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| Started by | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| First post | 2015-08-19 00:48 -0400 |
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Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-19 00:48 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-19 03:45 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations graydonish@gmail.com - 2015-08-19 07:23 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-19 16:40 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 15:51 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-20 10:42 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 13:10 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-19 12:25 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 16:59 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-19 11:47 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 17:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com> - 2015-08-19 14:01 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-19 20:08 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-08-19 13:23 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-21 10:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-21 14:57 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-21 14:27 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-21 15:20 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-22 07:17 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-22 15:50 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-22 21:10 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-22 19:23 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-23 00:46 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> - 2015-08-23 10:41 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-24 02:01 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-24 02:18 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:24 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:26 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-24 17:23 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-24 19:01 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 12:11 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-24 18:55 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 20:18 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-08-25 01:49 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 22:29 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 19:55 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-08-24 18:00 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-20 08:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-20 06:20 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-20 13:46 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-20 07:33 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 09:58 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-20 14:02 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 11:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-21 03:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-10-21 11:45 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 18:19 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-22 00:07 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-21 22:41 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 07:08 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 18:27 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-23 08:16 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-23 08:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 08:36 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-23 14:50 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-23 17:18 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-26 16:26 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 16:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-22 19:46 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:30 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2015-10-22 22:14 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:31 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 15:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 16:03 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 16:36 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-23 19:38 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-23 22:46 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 03:42 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-24 16:27 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:36 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 15:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 16:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-25 17:14 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-26 10:51 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-26 12:01 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 12:05 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 16:42 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-26 19:52 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-27 10:45 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 10:51 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 20:00 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 23:33 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 23:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-25 01:07 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-25 17:04 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-24 20:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-24 23:21 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-25 14:20 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-26 10:56 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-25 21:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 16:28 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 14:22 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 17:32 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 14:52 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-26 15:09 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-27 18:08 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 06:19 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-28 06:38 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 07:11 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-28 14:59 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-28 08:17 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-28 11:47 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 09:01 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-28 13:26 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-26 18:13 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-27 10:47 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 06:03 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-10-21 16:50 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-21 23:11 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-10-21 11:41 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-10-21 16:03 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-21 13:08 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-10-20 09:40 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 08:13 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-20 18:21 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-10-21 00:43 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-10-20 18:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 10:13 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-21 12:34 +1100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-21 10:15 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2015-10-21 16:35 +1100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-10-23 15:20 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-10-24 08:59 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-10-23 09:17 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 10:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-10-20 18:07 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-20 21:20 -0400
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-10-20 08:02 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-10-23 02:32 +0100
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kay Shapero <kay@invalid.net> - 2015-10-20 22:59 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-25 11:07 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 22:40 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-25 08:06 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-26 11:44 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-26 08:54 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-26 09:06 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-27 10:25 +0800
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 04:35 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-08-24 22:17 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-25 04:34 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-25 08:10 -0600
Re: Two Book Recommendations petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-25 07:49 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-25 06:27 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-25 12:50 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-26 01:17 -0500
Re: Two Book Recommendations goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2015-08-31 07:31 +0000
Re: Two Book Recommendations William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 11:57 -0700
Re: Two Book Recommendations "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-10-20 15:14 -0400
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-10-22 19:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1duddwinl65sb$.1wpwdc9i3tec5$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #425136 |
On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:24:22 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote in<news:XnsA53BA6E456A0Ataustingmail@69.16.179.42> in rec.arts.sf.written: > "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in > news:MPG.3091d989c7af69bf989bd4@news.eternal-september.org: >> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at >> six rounds, too. > Revolver? The only time _any_ firearm runs out of ammo in > a movie is when the pacing calls for a smart-ass remark > while reloading. Not even for the occasional ‘Oh, shit!’ moment? (Serious question, since my experience of movies is very limited.) Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 09:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA53C60CDBA90taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #425138 |
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote in news:1duddwinl65sb
$.1wpwdc9i3tec5$.dlg@40tude.net:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:24:22 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote
> in<news:XnsA53BA6E456A0Ataustingmail@69.16.179.42> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.3091d989c7af69bf989bd4@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at
>>> six rounds, too.
