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  This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:57 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:04 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-08-19 23:40 -0700
    Re: This morning's crap idea. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 10:07 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:16 +0000
    Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:11 +0000
      Re: This morning's crap idea. petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 10:17 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 13:40 -0400
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 11:22 -0700
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 17:19 -0700
        Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 20:06 +0000
          Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:35 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 04:35 +0000
            Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:44 +0000
              Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0400
                Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-20 14:26 +0000
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:35 -0400
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 13:12 -0400
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-20 14:01 -0400
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-21 00:48 +0100
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-08-20 18:18 -0700
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-21 03:26 +0000
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-20 08:29 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 19:09 +0000
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-20 13:23 -0700
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-20 23:19 +0000
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 08:29 -0700
                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-08-20 16:34 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-20 18:41 -0700
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-21 18:31 +0100
                  Re: This morning's crap idea. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-22 06:58 +0000
                    Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-22 13:46 +0000
                      Re: This morning's crap idea. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-22 10:27 -0400
                        Re: This morning's crap idea. David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 16:04 -0700
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-22 16:30 -0700
                            Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:36 -0700
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-22 17:53 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. Shawn Wilson <ikonoqlast@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:56 -0700
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-23 07:55 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-23 08:00 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-24 08:37 -0400
                                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-24 07:35 -0700
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-23 00:47 +0000
                            Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:42 -0400
                              Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-23 13:13 -0700
                                Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 16:54 -0400
                                  Re: This morning's crap idea. Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-23 14:06 -0700
                                    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:19 -0400
                          Re: This morning's crap idea. Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:11 -0500
    Re: This morning's crap idea. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-08-19 17:46 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-20 00:23 +0000
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:01 -0700
        Re: This morning's crap idea. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0000
    Re: This morning's crap idea. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-19 20:34 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-19 20:59 -0600
        Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 10:00 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-20 22:25 -0700
            Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-21 05:40 +0000
            Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 11:21 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 15:24 -0700
    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 15:40 -0400
    Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:37 -0400
      Re: This morning's crap idea. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-19 14:45 +0000
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-19 07:52 -0700
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-19 17:19 -0400
        Re: This morning's crap idea. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-19 16:09 -0700
          Re: This morning's crap idea. William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 01:02 -0400
          Re: This morning's crap idea. leif.roar@dimnakorr.com - 2015-10-20 03:52 -0500
      Re: This morning's crap idea. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-20 21:18 -0700

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#420968

In article <685b28ac-73d1-48b3-9db9-cf97b8a82d4a@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> said:

> I think that by definition, the Impossible Man stories
> never happened.
>
> Then again, since The Beyonders got mad, /no/ Marvel stories
> ever happened.

Oh gods, what's happened _now_?

And: "Beyonders," plural?  Are they all equally omnipotent?

-- wds

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#420974

On Monday, 24 August 2015 13:37:21 UTC+1, William December Starr  wrote:
> In article <685b28ac-73d1-48b3-9db9-cf97b8a82d4a@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> said:
> 
> > I think that by definition, the Impossible Man stories
> > never happened.
> >
> > Then again, since The Beyonders got mad, /no/ Marvel stories
> > ever happened.
> 
> Oh gods, what's happened _now_?

I told you: nothing.  Nothing has ever happened.

Except for "Battleworld" - a new one - which was made up 
by Doctor Doom, or, as he's now known, "God".  Including 
to Thor, or anyway most of the Thors.

(It's just /so/ Doom.)

Don't panic, Marvel are going to put everything back.

Well, they're going to put Earth-616 back; I don't know 
about the rest, but apparently Ultimate Spider-Man and 
Spider-Man 2099 will live on Earth-616 now.

> And: "Beyonders," plural?  Are they all equally omnipotent?

You judge.  <http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Beyonders>

"The Beyonder" was previously retconned as a sapient 
Cosmic Cube.

In the end, Rabum Alal does what Rabum Alal does best.  (Ish.)

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#420848

In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
>(Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
>>On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
>>>> or an HE expy.
>>>
>>> What's expy?
>>
>>	Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
>>duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
>>a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
>
>Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
>
Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420888

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
>> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
>>> On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
>>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
>>>>> or an HE expy.
>>>> 
>>>> What's expy?
>>> 
>>> 	Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
>>> duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
>>> a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
>> 
>> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
>> 
> Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.

