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| First post | 2016-09-13 16:07 -0700 |
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Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 16:07 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-13 19:26 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 17:23 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-14 09:56 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 08:40 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-14 22:50 -0600
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-15 07:24 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-15 21:12 -0600
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 06:15 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-09-16 08:40 -0600
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-16 11:54 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-16 16:30 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-14 14:24 -0400
Looking for recommendations "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 17:46 -0700
Looking for recommendations "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 17:52 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 08:45 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-09-16 03:59 +0100
Re: Looking for recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-09-15 20:17 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 21:00 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 10:10 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-09-14 17:49 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-14 04:05 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 10:15 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2016-09-14 15:50 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-14 23:01 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2016-09-14 22:44 -0600
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-16 01:41 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2016-09-14 14:24 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 10:12 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2016-09-14 18:31 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-14 12:53 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-14 16:04 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-09-14 15:11 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-09-14 14:45 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2016-09-14 22:04 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 21:48 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2016-09-21 08:18 -0600
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 15:23 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-09-15 10:28 +0800
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-14 14:43 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Default User <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 15:20 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-14 19:50 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-15 07:22 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:50 +0200
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-15 10:09 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-15 14:16 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-09-15 10:50 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-09-15 15:02 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-15 17:07 +0300
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-15 12:59 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-14 22:19 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-14 22:32 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-14 19:53 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> - 2016-09-15 16:58 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> - 2016-09-15 11:26 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-15 20:26 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-09-16 04:07 +0100
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-16 01:39 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-17 01:30 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-17 02:56 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-09-17 12:32 +0100
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 01:05 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-18 06:12 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-18 06:22 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-09-18 12:44 +0100
Re: Looking for recommendations Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2016-09-18 10:06 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-18 17:31 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-19 09:56 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 16:34 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-19 09:53 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-09-19 15:18 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 08:57 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-17 14:48 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Bill Dugan <wkdugan@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 11:51 -0700
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-17 17:29 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-17 17:42 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-17 22:18 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-09-17 19:01 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 01:12 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-20 19:04 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-16 03:47 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2016-09-16 11:39 +0100
Re: Looking for recommendations goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-09-16 20:58 +0000
Re: Looking for recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-17 01:15 -0500
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-15 17:02 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-09-15 16:56 -0400
Re: Looking for recommendations Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 23:48 -0500
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-09-16 03:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oDKvvx.1ovo@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #451500 |
In article <nrf05m$2rp0$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: >In article <2e5f4486-4837-4536-a363-f1fd0ba5eb60@googlegroups.com>, >Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> wrote: > >[Graydon Saunders] > >>I haven't read any of his books yet (though it's sounding increasingly >>like I should), but I suspect most people still reading rasfw were >>around when he was here in the mid-1990s, posting in a very >>distinctive style. I have a hard time believing he came up with a >>*different* "style that needs some getting used to" for the books. >>Did he build his fiction around how he writes? > >I don't have any reference for his Usenet career, even though I was >definitely around during the relevant time period; I recognized his >name as being loosely associated with Jo Walton (and in fact there is >Saunders poetry quoted in /The King's Peace/). > >His style I would describe as somewhat abrupt, perhaps even mercurial. >Not terse, necessarily, but he doesn't go in for infodumps or "as you >know Bob"-type explanations -- so the reader is asked to deduce a lot >from the context. (Like, for example, the connotation of using >gendered rather than neutral pronouns.) When there's an extended >passage of explanation, it's presented as part of a dialogue where the >characters involved are arguing about how something ought to work, or >where one of the characters genuinely wouldn't have a reason to know >what's being explained. Lots of things aren't explained at all in the >first book which become clearer after the next two. Sometimes the >dialogue suddenly shifts gears for no obvious reason. > >I think the Commonweal books ask rather more of the reader than your >typical fantasy novel, and that's a good thing. The notion that you >can have a society that is at its root strongly collectivist and still >vehemently anti-coercion may bounce some libertarians; I don't know >whether Saunders has any plans to address this in future novels. (You >can see some hints of it in how Mulch feels when asked to perform his >10% service time obligation.) Well, for my part, I get seriously enthused about Graydon's style. Back when he was posting to USENET, I told him, "You are Greer Ilene Gilman's long-lost brother and Gerald Manley Hopkins's nephew, AICMFP," and he said (approximately) "Gee thanks, but I haven't read much of either." Graydon's style is like one of the plates from the Book of Kells, intricate and not to be taken in at a glance. His world-building has no flies on it, either. You can't skim Graydon, you have to read carefully ... and you will be rewarded. One of the many interesting things about the Commonweal world is that it is inhabited by lots of "people" -- who consist of at least a dozen different *species*, some of which can be distinguished (IIRC) only by eye color. Rather like the recently discovered four species of giraffe. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-16 11:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ntintbdtibttrg0e9mssco0hiplsesilo5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #451543 |
