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| Started by | The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-05-05 18:03 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 290 — 42 participants |
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Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 21:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-13 23:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-14 03:44 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:16 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 21:40 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 19:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-04-15 15:19 +1200
Re: Undeservedly famous "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 09:10 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-15 20:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:38 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-16 13:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 22:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 01:39 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:26 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:35 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 18:44 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2018-04-15 23:39 +0000
Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 06:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:34 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 07:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-14 16:37 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 16:57 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-14 14:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:37 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:42 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-04-15 01:01 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:46 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:47 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:49 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 16:31 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:17 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:40 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 14:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:07 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-16 21:54 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:09 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 22:23 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:28 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-14 13:26 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-14 21:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 02:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:38 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 03:53 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:12 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-16 00:55 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-16 15:46 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:45 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 13:01 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:02 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:13 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:56 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 05:09 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:43 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-15 16:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 00:42 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 05:41 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:46 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous eichler2@comcastsucks.net (Bice) - 2018-04-16 13:05 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 13:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2018-04-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 22:49 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-14 23:17 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-15 01:49 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 08:13 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 08:47 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:54 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 17:50 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous The Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:33 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 14:19 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-16 12:35 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:56 +0300
Re: Undeservedly famous Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-16 13:45 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 21:56 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 19:16 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:33 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-15 21:00 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 05:36 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-16 01:03 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-17 22:59 -0500
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 13:37 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 21:15 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:11 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 14:34 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:03 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:40 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-21 15:38 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-18 21:15 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-21 01:15 -0500
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Re: Undeservedly famous J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 21:28 -0400
Re: Undeservedly famous Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 01:06 -0400
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-19 03:40 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 10:23 -0700
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Re: Undeservedly famous Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 13:04 -0700
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-19 21:32 -0600
Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-15 22:35 +0000
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Re: Undeservedly famous djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-16 01:10 +0000
Re: Undeservedly famous Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-15 19:37 -0600
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490324 |
In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>> >>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>> >>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper >>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>> >>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >> >> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >> > >http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip collections and reference books. -- ------ columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 14:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fjhr3jF1ludU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490346 |
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: >I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite >being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my >kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >collections and reference books. I have thousands of books, most of which never got unpacked after the 1998 move. Some of them got unpacked in 2003, just in time for the sudden move to Toronto. The shelves got assembled but no books on them just in time for the sudden move FROM Toronto. Shelves got assembled and one box got unpacked in the current place before I got pre-occupied with my late wife's illness. By the time I had time again, I was hooked on e-reading. I do most of my reading on my phone. I have a Kobo Mini that I keep around in case I need to do reading in sunlight. It replaced a previous mini and two Sonys (first one died within warranty, second less than another year later. Bah sony quality.) The problem is that I find cracking books to work in my usable phone reader to be a nuisance. And so many of the books have never been released in e-book. I had to go pirate to read Ringworld Throne, which is book three in a series of five. How can they keep publishing sequels to a book that they refuse to sell? (Three finished poorly. I consider 3 and 4 to be a split single novel.) -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78ttv.HG5@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490346 |
In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>> >>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>> >>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper >>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>> >>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>> >>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>> >> >>http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ > >I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite >being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my >kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >collections and reference books. I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because Amazon felt like it. The only books I've bought online are Graydon's, on googlebooks ... I hope I can trust them. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 15:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pb0eok$u1d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #490365 |