I thought that was MacGuffin.

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#420898

On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 2:42:46 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
> >> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
> >>> On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
> >>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
> >>>>> or an HE expy.
> >>>> 
> >>>> What's expy?
> >>> 
> >>> 	Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
> >>> duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
> >>> a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
> >> 
> >> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
> >> 
> > Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.
> 
> I thought that was MacGuffin

Nope. A MacGuffin is an object, piece of information, that motivates the
characters' action: plot fuel.  Related to "plot coupons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotCoupon  
(Credit given to Nick Lowe, see http://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html )

Kevin R

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#420902

Kevrob wrote:
> On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 2:42:46 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
>>>> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
>>>>> On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
>>>>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
>>>>>>> or an HE expy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What's expy?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
>>>>> duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
>>>>> a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
>>>> 
>>> Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.
>> 
>> I thought that was MacGuffin
>
> Nope. A MacGuffin is an object, piece of information, that motivates the
> characters' action: plot fuel.  Related to "plot coupons."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin 
>
> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotCoupon  
> (Credit given to Nick Lowe, see http://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html )
>
> Kevin R

sorry.  I was thinking of the one where you put your friends, cat, fans 
who give you ten bucks...into the story, but I can't remember the word 
for it.

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#420907

On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
> Kevrob wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 2:42:46 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
> >> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>> In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> >>> David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
> >>>> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
> >>>>> On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
> >>>>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
> >>>>>>> or an HE expy.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> What's expy?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
> >>>>> duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
> >>>>> a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
> >>>> 
> >>> Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.
> >> 
> >> I thought that was MacGuffin
> >
> > Nope. A MacGuffin is an object, piece of information, that motivates the
> > characters' action: plot fuel.  Related to "plot coupons."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin 
> >
> > http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotCoupon  
> > (Credit given to Nick Lowe, see http://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html )
> 
> sorry.  I was thinking of the one where you put your friends, cat, fans 
> who give you ten bucks...into the story, but I can't remember the word 
> for it.

Tuckerization?

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#420908

Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
>> Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 2:42:46 PM UTC-4, William Vetter wrote:
>>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>> David Harmon  <bad@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
>>>>>> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
>>>>>>> On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
>>>>>>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan 
>>>>>>>>> Ellison or an HE expy.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What's expy?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
>>>>>>> duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
>>>>>>> a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on where you're standing, perhaps.
>>>> 
>>>> I thought that was MacGuffin
>>> 
>>> Nope. A MacGuffin is an object, piece of information, that motivates the
>>> characters' action: plot fuel.  Related to "plot coupons."
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macguffin 
>>> 
>>> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotCoupon  
>>> (Credit given to Nick Lowe, see http://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html )
>> 
>> sorry.  I was thinking of the one where you put your friends, cat, fans 
>> who give you ten bucks...into the story, but I can't remember the word 
>> for it.
>
> Tuckerization?

Yeah.

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#420849

David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote in news:fP2dnaRS2p-AnUTInZ2dnUU7-K-
dnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:27:00 -0400 in rec.arts.sf.written, "Sea Wasp
> (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote,
>>On 8/22/15 9:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <ntH20v.w4F@kithrup.com>,
>>> David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The writer ultimately managed to sell a story to either Harlan Ellison
>>>> or an HE expy.
>>>
>>> What's expy?
>>
>>     Short for "exported character", it's a character who is an obvious 
>>duplicate of some other real person or copyrighted character, just with 
>>a different name and enough tweaks to keep from being sued.
> 
> Wouldn't that be an "imported character"?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy

pt

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#420634

On 8/19/15 12:57 PM, William Vetter wrote:
> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

	There's also the classic story of an author submitting his awesome 
stories and finding out that they were already published by an author 
they had previously never heard of (who was obviously time-travelling to 
steal the stories and publish them before the original submission). 
"Who's Cribbing?" was the title, and the poor author was constantly 
being told that his work was wonderful, since it was copying the work of 
the great Todd Thromberry...