>
>> Revolver? The only time _any_ firearm runs out of ammo in
>> a movie is when the pacing calls for a smart-ass remark
>> while reloading.
>
> Not even for the occasional ‘Oh, shit!’ moment? (Serious
> question, since my experience of movies is very limited.)
>
Generally speaking, "Oh, shit" moments are opportunities for smart-
ass remarks. Not, perhaps, by the gunman saying "Oh, shit," but
*somebody* will respond with a smart-ass remark.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-10-22 22:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n0c517$vo9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #425136 |
On 10/22/15 7:24 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.3091d989c7af69bf989bd4@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six
>> rounds, too.
>>
> Revolver? The only time _any_ firearm runs out of ammo in a movie is
> when the pacing calls for a smart-ass remark while reloading.
>
Or for an appropriate dramatic moment.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 09:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA53C60E9C884Dtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #425151 |
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:n0c517$vo9$1@dont-email.me:
> On 10/22/15 7:24 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.3091d989c7af69bf989bd4@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six
>>> rounds, too.
>>>
>> Revolver? The only time _any_ firearm runs out of ammo in a
>> movie is when the pacing calls for a smart-ass remark while
>> reloading.
>>
>
> Or for an appropriate dramatic moment.
>
You don't see many of those in action movies these days. And when you
do, it's not generally during a shootout.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 15:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #425089 |
On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke wrote: <snip> > One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six rounds, > too. One of the most famous quotes in movie history: "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?" -Moriarty
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-10-23 16:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA53CA36E77EEEtaustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #425215 |
Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in
news:76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six
>> rounds, too.
>
> One of the most famous quotes in movie history:
>
> "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only
> five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've
> kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the
> most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head
> clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel
> lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"
>
One should not that, regardless of how many rounds it might hold, due
to being a movie gun, it did not, in fact, need reloading at that
point.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 16:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7ec8de15-7cb7-4831-ac92-b41105b6f064@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #425216 |
On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 10:04:02 AM UTC+11, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in > news:76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com: > > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six > >> rounds, too. > > > > One of the most famous quotes in movie history: > > > > "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only > > five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've > > kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the > > most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head > > clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel > > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?" > > > One should not that, regardless of how many rounds it might hold, due > to being a movie gun, it did not, in fact, need reloading at that > point. Actually, at that point the gun WAS empty. There were two "I know what you're thinking" moments in that movie, the first early on where it's said to a random bank robber. The second time, where I think the speech was slightly different, as you say there was (at least) one round left. -Moriarty
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 19:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n0eqrl$hlt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #425219 |
In article <7ec8de15-7cb7-4831-ac92-b41105b6f064@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 10:04:02 AM UTC+11, Gutless Umbrella > Carrying Sissy wrote: > > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in > > news:76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com: > > > > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke > > > wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > >> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six > > >> rounds, too. > > > > > > One of the most famous quotes in movie history: > > > > > > "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only > > > five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've > > > kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the > > > most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head > > > clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel > > > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?" > > > > > One should not that, regardless of how many rounds it might hold, due > > to being a movie gun, it did not, in fact, need reloading at that > > point. > > Actually, at that point the gun WAS empty. There were two "I know what > you're thinking" moments in that movie, the first early on where it's said to > a random bank robber. The second time, where I think the speech was slightly > different, as you say there was (at least) one round left. > > -Moriarty All of which ignores the reality that many (Most? I'm certain not ALL, though) .44 Mags of that era were 5 round revolvers. Without going to the effort of digging it up, I'm not sure whether the Colt Python (Which, unless I mis-remember, was Dirty Harry's weapon) was a 5 or 6 round model at the time the movie was made. Limitations of the metallurgy back then pretty much clobbered the idea a 6 shot .44 Mag (or .357 Mag) since the hotter loads in the "Magnum" series required more metal in the cylinder, which, of course, meant more weight, which in turn meant more "oomph" to lug it around, which, in practical terms, pretty much boiled down to "Nifty toy, but since I'm the one that's gonna have to drag it around all day, unless you make it mandatory, I'm just gonna stick with my good ol' .38 special, thanks" for most people, cops or not. Dropping that "extra" round meant that critical ounces of weight could be shaved off the gun without reducing the cylinder wall thickness to the point where it would be dangerous to fire, making it more acceptable to the buying public. Nowdays, titanium alloys and other metallurgical improvements make it possible - even trivial - to build .44 or .357 Mag revolvers that hold 6, or in one case I'm aware of (probably more that I don't know about for sure), 7 rounds with the same - or even less - weight as their earlier 5-shot counterparts. And most critically, be able to fire them without the worry of having the cylinder suddenly turn into a shrapnel grenade without notice. -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-23 22:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9b9ed1d1-4c4c-433a-873d-1039aaac6dc4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #425226 |
On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:38:49 PM UTC-4, Don Bruder wrote:
> In article <7ec8de15-7cb7-4831-ac92-b41105b6f064@googlegroups.com>,
> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 10:04:02 AM UTC+11, Gutless Umbrella
> > Carrying Sissy wrote:
> > > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in
> > > news:76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > >> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six
> > > >> rounds, too.