On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>>> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>>> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>>> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>>> >>> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >> collections and reference books. > > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because > Amazon felt like it. ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all because I don't synch my Kindle.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 14:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33ef01e6-ac93-4eb6-b1b2-9f0a078bfb3f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490371 |
On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: > On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, > > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: > >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, > >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney > >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger > >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier > >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. > >>>>> > >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper > >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes > >>>> > >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? > >>>> > >>> > >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ > >> > >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite > >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my > >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip > >> collections and reference books. > > > > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because > > Amazon felt like it. > > ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had > done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all > because I don't synch my Kindle. Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 17:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7cg7dd9aum0h270tbg697ri9g5unet8os0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490373 |
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather than in paper >> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >> >>>> >> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >> >> >> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer print. Despite >> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once I got my >> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >> >> collections and reference books. >> > >> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >> > Amazon felt like it. >> >> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >> because I don't synch my Kindle. > >Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and > get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. I synch my phone, my desktop, and my two tablets. Can usually stop reading on one and pick up where I left off on another. Can even do that going from audiobook to written book in some cases. If they go away, then they do--if it's something I really really want to revisit then I can always look for a paper copy.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 22:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p78zE2.syw@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490375 |
In article <7cg7dd9aum0h270tbg697ri9g5unet8os0@4ax.com>, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie ><rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: > >>On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> > In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>> > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>> >> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>> >> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>> >>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >>> >>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>> >>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >than in paper >>> >>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>> >> >>> >> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >print. Despite >>> >> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once >I got my >>> >> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>> >> collections and reference books. >>> > >>> > I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>> > Amazon felt like it. >>> >>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >> >>Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. > >I synch my phone, my desktop, and my two tablets. Can usually stop >reading on one and pick up where I left off on another. Can even do >that going from audiobook to written book in some cases. If they go >away, then they do--if it's something I really really want to revisit >then I can always look for a paper copy. See, this is (one of the) reason(s) I buy paper copies in the first place. Another is that my vision is getting fuzzy* and I can hold the page a couple inches from my good eye and read it. I don't know how well that would work with a handheld of any kind -- it takes some squirming to get my eye close enough to the PC screen. :) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 16:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pb0l25$1754$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #490388 |
On 2018-04-15 4:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <7cg7dd9aum0h270tbg697ri9g5unet8os0@4ax.com>, > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie >> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger and bigger >>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >> than in paper >>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >> print. Despite >>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once >> I got my >>>>>> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>>>>> collections and reference books. >>>>> >>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>>>> Amazon felt like it. >>>> >>>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >>> >>> Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >> >> I synch my phone, my desktop, and my two tablets. Can usually stop >> reading on one and pick up where I left off on another. Can even do >> that going from audiobook to written book in some cases. If they go >> away, then they do--if it's something I really really want to revisit >> then I can always look for a paper copy. > > See, this is (one of the) reason(s) I buy paper copies in the > first place. Another is that my vision is getting fuzzy* and I > can hold the page a couple inches from my good eye and read it. > I don't know how well that would work with a handheld of any kind > -- it takes some squirming to get my eye close enough to the PC > screen. :) > Changing the font size to larger works rather better.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 23:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7922B.y7p@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490389 |
In article <pb0l25$1754$1@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2018-04-15 4:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <7cg7dd9aum0h270tbg697ri9g5unet8os0@4ax.com>, >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie >>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >and bigger >>>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >>> than in paper >>>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >>> print. Despite >>>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once >>> I got my >>>>>>> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>>>>>> collections and reference books. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>>>>> Amazon felt like it. >>>>> >>>>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>>>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >>>> >>>> Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >>>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >>> >>> I synch my phone, my desktop, and my two tablets. Can usually stop >>> reading on one and pick up where I left off on another. Can even do >>> that going from audiobook to written book in some cases. If they go >>> away, then they do--if it's something I really really want to revisit >>> then I can always look for a paper copy. >> >> See, this is (one of the) reason(s) I buy paper copies in the >> first place. Another is that my vision is getting fuzzy* and I >> can hold the page a couple inches from my good eye and read it. >> I don't know how well that would work with a handheld of any kind >> -- it takes some squirming to get my eye close enough to the PC >> screen. :) >> > >Changing the font size to larger works rather better. Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 19:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <fjibaaF4rioU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #490397 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>On 2018-04-15 4:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> -- it takes some squirming to get my eye close enough to the PC >>> screen. :) >>> >> >>Changing the font size to larger works rather better. > >Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into >invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted >handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. In any reasonable reader, the text will reflow on a font size adjust. Note that PDF doesn't SUPPORT any reasonable readers. I'm always twitching the font size up or down a bit depending on ambient light and how tired I am. I don't even think of it any more than I think of adjusting the volume on my car stereo. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 19:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <25f3da81-81b4-45eb-8ebc-409c742ed663@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490404 |