-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

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#420641

In article <mr2td9$8vh$1@dont-email.me>,
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 8/19/15 12:57 PM, William Vetter wrote:
>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the
>> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>
>	There's also the classic story of an author submitting his awesome 
>stories and finding out that they were already published by an author 
>they had previously never heard of (who was obviously time-travelling to 
>steal the stories and publish them before the original submission). 
>"Who's Cribbing?" was the title, and the poor author was constantly 
>being told that his work was wonderful, since it was copying the work of 
>the great Todd Thromberry...
>

And there was an Analog story about a musician who was so tuned into
the zeitgeist/steam-engine-time that he was always writing famous composers'
pieces first, but of course since he was an unknown composition grad student,
nobody believed it..
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#420695

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> 
> 	There's also the classic story of an author submitting his awesome 
> stories and finding out that they were already published by an author 
> they had previously never heard of (who was obviously time-travelling to 
> steal the stories and publish them before the original submission). 
> "Who's Cribbing?" was the title, and the poor author was constantly 
> being told that his work was wonderful, since it was copying the work of 
> the great Todd Thromberry...

There was a Clarke story...
"Herbert George Morely Roberts Wells, Esq." ISFDb has it listed as an essay, not fiction, and has a listing for "The Anticipator," so (unless they are just playing along) that is the story to reference.  In a pre-Internet forum, Clarke had conflated the title of that story with "The New Accelerator" and written it as "The New Anticipator".  He was surprised to find "The Anticipator" was not and H.G. Wells story, but by Morely Roberts.  He then gave a brief synopsis: a writer is finding his stories published under another name before he submits them, eventually snapping, he plots a murderous solution, but he *is* dealing with a man who steals his plots...  Clarke then notes that Roberts had not had many stories published; what ever happened to him, and where did Wells get his ideas, anyhow...

-- 
-Jack

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#420752

In article <ef6fdef4-f2e5-48a0-abe0-69433ab2f9c7@googlegroups.com>,
Jack Bohn  <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> 
>> 	There's also the classic story of an author submitting his awesome 
>> stories and finding out that they were already published by an author 
>> they had previously never heard of (who was obviously time-travelling to 
>> steal the stories and publish them before the original submission). 
>> "Who's Cribbing?" was the title, and the poor author was constantly 
>> being told that his work was wonderful, since it was copying the work of 
>> the great Todd Thromberry...
>
>There was a Clarke story...
>"Herbert George Morely Roberts Wells, Esq." ISFDb has it listed as an
>essay, not fiction, and has a listing for "The Anticipator," so (unless
>they are just playing along) that is the story to reference.  In a
>pre-Internet forum, Clarke had conflated the title of that story with
>"The New Accelerator" and written it as "The New Anticipator".  He was
>surprised to find "The Anticipator" was not and H.G. Wells story, but by
>Morely Roberts.  He then gave a brief synopsis: a writer is finding his
>stories published under another name before he submits them, eventually
>snapping, he plots a murderous solution, but he *is* dealing with a man
>who steals his plots...  Clarke then notes that Roberts had not had many
>stories published; what ever happened to him, and where did Wells get
>his ideas, anyhow...

The Clarke essay is an explanation for a goof he made in a short-short
entitled "The Longest Science Fiction Story Ever Written".  From memory,
it went something like this:

===
Dear Mr. Jenks,
	I'm afraid your idea is not at all original.  Stories about
writers telepathically stealing stories from other writers date
back to H.G. Wells' "The New Anticipator".  About once a week we
receive a manuscript beginning:

	Dear Mr. Jenks,
	        I'm afraid your idea is not at all original.  Stories about
	writers telepathically stealing stories from other writers date
	back to H.G. Wells' "The New Anticipator".  About once a week we
	receive a manuscript beginning:

		Dear Mr. Jenks,
        		I'm afraid your idea is not at all original.  
		Stories about writers telepathically stealing stories 
		from other writers date back to H.G. Wells' "The New 
		Anticipator".  About once a week we receive a manuscript 
		beginning:

			Dear Mr. Jenks,
			...
				...
					...