> > > >
> > > > One of the most famous quotes in movie history:
> > > >
> > > > "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only
> > > > five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've
> > > > kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the
> > > > most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head
> > > > clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel
> > > > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"
> > > >
> > > One should not that, regardless of how many rounds it might hold, due
> > > to being a movie gun, it did not, in fact, need reloading at that
> > > point.
> >
> > Actually, at that point the gun WAS empty. There were two "I know what
> > you're thinking" moments in that movie, the first early on where it's said to
> > a random bank robber. The second time, where I think the speech was slightly
> > different, as you say there was (at least) one round left.
> >
> > -Moriarty
>
> All of which ignores the reality that many (Most? I'm certain not ALL,
> though) .44 Mags of that era were 5 round revolvers. Without going to
> the effort of digging it up, I'm not sure whether the Colt Python
> (Which, unless I mis-remember, was Dirty Harry's weapon)
You do. Callahan shot a S&W Model 29.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_29
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Dirty_Harry
{I think it is wonderful that there is an
Internet Movie Firearms Database.}
Note that it is a six-shooter.
I have been taught that some shooters like to load 5 rounds
in a six-shot revolver, so that the hammer rests on an empty
chamber, for extra safety, but that sounds like a personal choice,
not a technical requirement.
> was a 5 or 6
> round model at the time the movie was made. Limitations of the
> metallurgy back then pretty much clobbered the idea a 6 shot .44 Mag (or
> .357 Mag) since the hotter loads in the "Magnum" series required more
> metal in the cylinder, which, of course, meant more weight, which in
> turn meant more "oomph" to lug it around, which, in practical terms,
> pretty much boiled down to "Nifty toy, but since I'm the one that's
> gonna have to drag it around all day, unless you make it mandatory, I'm
> just gonna stick with my good ol' .38 special, thanks" for most people,
> cops or not. Dropping that "extra" round meant that critical ounces of
> weight could be shaved off the gun without reducing the cylinder wall
> thickness to the point where it would be dangerous to fire, making it
> more acceptable to the buying public.
>
Colt Pythons were 6-shot. One of my college buddies who was on the
Navy ROTC pistol and rifle team had one, w/a 6" barrel in the blued
steel. He had taken me to our school's range* to shoot .22 target
pistol and rifle a few times, and on one outing to a private range
off campus I got to shoot the Big Pistol, loaded with wadcutters.
This was the 1970s, and the weapon had been on the market nearly 20
years, so maybe improvements had been made.
I never took up shooting as a hobby, but I was very glad to have had
the experience of learning the absolute basics of handling a firearm
from someone who took safety seriously, and made sure everyone else
around him did, too.
Compared to firing the .22 competition pistols, the Python was like
setting off a howitzer in one's hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Python
> Nowdays, titanium alloys and other metallurgical improvements make it
> possible - even trivial - to build .44 or .357 Mag revolvers that hold
> 6, or in one case I'm aware of (probably more that I don't know about
> for sure), 7 rounds with the same - or even less - weight as their
> earlier 5-shot counterparts. And most critically, be able to fire them
> without the worry of having the cylinder suddenly turn into a shrapnel
> grenade without notice.
