly- or strongly-godlike
> individuals, I'm not taking chances.
> 
> _Especially_ ones who are rumored to be able to break into our _own reality
> level_.
> 
> >> Dave, especially since (pauses to check wikipedia) Clark & Jimmy Olsen had
> >>  secret identities as super(science)heroes Nightwing and Flamebird _inside_
> >>  said bottle city. NOT MAKING THIS UP
> >
> > weird
> 
> The drugs they used were from a happier time.
> 
> Dave, we can't stop here, this is Beppo country
> 

And young Kara Zor-El, like many a teenage girl, was crazy for
horses.  (Biron the Bowman.....?)

Kevin R

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#459631

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-12-13 12:16 -0800
Message-ID<2f444d97-d92e-4264-b008-97a229091585@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459593
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 5:48:47 AM UTC-7, David DeLaney wrote:

> Dave, especially since (pauses to check wikipedia) Clark & Jimmy Olsen had
>  secret identities as super(science)heroes Nightwing and Flamebird _inside_
>  said bottle city. NOT MAKING THIS UP

And of course, that particular dynamic duo had echoes and repercussions...

Thus, Princess Koriand'r, an old flame of Robin's... after he grew up, and had 
been replaced by other Robins as Batman's sidekick... was occasionally referred 
to him affectionately as a flamebird... Dick Grayson's new superhero name at 
the time was Nightwing.

Aside from Superman and Jimmy Olsen operating under the names "Nightwing" and "Flamebird" in Kandor in one episode when Superman was hunted under a false accusation that he was deliberately keeping Kandor from enlarging... I thought there was another adventure where Batman was Nightwing instead of Superman, but my memory is playing tricks on me. However, I see that Van-Zee and Ak-Var took over these identities for a while in the later Silver Age... and there's been a recent adventure or two involving a duo of two women...

John Savard

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#459589

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2016-12-13 03:57 -0800
Message-ID<e36fb820-ad06-4eda-8b32-e479b07c5d50@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459564
On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 10:41:05 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote:
> On 12/12/2016 5:10 PM, Kevrob wrote:

> > ......the best and most sfnal episode of "The
> > Adventures of Superman" on TV - "Panic In The Sky!"
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0506583/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt
> >
> > In short, the Man of Tomorrow only partially succeeds in deflecting
> > a rogue asteroid.  It winds up in an unstable orbit around Terra,
> > and our favorite Kryptonian immigrant winds up with a case of temporary
> > amnesia, from some combination of the terrific impact with which
> > he smacked the wandering rock, or exposure to unknown elements on it,
> > possibly Kryptonite. The TV show never used "red kryptonite," and if
> > this ep had been in color, like some of the later ones, it would have
> > been a good idea to import that from the comics.
> 
> Except that the comics only started to use Red Kryptonite 6 years after 
> that episode. 

Ah, yes I had just learned to read when the Silver Age hit its stride,
and saw all the AoS episodes in rerun.

The first comics depictions of K had it colored red.  The main isotope
was changed to green later.

[quote]

Originally red in color, the mineral debuted in Superman #61 (November 
1949) and did not adopt its characteristic green hue until Action Comics 
#161 (Aug. 1951)

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite

> The Kryptonite rainbow was Silver Age wackiness.

...which wackiness I thoroughly enjoyed.  I was the right age.

Kryptonite originated as "K-metal" in an unpublished story
by Jerry Siegel and the Joe Shuster studio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_K-Metal_from_Krypton

It debuted under the familiar name on the radio.  I don't
know what color it was on the wireless!

Kevin R

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#459407

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-11 04:48 +0000
Message-ID<oI0802.16oE@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459400
In article <20161210b@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:f6633721-3875-473e-bb57-5f5fca9d00dd@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>>   How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time
>>>>>   And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The
>>>>>   standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be
>>>>>   widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten
>>>>>   out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I
>>>>>   can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>   What I don't mean is "weak" dystopian stuff like _FROOMB_ which
>>>>>   presents a sort of pervasive sense that things are turning to shit,
>>>>>   I mean the Vogons have made their announcement or we can see the
>>>>>   asteroid coming or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I was inspired to ask by this video:
>>>>>
>>>>> hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqIt93dDG1M
>>>>>
>>>>> TL;DNW: a professor emeritus from the University of Arizona says it's
>>>>> Game Over, that humanity has less than ten years before we go extinct.
>>>>
>>>>>   I suggest watching it anyway; it's either blood-chilling or amusing
>>>>>   depending on your POV.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the Beach
>>>> SevenEves
>>>> The Forge of God
>>>>
>>>> immediately spring to mind.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Lynn's prepper porn counts.
>>>
>>>Does _Lucifer's Hammer_ (Niven/Pournelle) count?
>>>
>>>Have a serving of prepper porn, if you please. :0)
>>>
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/post-shtf-shopping-trip.jpg
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/and-so-it-starts.jpg
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/will-take-that-bet.jpg
>>
>> For that kind of thinking, _Farnham's Freehold._  I disliked most
>> of that book intensely, but the emergency packing lists were
>> interesting.
>
>Another reviewer [1] says about the same thing.
>
>    It's weird how technical and seemingly realistic Farnham's
>    Freehold becomes when it\xe2\x80\x99s about bomb shelters and logistics.
>    Especially considering how unrealistic the novel is when it
>    comes to its characters and world-building.
>
>"The Last Night of the World" (Bradbury) is yet another story that
>meets the OP's criteria, with a plot twist at the end.