				...
			...
			Better luck next time!
			Mark Belvedere
			editor, _Flabbergasting Science Fiction_

		Better luck next time!
		Mark Belvedere
		editor, _Flabbergasting Science Fiction_

	Better luck next time!
	Mark Belvedere
	editor, _Flabbergasting Science Fiction_

Better luck next time!
Mark Belvedere
editor, _Flabbergasting Science Fiction_
===

I realize that I'm infringing on Clarke's copyright here, but as I
have quoted less than 10% of the story, I feel that I can claim "fair use".

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |From the fortune cookie file:
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       |
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |"You have at your command the wisdom of the ages."

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#420643

In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:

> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

"Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
stupid use of a time machine."

-- wds

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#420647

wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:

>In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
>> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>
>"Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
>stupid use of a time machine."

Indeed, that WAS the plotline, as described further down the thread.

>What I was thinking is that the intrepid timecop who's saved reality 
>fifty times already is angry how he's been stuck with staking out a 
>pulp magazine editor's brownstone, and then intercepts the criminal, 
>but when he reads the first three lines of the ms., he knows how 
>totally lousy the ms. is, that it would get rejected no matter what, 
>and feels so bad he waits until morning with the crappy author to see 
>Hugo Gernsback (or somebody) walk to the subway.

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#420677

Greg Goss wrote:
> wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>
>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>> William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:
>> 
>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
>>> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>> 
>> "Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
>> stupid use of a time machine."
>
> Indeed, that WAS the plotline, as described further down the thread.
>
If I ever have a smart idea, I won't post it on usenet.

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#420746

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:00:09 -0400, William Vetter
<mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:

>Greg Goss wrote:
>> wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:
>>> 
>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
>>>> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>> 
>>> "Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
>>> stupid use of a time machine."
>>
>> Indeed, that WAS the plotline, as described further down the thread.
>>
>If I ever have a smart idea, I won't post it on usenet.

     Is that a smart idea?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#420747

In article <3hddta1jk6oet1vfmgm82lled740a3jbms@4ax.com>,
Gene Wirchenko  <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:00:09 -0400, William Vetter
><mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Greg Goss wrote:
>>> wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
>>>>> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>> 
>>>> "Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
>>>> stupid use of a time machine."
>>>
>>> Indeed, that WAS the plotline, as described further down the thread.
>>>
>>If I ever have a smart idea, I won't post it on usenet.
>
>     Is that a smart idea?
>

Reminds me of a "Dr. Watchstop" comic.  He's visited by a time traveller
from the future who tells him what a shame it is that he (Dr. W) never
invented a time machine when his journals show he came *so* close.

After the fellow leaves, Dr. W thinks to himself: "I believe I'll stop
keeping a journal".
-- 
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#420770

Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:00:09 -0400, William Vetter
> <mdhangton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greg Goss wrote:
>>> wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <mr2cek$4kn$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> said:
>>>> 
>>>>> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author
>>>>> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories
>>>>> over the transom and into a 1930's slushpile?
>>>> 
>>>> "Time Patrol, sir.  We're here to give you a citation for painfully
>>>> stupid use of a time machine."
>>> 
>>> Indeed, that WAS the plotline, as described further down the thread.
>>> 
>> If I ever have a smart idea, I won't post it on usenet.
>
>      Is that a smart idea?
>
My older self told me not to do it.

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#420725

On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:57:33 UTC+1, William Vetter  wrote:
> Has there ever been a story published where a lousy SF author 
> time-travels back to the Golden Age to throw his trunk stories over the 
> transom and into a 1930's slushpile?

To add distantly to all the branchings-off from this idea, 
in the Star Trek novel _Prime Directive_ it's quite interesting
that inhabitants of the recently discovered planet are 
fascinated by space travel and alien life despite having
not been contacted yet.  

This only comes out after things have gone very badly 
indeed and about all of the cast (I mean crew, or do I?) 
have been fired.  But it's quite interesting.  And I
suppose a strong dose of fans-are-slans - an alien
planet populated by fans... or, perhaps, a warning 
about how that would end up???

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