>
> --
Kevin R
* Yes, the Old Gym, which housed the practice facilities of our National
Champion basketball team, our wrestlers and winter track athletes also
had ROTC offices and a target range in the basement. Pistols and rifles
and ammo sat in their cases below the hardwood of the practice basketball
court, where, every semester, every student walked through the in-person
class registration process. Strangely, there were no reports of anyone
collapsing, overcome by the waves of eeeevvviiiillll emanating, like
Kryptonite radiation, from the lockers below.
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-24 03:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n0fn78$rk9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #425230 |
In article <9b9ed1d1-4c4c-433a-873d-1039aaac6dc4@googlegroups.com>,
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:38:49 PM UTC-4, Don Bruder wrote:
> > In article <7ec8de15-7cb7-4831-ac92-b41105b6f064@googlegroups.com>,
> > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 10:04:02 AM UTC+11, Gutless Umbrella
> > > Carrying Sissy wrote:
> > > > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote in
> > > > news:76a4ca95-ce15-4023-b571-678a396d7d42@googlegroups.com:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 9:19:48 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >> One of these days they'll show a revolver going empty at six
> > > > >> rounds, too.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the most famous quotes in movie history:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I know what you're thinking: 'Did he fire six shots or only
> > > > > five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've
> > > > > kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the
> > > > > most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head
> > > > > clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel
> > > > > lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?"
> > > > >
> > > > One should not that, regardless of how many rounds it might hold, due
> > > > to being a movie gun, it did not, in fact, need reloading at that
> > > > point.
> > >
> > > Actually, at that point the gun WAS empty. There were two "I know what
> > > you're thinking" moments in that movie, the first early on where it's
> > > said to
> > > a random bank robber. The second time, where I think the speech was
> > > slightly
> > > different, as you say there was (at least) one round left.
> > >
> > > -Moriarty
> >
> > All of which ignores the reality that many (Most? I'm certain not ALL,
> > though) .44 Mags of that era were 5 round revolvers. Without going to
> > the effort of digging it up, I'm not sure whether the Colt Python
> > (Which, unless I mis-remember, was Dirty Harry's weapon)
>
> You do. Callahan shot a S&W Model 29.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_29
>
> http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Dirty_Harry
>
> {I think it is wonderful that there is an
> Internet Movie Firearms Database.}
>
> Note that it is a six-shooter.
I stand corrected. My preferred "lead dispenser" is a S&W Model 15 in
"basic black". Six rounds of .38 Special. Might as well call it a
"Junior .357 Mag" - Same size chunk of lead as the .357, just not as
much "bang-stuff" behind it. (It's not only possible, but common for
owners of .357 Mags to shoot .38 Special through them at practice time -
can't go the other way, though, because cartridge length on a .357 Mag
is deliberately too long to be chambered in a .38 special - you can drop
'em into the cylinder, but you won't be able to close it)
> I have been taught that some shooters like to load 5 rounds
> in a six-shot revolver, so that the hammer rests on an empty
> chamber, for extra safety, but that sounds like a personal choice,
> not a technical requirement.
Depends on the weapon. Some (quite a few, actually) of the older ones
(Read "pre 1950 or so") were risky, if not outright dangerous, to carry
with the hammer laying on a loaded chamber - It was possible, even easy,
to bump the weapon in such a way as to whack the primer, with
predictably bad results. So common practice was to only load five and
put the hammer down on the empty chamber before holstering it. Most
"modern" revolvers don't have that problem due to various mechanical
means of being certain that the primer can't be hit by the hammer unless
the trigger is being pulled.