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:07:25 PM UTC-6, Greg Goss wrote: > In any reasonable reader, the text will reflow on a font size adjust. > Note that PDF doesn't SUPPORT any reasonable readers. The purpose of PDF is to preserve documents in exactly the form they would be printed on paper. A PDF file is the electronic equivalent of a paper copy. Paper copies don't reflow, and neither do PDFs. PDF was invented as a business document format. It works fine for advertising brochures and flyers, where the authors insist they be seen exactly as the art department made them. Because nothing else was available for a time, it was used for electronic books - but it is not an "e-reader" type of format. For that, you want EPUB. Djvu is also a format that keeps books in their original format, but maybe it permits flexibility. John Savard
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 21:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cbt7dddm202g4cs7kjuodq24aiphcnp2vc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490397 |
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: >In article <pb0l25$1754$1@gioia.aioe.org>, >David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>On 2018-04-15 4:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> In article <7cg7dd9aum0h270tbg697ri9g5unet8os0@4ax.com>, >>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie >>>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 22:04:25 UTC+1, David Johnston wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-04-15 2:20 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>>>>> In article <fjhhmmFtm4aU2@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <pavole$1n1b$3@gioia.aioe.org>, >>>>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15 6:13 AM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:49:37 -0500, David DeLaney >>>>>>>>>> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-15, David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-14 8:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it seems we are heading in that direction, with bigger >>and bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>> televisions with more and more channels of crappier and crappier >>>>>>>>>>>>> entertainment, and loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *bullshit*. There is no loss of interest in reading. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed; people just are doing it on their phones now, rather >>>> than in paper >>>>>>>>>>> books, newspapers, and magazines. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dave, the which have declining circulation, yes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you have statistics? And do you include newspapers and magazines? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/book-reading-2016/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I find it curious that so many (in their survey) still prefer >>>> print. Despite >>>>>>>> being a tech troglodyte in many respects, I never looked back once >>>> I got my >>>>>>>> kindle. The only stuff I buy in paper now is comic books/comic strip >>>>>>>> collections and reference books. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't trust Kindle books not to evaporate suddenly because >>>>>>> Amazon felt like it. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...don't synch your Kindle. That's all it takes. Even if Amazon had >>>>>> done that, to one of my books it wouldn't make any different at all >>>>>> because I don't synch my Kindle. >>>>> >>>>> Until your Kindle breaks. Then you can buy another Kindle and >>>>> get back books that Amazon says you can get back, I guess. >>>> >>>> I synch my phone, my desktop, and my two tablets. Can usually stop >>>> reading on one and pick up where I left off on another. Can even do >>>> that going from audiobook to written book in some cases. If they go >>>> away, then they do--if it's something I really really want to revisit >>>> then I can always look for a paper copy. >>> >>> See, this is (one of the) reason(s) I buy paper copies in the >>> first place. Another is that my vision is getting fuzzy* and I >>> can hold the page a couple inches from my good eye and read it. >>> I don't know how well that would work with a handheld of any kind >>> -- it takes some squirming to get my eye close enough to the PC >>> screen. :) >>> >> >>Changing the font size to larger works rather better. > >Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into >invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted >handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. This hasn't been an issue for me using either Kindle Cloud Reader or the Kindle App.. They adjust the text to stay within the margins. The largest font in the Kindle App is about an inch high on my big screen but I can zoom windows to get it several times that large.
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| From | Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 22:02 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <dbt7ddlakg7pbg9qgv5fghbhri4cf31t3e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #490397 |
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote: > Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into > invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted > handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap. Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why page "designers" disable wrapping. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-15 22:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pb1bh2$4s0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490417 |
On 4/15/2018 6:02 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J > Heydt) wrote: > >> Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into >> invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted >> handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. > > Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap. > > Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why > page "designers" disable wrapping. > Probably one of two reasons. 1) It didn't occur to them to change the default; 2) it would interfere with the ads. -- Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 17:07 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.353edabbf5320a98989aee@news.kolumbus.fi> |
| In reply to | #490429 |
In article <pb1bh2$4s0$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net says... > > On 4/15/2018 6:02 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J > > Heydt) wrote: > > > >> Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into > >> invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted > >> handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. > > > > Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap. > > > > Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why > > page "designers" disable wrapping. > > > Probably one of two reasons. 1) It didn't occur to them to change the > default; 2) it would interfere with the ads. 3) Peons shouldn't interfere with their pixel-perfect design (tested on precisely one client.). -- Juho Julkunen
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| From | news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 15:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1nncw4i.1eiucv11flohtpN%news{@bestley.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #490449 |
Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <pb1bh2$4s0$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net says... > > > > On 4/15/2018 6:02 PM, Joy Beeson wrote: > > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J > > > Heydt) wrote: > > > > > >> Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into > > >> invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted > > >> handhelds; I don't have any handhelds. > > > > > > Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap. > > > > > > Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why > > > page "designers" disable wrapping. > > > > > Probably one of two reasons. 1) It didn't occur to them to change the > > default; 2) it would interfere with the ads. > > 3) Peons shouldn't interfere with their pixel-perfect design (tested on > precisely one client.). and I suspect most on the HTML newsgroup would agree that is bad. I think that is the dewsigners who would not read that technical stuff who cause the trouble. -- Mark
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 14:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7A8qn.1Jr0@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #490450 |
In article <1nncw4i.1eiucv11flohtpN%news{@bestley.co.uk>,
Mark Bestley <news{@bestley.co.uk> wrote:
>Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <pb1bh2$4s0$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net says...