Okay, I don't remember that one, but I do remember an "end of the
world" story from, I think, the 1950s in _Galaxy._  Newspapers
all over the lot, with gigantic headlines, THIS IS THE DAY THE
WORLD ENDS.

Final paragraphs, someone listening to the radio, "He made it!
All the way to Mars and back, on schedule!"

Cheering, hugging and kissing, because this was the day the world
ended.  And the Universe began.

(Approximate from memory, obviously.)  Anyone have a YASID?

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459412

FromKay Shapero <kay@invalid.net>
Date2016-12-11 00:25 -0800
Message-ID<MPG.32b6ad63e4d89ae79899f0@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#459407
In article <oI0802.16oE@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
> 

> 
> Okay, I don't remember that one, but I do remember an "end of the
> world" story from, I think, the 1950s in _Galaxy._  Newspapers
> all over the lot, with gigantic headlines, THIS IS THE DAY THE
> WORLD ENDS.
> 
> Final paragraphs, someone listening to the radio, "He made it!
> All the way to Mars and back, on schedule!"
> 
> Cheering, hugging and kissing, because this was the day the world
> ended.  And the Universe began.
> 
> (Approximate from memory, obviously.)  Anyone have a YASID?

"End As A World", by F. L. Wallace in Galaxy SF, September 1955.  You 
can find it here: 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/EndAsWorld

(that's a preview url, so it'll show you the actual (kinda long) url for 
you to click on.)

-- 

Kay Shapero
Address munged, try my first name at kayshapero dot net.

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#459416

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-11 13:39 +0000
Message-ID<oI0wLM.LL2@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459412
In article <MPG.32b6ad63e4d89ae79899f0@news.eternal-september.org>,
Kay Shapero  <kay@invalid.net> wrote:
>In article <oI0802.16oE@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
>> 
>
>> 
>> Okay, I don't remember that one, but I do remember an "end of the
>> world" story from, I think, the 1950s in _Galaxy._  Newspapers
>> all over the lot, with gigantic headlines, THIS IS THE DAY THE
>> WORLD ENDS.
>> 
>> Final paragraphs, someone listening to the radio, "He made it!
>> All the way to Mars and back, on schedule!"
>> 
>> Cheering, hugging and kissing, because this was the day the world
>> ended.  And the Universe began.
>> 
>> (Approximate from memory, obviously.)  Anyone have a YASID?
>
>"End As A World", by F. L. Wallace in Galaxy SF, September 1955.  You 
>can find it here: 
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/EndAsWorld
>
>(that's a preview url, so it'll show you the actual (kinda long) url for 
>you to click on.)

Thanks!


-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459455

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-12-11 17:45 -0800
Message-ID<640s4ctvmt3fae1kp0u95ff5nkglppqmko@4ax.com>
In reply to#459400
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 03:12:40 -0000 (UTC), Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net>
wrote:

>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

[snip]

>>>Have a serving of prepper porn, if you please. :0)
>>>
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/post-shtf-shopping-trip.jpg
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/and-so-it-starts.jpg
>>>https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/will-take-that-bet.jpg
>>
>> For that kind of thinking, _Farnham's Freehold._  I disliked most
>> of that book intensely, but the emergency packing lists were
>> interesting.
>
>Another reviewer [1] says about the same thing.
>
>    It's weird how technical and seemingly realistic Farnham's
>    Freehold becomes when it\xe2\x80\x99s about bomb shelters and logistics.
>    Especially considering how unrealistic the novel is when it
>    comes to its characters and world-building.
>
>"The Last Night of the World" (Bradbury) is yet another story that
>meets the OP's criteria, with a plot twist at the end.
>
>Note.
>
>1. https://warisboring.com/how-not-to-write-about-atomic-war-e1632a6a19e8

     I do not remember reading a worse review in quite some time.  The
axe-grinding was very very noticeable.  Oddly fitting, the reviewer's
name is David Axe.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#459514

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2016-12-12 14:16 -0500
Message-ID<o2mt2l$esp$1@panix3.panix.com>
In reply to#459455
In article <640s4ctvmt3fae1kp0u95ff5nkglppqmko@4ax.com>,
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> said:

>> 1. https://warisboring.com/how-not-to-write-about-atomic-war-e1632a6a19e8
>
> I do not remember reading a worse review in quite some time.
> The axe-grinding was very very noticeable.