>
> > was a 5 or 6
> > round model at the time the movie was made. Limitations of the
> > metallurgy back then pretty much clobbered the idea a 6 shot .44 Mag (or
> > .357 Mag) since the hotter loads in the "Magnum" series required more
> > metal in the cylinder, which, of course, meant more weight, which in
> > turn meant more "oomph" to lug it around, which, in practical terms,
> > pretty much boiled down to "Nifty toy, but since I'm the one that's
> > gonna have to drag it around all day, unless you make it mandatory, I'm
> > just gonna stick with my good ol' .38 special, thanks" for most people,
> > cops or not. Dropping that "extra" round meant that critical ounces of
> > weight could be shaved off the gun without reducing the cylinder wall
> > thickness to the point where it would be dangerous to fire, making it
> > more acceptable to the buying public.
> >
>
> Colt Pythons were 6-shot. One of my college buddies who was on the
> Navy ROTC pistol and rifle team had one, w/a 6" barrel in the blued
> steel. He had taken me to our school's range* to shoot .22 target
> pistol and rifle a few times, and on one outing to a private range
> off campus I got to shoot the Big Pistol, loaded with wadcutters.
> This was the 1970s, and the weapon had been on the market nearly 20
> years, so maybe improvements had been made.
>
> I never took up shooting as a hobby, but I was very glad to have had
> the experience of learning the absolute basics of handling a firearm
> from someone who took safety seriously, and made sure everyone else
> around him did, too.
>
> Compared to firing the .22 competition pistols, the Python was like
> setting off a howitzer in one's hand.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Python
>
> > Nowdays, titanium alloys and other metallurgical improvements make it
> > possible - even trivial - to build .44 or .357 Mag revolvers that hold
> > 6, or in one case I'm aware of (probably more that I don't know about
> > for sure), 7 rounds with the same - or even less - weight as their
> > earlier 5-shot counterparts. And most critically, be able to fire them
> > without the worry of having the cylinder suddenly turn into a shrapnel
> > grenade without notice.
> >
> > --
>
> Kevin R
>
> * Yes, the Old Gym, which housed the practice facilities of our National
> Champion basketball team, our wrestlers and winter track athletes also
> had ROTC offices and a target range in the basement. Pistols and rifles
> and ammo sat in their cases below the hardwood of the practice basketball
> court, where, every semester, every student walked through the in-person
> class registration process. Strangely, there were no reports of anyone
> collapsing, overcome by the waves of eeeevvviiiillll emanating, like
> Kryptonite radiation, from the lockers below.
<snicker> Musta got lucky - The exposure just wasn't long enough, or
somethin'... Or maybe the wooden floor acted as shielding. Yah, that's
gotta be it... Gun evil is blocked by varnished wooden gym-floor
material! <Snerk>
I can remember the coat-room at my grade school having gun racks on the
back wall for all the kids who showed up toting their .22s - heck, I was
one of them! On any given day, it wasn't unusual to have 15 or 20 rifles
parked there. Then in high school, when deer season rolled around, NOT
seeing deer rifles moving through the halls to/from lockers, hanging in
truck window racks, or laying on the back deck of beat up old cars in
the student (or staff, for that matter!) parking lot was the "What's up
with that??? Is everybody sick or something?" situation. Yet somehow,
nobody ever got around to shooting anybody...
These days, though... <shakes head sadly> A pop-tart nibbled into the
general shape of a gun is not only newsworthy, but gets the kid run
through the wringer? And people wonder that America is going to hell...