>> >
>> > On 4/15/2018 6:02 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> > > Heydt) wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into
>> > >> invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted
>> > >> handhelds; I don't have any handhelds.
>> > >
>> > > Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap.
>> > >
>> > > Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why
>> > > page "designers" disable wrapping.
>> > >
>> > Probably one of two reasons. 1) It didn't occur to them to change the
>> > default; 2) it would interfere with the ads.
>>
>> 3) Peons shouldn't interfere with their pixel-perfect design (tested on
>> precisely one client.).
>and I suspect most on the HTML newsgroup would agree that is bad. I
>think that is the dewsigners who would not read that technical stuff who
>cause the trouble.
Is "dewsigners" a typo, or have you just coined a term for
dewy-eyed innocents who don't understand all that codey stuff and
don't want to? :)
I count myself among their number; Hal says I know more about
computers than most non-programmers; he also acknowledges that
that's a very low bar.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 09:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pb2hip$cfr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #490454 |
On 4/16/2018 7:39 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <1nncw4i.1eiucv11flohtpN%news{@bestley.co.uk>,
> Mark Bestley <news{@bestley.co.uk> wrote:
>> Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <pb1bh2$4s0$1@dont-email.me>, dtravel@sonic.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2018 6:02 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:18:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Except it tends to make the text run past the margins into
>>>>>> invisibility. Mind, I'm talking about the PC, not the assorted
>>>>>> handhelds; I don't have any handhelds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clicking "no style" often restores the ability to wrap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someday I'm going to log into the HTML newsgroup and ask how and why
>>>>> page "designers" disable wrapping.
>>>>>
>>>> Probably one of two reasons. 1) It didn't occur to them to change the
>>>> default; 2) it would interfere with the ads.
>>>
>>> 3) Peons shouldn't interfere with their pixel-perfect design (tested on
>>> precisely one client.).
>> and I suspect most on the HTML newsgroup would agree that is bad. I
>> think that is the dewsigners who would not read that technical stuff who
>> cause the trouble.
>
> Is "dewsigners" a typo, or have you just coined a term for
> dewy-eyed innocents who don't understand all that codey stuff and
> don't want to? :)
>
> I count myself among their number; Hal says I know more about
> computers than most non-programmers; he also acknowledges that
> that's a very low bar.
>
The problem is that in the current software development environment, you
probably know more than most programmers under age 30. Who have likely
never actually _SEEN_ source code.
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2018-04-16 10:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <aba06bfb-4a3f-4e02-b54d-b7f1b964a857@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #490462 |
On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, Dimensional Traveler wrote: > On 4/16/2018 7:39 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > I count myself among their number; Hal says I know more about > > computers than most non-programmers; he also acknowledges that > > that's a very low bar. > The problem is that in the current software development environment, you > probably know more than most programmers under age 30. Who have likely > never actually _SEEN_ source code. How can someone, whatever his age, be called a "programmer" if he hasn't written source code? Also, even incompetent programmers under 30 are probably fairly slick at messing around with Windows. John Savard
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| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-04-16 11:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA8C6757E051CCtaustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #490463 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:aba06bfb-4a3f-4e02-b54d-b7f1b964a857@googlegroups.com:
> On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, Dimensional
> Traveler wrote:
>> On 4/16/2018 7:39 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>> > I count myself among their number; Hal says I know more about
>> > computers than most non-programmers; he also acknowledges
>> > that that's a very low bar.
>
>> The problem is that in the current software development
>> environment, you probably know more than most programmers under
>> age 30. Who have likely never actually _SEEN_ source code.
>
> How can someone, whatever his age, be called a "programmer" if
> he hasn't written source code?
There's source code, and then there's source code. A lot of what
passes for programming these days is actually scripting, using
languages like javascript or PHP. While there's some similarity, it's
not programming, realistically speaking.
There's also an increasing amount of just plugging in modular
components (often with a drag-n-drop GUI) that someone else created.
>
> Also, even incompetent programmers under 30 are probably fairly
> slick at messing around with Windows.
Generally speaking, no, they often aren't. Most companies that hire
"progammers" want college degrees, and college degree programs don't
teach that (or much about real world programming, either).
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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