I think that just about all of his grindstones there were
legitimate though.

-- wds

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#459582

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-12-12 23:22 -0800
Message-ID<da8v4ct4nohf4f1s2o7ags2ckgpid9rutf@4ax.com>
In reply to#459514
On 12 Dec 2016 14:16:37 -0500, wdstarr@panix.com (William December
Starr) wrote:

>In article <640s4ctvmt3fae1kp0u95ff5nkglppqmko@4ax.com>,
>Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> said:
>
>>> 1. https://warisboring.com/how-not-to-write-about-atomic-war-e1632a6a19e8
>>
>> I do not remember reading a worse review in quite some time.
>> The axe-grinding was very very noticeable.
>
>I think that just about all of his grindstones there were
>legitimate though.

     He may have had some points, but it was more his language was
stating rather than any showing.  He ended up telling me more about
himself than the novel.  Fortunately, I already had read it.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#459539

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-12-12 15:40 -0800
Message-ID<607d5500-1222-48fd-bc41-0186a9ac25c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459455
On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 6:45:02 PM UTC-7, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

>      I do not remember reading a worse review in quite some time.  The
> axe-grinding was very very noticeable.  Oddly fitting, the reviewer's
> name is David Axe.

When I first read Farnham's Freehold, I read it as a novel for entertainment, 
and I was willing to allow that Robert Heinlein wasn't *intending* to stir up 
racist attitudes.

However, that reviewers are going to approach a novel which depicts a future in 
which the black people take over after a nuclear war... and that future 
combines the autocracy and polygamy of Islam with... cannibalism... with an axe 
to grind is *hardly* surprising. Back when it was written, people didn't worry 
about stereotyping, but the consciousness today is different.

John Savard

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#459434

Fromlal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com>
Date2016-12-11 10:49 -0800
Message-ID<o2k70l$9b5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459376
On 12/10/16 1:45 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> For that kind of thinking, _Farnham's Freehold._  I disliked most
> of that book intensely, but the emergency packing lists were
> interesting.
If you'd rather, "Year of the Jackpot" should represent Heinlein 
adequately, while meeting the OP's criteria.

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#459446

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-12-11 22:33 +0000
Message-ID<oI1LBM.1vMK@kithrup.com>
In reply to#459434
In article <o2k70l$9b5$1@dont-email.me>,
lal_truckee  <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 12/10/16 1:45 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> For that kind of thinking, _Farnham's Freehold._  I disliked most
>> of that book intensely, but the emergency packing lists were
>> interesting.
>If you'd rather, "Year of the Jackpot" should represent Heinlein 
>adequately, while meeting the OP's criteria.

I've read that one.  Kind of outdated; that's what happens when
you (sort of) try to predict the near future.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#459443

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2016-12-11 17:20 -0500
Message-ID<o2kjg2$56o$1@panix3.panix.com>
In reply to#459372
In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>,
Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:

> Does _Lucifer's Hammer_ (Niven/Pournelle) count?

It depends on whether you go with the subject line or the spec that
Mark gave in his question -- specifically, whether the end of the
world as we know it is good enough, or if it has to be the end of
the world, period. In LUCIFER'S HAMMER, the public knew that it was
gonna *hurt*, but "It's going to extinctify us" was far from a
universal belief. I think.

-- wds

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#459452

FromDon Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Date2016-12-11 17:07 -0800
Message-ID<o2kt4b$g8i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#459443
In article <o2kjg2$56o$1@panix3.panix.com>,
 wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:

> In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:
> 
> > Does _Lucifer's Hammer_ (Niven/Pournelle) count?
> 
> It depends on whether you go with the subject line or the spec that
> Mark gave in his question -- specifically, whether the end of the
> world as we know it is good enough, or if it has to be the end of
> the world, period. In LUCIFER'S HAMMER, the public knew that it was
> gonna *hurt*, but "It's going to extinctify us" was far from a
> universal belief. I think.

VERY far - Up until minutes, perhaps only seconds, before the first 
impact, "The Hammer" was expected to be nothing more than a near miss. A 
comparative handful of the population thought it would indeed hit, and 
went into prepper mode for it, but most of the world dismissed those 
folks as nutcases - victims of "Hammer Fever" - and expected nothing 
more serious than a few nights of really spectacular looking, but 
harmless, meteor showers as the earth passed through the outbound tail.