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:47:57 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >Graydon's style is like one of the plates from the Book of Kells, >intricate and not to be taken in at a glance. His world-building >has no flies on it, either. You can't skim Graydon, you have to >read carefully ... and you will be rewarded. From your and Brian's comments, I'm going to have to set myself a study session and try again! Cheers - Jaimie -- Happiness, n.: An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of another. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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| From | goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) |
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| Date | 2016-09-16 20:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oDM7LE.oDx@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #451562 |
In article <ntintbdtibttrg0e9mssco0hiplsesilo5@4ax.com>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: >On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:47:57 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) >wrote: > >>Graydon's style is like one of the plates from the Book of Kells, >>intricate and not to be taken in at a glance. His world-building >>has no flies on it, either. You can't skim Graydon, you have to >>read carefully ... and you will be rewarded. > >From your and Brian's comments, I'm going to have to set myself a study >session and try again! One of his phrases when he was on Usenet was "accumulation of detail". Try not to assume that anything mentioned is just a throwaway. -- David Goldfarb |"I'm in the middle of fifteen things, goldfarbdj@gmail.com | all of them annoying." goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Midnight on the Firing Line"
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| From | David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-17 01:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rfSdna5X4pLlQkHKnZ2dnUU7-Y-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #451500 |
On 2016-09-15, Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: > (You can see some hints of it in how Mulch feels when asked to perform his > 10% service time obligation.) Well, we find out that it's not so much that which makes him grumpy as it is being unable to leave the Commonweal (due to knowing too much about how to create a focus). He was expecting the thing to flare into usefulness, get calcified, and die out within a couple hundred years, like most ordinary magical hegemonies apparently do. At which point he'd be free to go hide again. It didn't... Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> website on VIC is down, probably for good - oh well/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 17:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <61hbtrmtti7n.1pspuqypfmng6$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #451493 |
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bernstein <joe@sfbooks.com> wrote in<news:2e5f4486-4837-4536-a363-f1fd0ba5eb60@googlegroups.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:58:31 AM UTC-7, > Chris Buckley wrote: >> I also think the Saunders's books are among the best of >> the year; he has his own style that needs some getting >> used to but that just goes along with his unique world >> creation. > I haven't read any of his books yet (though it's sounding > increasingly like I should), but I suspect most people > still reading rasfw were around when he was here in the > mid-1990s, posting in a very distinctive style. I have > a hard time believing he came up with a *different* > "style that needs some getting used to" for the books. > Did he build his fiction around how he writes? It would be more accurate, I think, to say that his writing, fiction and otherwise, reflects the way he thinks, which sometimes seems almost to satisfy the old request for aliens who think as well as humans but differently. [...] Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 16:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3k2ykgp2491l$.936e4u96uk4n$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #451482 |
On 15 Sep 2016 16:58:27 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in<news:slrnntlkud.p5c.alan@video.sabir.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > On 2016-09-14, Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:32:23 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt >><djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oDIMLz.nx4@kithrup.com> >> in rec.arts.sf.written: >>> In article <nrcicr$219h$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu>, >>> Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote: >> [...] >>>> Most recent read is Graydon Saunders's first three >>>> Commonweal books. Can't stop raving about them, but >>>> I'll refrain from doing so here as they don't sound >>>> like your sort of thing. >>> Probably not, but they're my sort of thing. >> To my taste the three best sf books of 2015 are two of his >> and one of Michelle Sagara’s. > I also think the Saunders's books are among the best of > the year; he has his own style that needs some getting > used to but that just goes along with his unique world > creation. > I'm currently re-reading again _Ninefox Gambit_ by Yoon > Ha Lee which is the best I've read in this year's crop - > in many ways it reminds me of the Saunders's books, not > only in one obvious plot device, but in terms of the > energy and uniqueness of his world (though it's science > fiction as oppose to fantasy). I’m not sure that I agree with the comparison -- I’ll have to think about it -- but I definitely agree that _Ninefox Gambit_ is one of the best of the 2016 crop. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-15 23:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nrftjl$vni$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #451314 |
On 9/13/2016 6:07 PM, Default User wrote:
> I generally like adventure-oriented SF, either planetary adventures or space-opera. I don't care for Mil-SF. I'd like some recommendations of recent offerings (let's say the last five years or so).
>
> Below are some things I've read of late, not exhaustive but what I could come up with. If something is part of a series, assume I'm aware of the others. There are also some possibles I have identified that people can comment on if they'd like.
>
> Read:
>
> Neptune's Brood (Freyaverse #2) / Charles Stross
> Ancillary Series / Ann Leckie
> Skirmishes (Diving Universe #4) / Kristine Kathryn Rusch
> Coming Home (Alex Benedict #7) / Jack McDevitt
> Starhawk (The Academy, #7) / Jack McDevitt
> Transcendental / James Gunn
> Transgalactic / James Gunn
> Hex / Allen Steele
> Dark orbit / Carolyn Ives Gilman
> The Hydrogen Sonata (Culture, #10) / Iain M. Banks
> Old Mars / George R.R. Martin (Editor), Gardner R. Dozois (Editor)
> Old Venus / George R.R. Martin (editor), Gardner R. Dozois (editor)
>
> Possible:
>
> Angel of Europa / Allen Steele.
> Aurora / Kim Stanley Robinson.
> Castaway planet / Eric Flint, Ryk E Spoor.
> Central Station / Lavie Tidhar.
> The forever watch / David Ramirez.
> Further : beyond the threshold / Chris Roberson.
> Star road / Matthew Costello and Rick Hautala.
> The long way to a small, angry planet / Becky Chambers.
> Fortune's pawn / Rachel Bach.
>
>
> Brian
_Empire of Dust_ by Jacey Bedford
https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Dust-Psi-Tech-Jacey-Bedford/dp/0756410169/
_DarkShip Thieves_ y Sarah Hoyt
https://www.amazon.com/DarkShip-Thieves-Sarah-Hoyt/dp/1439133174/
_Take The Star Road (The Maxwell Saga) (Volume 1)_ by Peter Grant
https://www.amazon.com/Take-Star-Road-Maxwell-Saga/dp/0615824935/
_Flood_ by Stephen Baxter
https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
_Dies The Fire_ by S. M. Stirling
https://www.amazon.com/Dies-Fire-S-M-Stirling/dp/0451460413/
And a military SF about alien invasions
_Terms of Enlistment (Frontlines)_ by Marko Kloos
https://www.amazon.com/Terms-Enlistment-Frontlines-Marko-Kloos/dp/1477809783/
Lynn
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