--
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-10-24 16:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d91pr5F3i73U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #425241 |
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:42:49 -0700, Don Bruder wrote: > In article <9b9ed1d1-4c4c-433a-873d-1039aaac6dc4@googlegroups.com>, > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > >> I have been taught that some shooters like to load 5 rounds in a >> six-shot revolver, so that the hammer rests on an empty chamber, for >> extra safety, but that sounds like a personal choice, >> not a technical requirement. > > Depends on the weapon. Some (quite a few, actually) of the older ones > (Read "pre 1950 or so") were risky, if not outright dangerous, to carry > with the hammer laying on a loaded chamber - It was possible, even easy, > to bump the weapon in such a way as to whack the primer, with > predictably bad results. So common practice was to only load five and > put the hammer down on the empty chamber before holstering it. Most > "modern" revolvers don't have that problem due to various mechanical > means of being certain that the primer can't be hit by the hammer unless > the trigger is being pulled. In the early 1970s, I was told a cautionary tale about a young man who had a late-19th-century revolver, and who used an open "gunfighter-style" holster without a safety strap. He wasn't aware of the risk of having a loaded chamber under the hammer. He jumped across a creek, and the revolver fell out of the holster and landed, hammer-down, on a stone. It fired, and, by bad luck, was pointed toward his head, and killed him.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-10-24 13:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30958b965774b6cc989be4@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #425249 |
In article <d91pr5F3i73U1@mid.individual.net>, john@jfeldredge.com says... > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:42:49 -0700, Don Bruder wrote: > > > In article <9b9ed1d1-4c4c-433a-873d-1039aaac6dc4@googlegroups.com>, > > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> I have been taught that some shooters like to load 5 rounds in a > >> six-shot revolver, so that the hammer rests on an empty chamber, for > >> extra safety, but that sounds like a personal choice, > >> not a technical requirement. > > > > Depends on the weapon. Some (quite a few, actually) of the older ones > > (Read "pre 1950 or so") were risky, if not outright dangerous, to carry > > with the hammer laying on a loaded chamber - It was possible, even easy, > > to bump the weapon in such a way as to whack the primer, with > > predictably bad results. So common practice was to only load five and > > put the hammer down on the empty chamber before holstering it. Most > > "modern" revolvers don't have that problem due to various mechanical > > means of being certain that the primer can't be hit by the hammer unless > > the trigger is being pulled. > > In the early 1970s, I was told a cautionary tale about a young man who > had a late-19th-century revolver, and who used an open "gunfighter-style" > holster without a safety strap. He wasn't aware of the risk of having a > loaded chamber under the hammer. He jumped across a creek, and the > revolver fell out of the holster and landed, hammer-down, on a stone. It > fired, and, by bad luck, was pointed toward his head, and killed him. A police officer once told me of an incident in which a fellow officer on a different police force needed to heed the call of nature. While doing this he found it necessary to remove his duty belt. Looking for a place to hang it, he noted that there was a hook on the door to the bathroom stall. So he hung his belt on the hook, using the trigger guard of his service weapon as a convenient loop. You can guess where this is going . . .
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-24 15:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n0h0af$k6h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #425253 |
In article <MPG.30958b965774b6cc989be4@news.eternal-september.org>, "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <d91pr5F3i73U1@mid.individual.net>, john@jfeldredge.com > says... > > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:42:49 -0700, Don Bruder wrote: > > > > > In article <9b9ed1d1-4c4c-433a-873d-1039aaac6dc4@googlegroups.com>, > > > Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I have been taught that some shooters like to load 5 rounds in a > > >> six-shot revolver, so that the hammer rests on an empty chamber, for > > >> extra safety, but that sounds like a personal choice, > > >> not a technical requirement. > > > > > > Depends on the weapon. Some (quite a few, actually) of the older ones > > > (Read "pre 1950 or so") were risky, if not outright dangerous, to carry > > > with the hammer laying on a loaded chamber - It was possible, even easy, > > > to bump the weapon in such a way as to whack the primer, with > > > predictably bad results. So common practice was to only load five and > > > put the hammer down on the empty chamber before holstering it. Most > > > "modern" revolvers don't have that problem due to various mechanical > > > means of being certain that the primer can't be hit by the hammer unless > > > the trigger is being pulled. > > > > In the early 1970s, I was told a cautionary tale about a young man who > > had a