-- 
Brought to you by the letter K and the number .357
Security provided by Horace S. & Dan W.

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#459444

Fromwdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr)
Date2016-12-11 17:31 -0500
Message-ID<o2kk4d$il3$1@panix3.panix.com>
In reply to#459372
In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>,
Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:

> Have a serving of prepper porn, if you please. :0)
>
> https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/post-shtf-shopping-trip.jpg
> https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/and-so-it-starts.jpg

That's one *hell* of a stretch of the word 'almost'.

> https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/will-take-that-bet.jpg

-- wds

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#459468

FromDon Kuenz <g@crcomp.net>
Date2016-12-12 04:24 +0000
Message-ID<20161211a@crcomp.net>
In reply to#459444
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <20161210a@crcomp.net>,
> Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> said:
>
>> Have a serving of prepper porn, if you please. :0)
>>
>> https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/post-shtf-shopping-trip.jpg
>> https://tensmiths.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/and-so-it-starts.jpg
>
> That's one *hell* of a stretch of the word 'almost'.

No worries. It's porn. They always photoshop porn to "sex it up." [1]

Note.

1. http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/08/celebrities-before-and-after-photoshop/celebrities-before-and-after-photoshop-20.jpg

Thank you,

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU

There's not a thing on earth that I can name,
So foolish, and so false, as common fame.
  - John Wilmot

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#459477

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2016-12-12 04:26 -0700
Message-ID<eb7fs2F42fkU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#459372
Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> wrote:

>
>Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>   How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time
>>>   And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The
>>>   standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be
>>>   widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten
>>>   out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I
>>>   can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone.

>Does _Lucifer's Hammer_ (Niven/Pournelle) count?

Most people thought that the hammer would miss up until the Hot Fudge
Tuesdae itself.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#459373

Fromjdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date2016-12-10 21:23 +0000
Message-ID<o2hrop$t28$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#459364
In article <XnsA6DA95EF561C5melchizedek@216.166.97.131>,
Cryptoengineer  <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:f6633721-3875-473e-bb57-5f5fca9d00dd@googlegroups.com: 
>
>>   How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time
>>   And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The
>>   standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be
>>   widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten
>>   out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I
>>   can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone. 
>> 
>>   What I don't mean is "weak" dystopian stuff like _FROOMB_ which
>>   presents a sort of pervasive sense that things are turning to shit,
>>   I mean the Vogons have made their announcement or we can see the
>>   asteroid coming or whatever. 
>> 
>>   I was inspired to ask by this video:
>> 
>> hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqIt93dDG1M
>> 
>> TL;DNW: a professor emeritus from the University of Arizona says it's
>> Game Over, that humanity has less than ten years before we go extinct. 
>
>>   I suggest watching it anyway; it's either blood-chilling or amusing
>>   depending on your POV. 
>
>
>On the Beach
>SevenEves
>The Forge of God

Last Night, which is about the Last Night. Canada has wound most public
services down so civil servants can spend their last moments with their
loved ones, which seems very unfair to the people with decent work ethics.
-- 
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Livejournal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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#459382

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-12-10 19:04 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.32b662195fcdf44498a7a8@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#459373
In article <o2hrop$t28$1@reader1.panix.com>, 
jdnicoll@panix.com says...
> 
> In article <XnsA6DA95EF561C5melchizedek@216.166.97.131>,
> Cryptoengineer  <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:f6633721-3875-473e-bb57-5f5fca9d00dd@googlegroups.com: 
> >
> >>   How much SF has been written about how The World Will End in X Time
> >>   And There's Nothing We Can Do About It, and the public knows it? The
> >>   standard trope is "We can't let this go public or there will be
> >>   widespread panic", but there must be some in which it *has* gotten
> >>   out and various people deal with that certainty in various ways. I
> >>   can think of a few but I don't want to constrain anyone. 
> >> 
> >>   What I don't mean is "weak" dystopian stuff like _FROOMB_ which
> >>   presents a sort of pervasive sense that things are turning to shit,
> >>   I mean the Vogons have made their announcement or we can see the
> >>   asteroid coming or whatever. 
> >> 
> >>   I was inspired to ask by this video:
> >> 
> >> hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqIt93dDG1M
> >> 
> >> TL;DNW: a professor emeritus from the University of Arizona says it's
> >> Game Over, that humanity has less than ten years before we go extinct. 
> >
> >>   I suggest watching it anyway; it's either blood-chilling or amusing
> >>   depending on your POV. 
> >
> >
> >On the Beach
> >SevenEves
> >The Forge of God
> 
> Last Night, which is about the Last Night. Canada has wound most public
> services down so civil servants can spend their last moments with their
> loved ones, which seems very unfair to the people with decent work ethics.

Has anybody mentioned Niven's "Inconstant Moon"?

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