late-19th-century revolver, and who used an open "gunfighter-style" > > holster without a safety strap. He wasn't aware of the risk of having a > > loaded chamber under the hammer. He jumped across a creek, and the > > revolver fell out of the holster and landed, hammer-down, on a stone. It > > fired, and, by bad luck, was pointed toward his head, and killed him. Methinks that would fall into the "predictably bad results" category I mentioned... Some people just aren't cut out for the responsibility that comes with owning/carrying/using a gun. Unfortunately for some of them, determining that they aren't up to it sometimes has fatal consequences. > A police officer once told me of an incident in which a fellow officer > on a different police force needed to heed the call of nature. While > doing this he found it necessary to remove his duty belt. Looking for a > place to hang it, he noted that there was a hook on the door to the > bathroom stall. So he hung his belt on the hook, using the trigger > guard of his service weapon as a convenient loop. You can guess where > this is going . . . Nowhere good! :-P (I've heard that same tale multiple times - I suspect, since each time I've heard it, there was a different police force involved, that it's one of those urban legends, but in this case, it serves a useful purpose) Personally, when "that" call needs to be answered in a public restroom when I'm strapped, I use my grandfather's procedure: Remove gun from holster, lift left pantleg and tuck gun into boot (or sock, if not wearing boots) on inside of left leg with butt forward (As if putting it into a cross-draw holster, only into boot/sock instead of a reversed holster on left hip) then proceed to "take the call". Once the "call" is completed, gun is returned to holster, and life goes on. Having it tucked into the boot or sock "backwards" like that makes it pretty nearly impossible to "forget" that it's there and needs to be put back where it belongs before leaving. (It was practically beaten into me that when packing in public, your gun *NEVER* gets set down anywhere, for any reason, under any circumstances - Too easy for even the most careful to have a brain-cramp and walk away, leaving it behind for god-only-knows-who to pick up and do something incredibly stupid, possibly fatal, with it) -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-24 16:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34dfb844-ca3f-455d-8b7b-6c45ff0f7829@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #425265 |
On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 6:24:20 PM UTC-4, Don Bruder wrote: > (It was practically beaten into me that when packing in public, your gun > *NEVER* gets set down anywhere, for any reason, under any circumstances > - Too easy for even the most careful to have a brain-cramp and walk > away, leaving it behind for god-only-knows-who to pick up and do > something incredibly stupid, possibly fatal, with it) > It's even worse if you forget to take the cannoli! Kevin R
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-10-25 17:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <n0jgn0$hpe$1@panix3.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #425249 |
In article <d91pr5F3i73U1@mid.individual.net>, "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> said: > In the early 1970s, I was told a cautionary tale about a young man > who had a late-19th-century revolver, and who used an open > "gunfighter-style" holster without a safety strap. He wasn't > aware of the risk of having a loaded chamber under the hammer. He > jumped across a creek, and the revolver fell out of the holster > and landed, hammer-down, on a stone. It fired, and, by bad luck, > was pointed toward his head, and killed him. And just in the last week we have this so far incomplete and, frankly, more than a bit suspicious story: http://tinyurl.com/p62ha67 Full URL: <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwjDs83Wwt7IAhWIFT4KHc8jCeM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ajc.com%2Fnews%2Fnews%2Fcrime-law%2F8-year-old-girl-fatally-shot-in-the-head-in-her-pa%2Fnn5pZ%2F&usg=AFQjCNEVGjJK-P-cYd-3wXlWY9J821Jlvg&sig2=UwEjSAeRVkOZnI90a7ffYA&bvm=bv.105841590,d.cWw> Alexis Stevens The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Paulding shooting: Mom shot in leg identified; daughter, 8, was killed 6:49 p.m. Monday, Oct. 19, 2015 [...] Marsha Lynch, 45, told investigators a handgun had fallen and discharged when it hit the floor at the family's home on Fairview Drive. The same bullet struck Sharia in the head and her mother in the leg, the Paulding County Sheriff's Office said Monday. Lynch was taken to Floyd Medical Center in Rome, where she underwent surgery. Paramedics hoped to fly Sharia to an Atlanta hospital by helicopter, but her condition deteriorated. She died before arriving at Paulding WellStar Hospital, The deadly shooting remained under investigation, Sgt. Ashley Henson said. No information was released on where the gun was located in the home or how it fell, Henson said in an emailed statement. Two other children and one adult were in the house at the time of the shooting but were not injured. Henson said a GBI firearm forensics team will be assisting with the investigation. "At this point, detectives are still investigating this case and will speak to the victim and witnesses in more detail once the funeral has taken place," Henson said.
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| From | Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 10:51 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <d95iorF2iklU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #425299 |
On 26/10/2015 5:14 AM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <d91pr5F3i73U1@mid.individual.net>, > "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> said: > >> In the early 1970s, I was told a cautionary tale about a young man >> who had a late-19th-century revolver, and who used an open >> "gunfighter-style" holster without a safety strap. He wasn't >> aware of the risk of having a loaded chamber under the hammer. He >> jumped across a creek, and the revolver fell out of the holster >> and landed, hammer-down, on a stone. It fired, and, by bad luck, >> was pointed toward his head, and killed him. > > And just in the last week we have this so far incomplete and, > frankly, more than a bit suspicious story: > > http://tinyurl.com/p62ha67 > > Full URL: <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwjDs83Wwt7IAhWIFT4KHc8jCeM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ajc.com%2Fnews%2Fnews%2Fcrime-law%2F8-year-old-girl-fatally-shot-in-the-head-in-her-pa%2Fnn5pZ%2F&usg=AFQjCNEVGjJK-P-cYd-3wXlWY9J821Jlvg&sig2=UwEjSAeRVkOZnI90a7ffYA&bvm=bv.105841590,d.cWw> Another strange, intransitive use of a normally transitive verb: "Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed when the children visited" Enjoyed what? It would sound even worse if translated literally into French. -- Robert Bannister Perth, Western Australia
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 12:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d1us2bpebot84sh7ngve89q4eo6bqo025e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #425320 |
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:51:05 +0800, Robert Bannister
<robban@clubtelco.com> wrote:
[SNIP]
>Another strange, intransitive use of a normally transitive verb:
>"Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed when the children visited"
>
>Enjoyed what? It would sound even worse if translated literally into French.
"when the children visited". It could be written longer:
Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed the times when the
children visited
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 12:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1e3d6499-ca37-4568-8ec6-73dac6543ff3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #425336 |
On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 2:01:17 PM UTC-5, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:51:05 +0800, Robert Bannister > <robban@clubtelco.com> wrote: > > [SNIP] > > >Another strange, intransitive use of a normally transitive verb: > >"Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed when the children visited" > > > >Enjoyed what? It would sound even worse if translated literally into French. > > "when the children visited". It could be written longer: > Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed the times when the > children visited Or shorter. "(On) Monday, Ahue Sims said he and his wife enjoyed the children's visits." Kevin R
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| From | "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 16:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <12pu56syr407o.1hcmm0qkvuztt$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #425336 |
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:01:12 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote in<news:d1us2bpebot84sh7ngve89q4eo6bqo025e@4ax.com> in rec.arts.sf.written: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:51:05 +0800, Robert Bannister > <robban@clubtelco.com> wrote: > [SNIP] >> Another strange, intransitive use of a normally >> transitive verb: "Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife >> enjoyed when the children visited" >> Enjoyed what? It would sound even worse if translated >> literally into French. > "when the children visited". It could be written longer: > Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed the times > when the children visited I expect that Robert understood it, as did I. It is, however, ungrammatical in my idiolect: ‘enjoyed’ requires an object, even if that object is only a placeholder like ‘it’. Brian -- It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss, haggisss.
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 19:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <jlpt2b5usn94mc7d87ahm2lddcq225ad93@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #425345 |
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:42:05 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
<b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:01:12 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
><genew@telus.net> wrote
>in<news:d1us2bpebot84sh7ngve89q4eo6bqo025e@4ax.com> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:51:05 +0800, Robert Bannister
>> <robban@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>
>> [SNIP]
>
>>> Another strange, intransitive use of a normally
>>> transitive verb: "Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife
>>> enjoyed when the children visited"
>
>>> Enjoyed what? It would sound even worse if translated
>>> literally into French.
>
>> "when the children visited". It could be written longer:
>> Ahue Sims said Monday he and his wife enjoyed the times
>> when the children visited
>
>I expect that Robert understood it, as did I. It is,
>however, ungrammatical in my idiolect: ‘enjoyed’ requires
>an object, even if that object is only a placeholder like
>‘it’.
To me, "when the children visited" *is* an object.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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