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Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?

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  Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? John Pelan <jpelan13@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:16 -0700
    Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 04:05 +0000
      Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 01:41 -0400
        Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:42 +0000
          Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 13:08 -0400
            Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 17:18 +0000
              Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 14:54 -0700
                Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-20 18:05 -0400
              Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:32 +0000
                Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 21:04 +0000
                  Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:38 -0400
                    Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 21:12 -0600
                      Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 23:40 -0400
                        Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 06:07 +0000
                      Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 06:06 -0700
                        Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0600
                          Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:03 -0400
                            Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 15:58 -0600
                          Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-08-29 22:27 +0100
                  Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 01:00 +0100
                    Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 00:39 +0000
                      Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 +0100
                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 16:48 +0000
                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 12:24 -0700
                          Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 20:21 +0000
                            Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-29 21:27 +0000
                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 23:00 +0000
                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-30 02:38 +0000
                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:35 -0400
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 01:19 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:50 -0400
                            Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:13 -0600
                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:24 -0700
                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-31 20:20 +0100
                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 00:44 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 22:27 -0500
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 04:51 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-01 10:50 +0100
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 14:55 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 15:12 +0000
                                          Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 15:46 +0000
                                            Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:04 +0100
                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:22 +0000
                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-09-07 17:15 +0000
                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 23:22 -0400
                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 17:57 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 18:09 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 18:23 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 14:04 -0700
                                          Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:27 +0000
                                            Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:29 -0700
                                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:49 -0700
                                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 02:55 +0000
                                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:29 -0400
                                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:11 +0000
                                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:47 +0100
                                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2015-09-02 23:51 +0000
                                                  Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-03 01:45 +0000
                                              Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-02 07:03 -0700
                                                Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 14:14 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2015-09-02 10:22 +0100
                                          Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:14 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:42 -0600
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:12 -0700
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 00:00 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 19:24 -0400
                                      Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:29 +0000
                                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:52 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-01 20:01 -0500
                        Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 19:33 -0400
                          Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:08 +0100
                      Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:32 -0400
      Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-20 12:02 -0500

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#420648 — Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?

FromJohn Pelan <jpelan13@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-19 20:16 -0700
SubjectRe: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?
Message-ID<84e72fd1-4bed-4099-9f74-63a195cc36a6@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 5:26:16 PM UTC-7, John Pelan wrote:

> Oh yes, and I've
> promised to do the Complete Nictzin Dyalhis in 2006. ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John
> 
www.ramblehouse.com

Okay, so I've run late...  The good news is that I'm 90% done with the data entry for The Sapphire Siren & Other Tales of Inter-planetary Adventure. This will be the complete SF/Fantasy stories of Nictzin Dyalhis. Stay tuned to the Dancing Tuatara Press section on the main Ramble House page. It's really bizarre as I started to work on this project in 1986. It was going to be the first Axolotl Press book, as a matter of fact, the name of the press hadn't even been selected yet. Had three stories entered into the word processor and then along comes Tim Powers with "Night Moves". I figure what the heck, Tim's alive and well and Dyalhis has been gone for years, so I'll just do Tim's book first and then do the Dyalhis collection. Well, one thing led to another and the project kept getting pushed aside. Recently my pal John Betancourt at Wildside made some files available which dramatically cut down the prep time that we would have to spend entering data. Since I had a couple of stories that his e-book was missing we basically swapped files so that there will be a dead tree version from Dancing Tuatara Press and Wildside will be able to issue version 2.0 in their e-book line. After all these years the project that got me started in this crazy business will finally be a reality. Figure on the book being released next month!

Cheers,

John Pelan
Editor - Dancing Tuatara Press
Science Fiction Editor - Centipede Press

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#420650

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-08-20 04:05 +0000
Message-ID<ntD4p1.1Kx3@kithrup.com>
In reply to#420648
In article <84e72fd1-4bed-4099-9f74-63a195cc36a6@googlegroups.com>,
John Pelan  <jpelan13@gmail.com> wrote:
>so that there will be a dead tree version from Dancing Tuatara Press and
>Wildside will be able to issue version 2.0 in their e-book line.  After
>all these years the project that got me started in this crazy business
>will finally be a reality. Figure on the book being released next month!

Conga rats!  Particularly in getting Wildside to do ANYthing.  My
agent sent 'em an inquiry back in the day, and they never even
troubled to say No.  

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420656

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
Date2015-08-20 01:41 -0400
Message-ID<pvpata90rp5vn6v9tgkvau9e63k5f43ada@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#420650
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:05:25 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <84e72fd1-4bed-4099-9f74-63a195cc36a6@googlegroups.com>,
>John Pelan  <jpelan13@gmail.com> wrote:
>>so that there will be a dead tree version from Dancing Tuatara Press and
>>Wildside will be able to issue version 2.0 in their e-book line.  After
>>all these years the project that got me started in this crazy business
>>will finally be a reality. Figure on the book being released next month!
>
>Conga rats!  Particularly in getting Wildside to do ANYthing.  My
>agent sent 'em an inquiry back in the day, and they never even
>troubled to say No.  

When was that?

I have little trouble getting a response from Wildside.  Living nearby
and having adopted the publisher's cat may have helped with that.





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#420673

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-08-20 13:42 +0000
Message-ID<ntDvFB.162K@kithrup.com>
In reply to#420656
In article <pvpata90rp5vn6v9tgkvau9e63k5f43ada@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans  <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:05:25 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <84e72fd1-4bed-4099-9f74-63a195cc36a6@googlegroups.com>,
>>John Pelan  <jpelan13@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>so that there will be a dead tree version from Dancing Tuatara Press and
>>>Wildside will be able to issue version 2.0 in their e-book line.  After
>>>all these years the project that got me started in this crazy business
>>>will finally be a reality. Figure on the book being released next month!
>>
>>Conga rats!  Particularly in getting Wildside to do ANYthing.  My
>>agent sent 'em an inquiry back in the day, and they never even
>>troubled to say No.  
>
>When was that?
>
>I have little trouble getting a response from Wildside.  Living nearby
>and having adopted the publisher's cat may have helped with that.

Maybe.  It was a goodish while ago, like early 2000s.

Let me look it up ... but I remember talking [typing] to you
about it. ....

Well, I can't find the original email from my agent, and I can't
find the original discussion with you.

But in 2006 I had a discussion with Ann Sharp, who manages the
Marion Zimmer Bradley Trust, and I told her,

>Some years ago, Patricia Wrede suggested that Wildside might be
>interested in publishing _TIL_.  She put me in touch with the
>publicity person there, who sounded very enthusiastic (well,
>publicity people have to, I guess) and suggested that my agent
>get in touch with their editor, John Betancourt.  So he did.
>
>Betancourt never answered.  NEVER.  Not even a "No."  Dropped us
>into the fathomless abyss.  I mentioned this once on rasfw, and
>here's what Lawrence Watt-Evans said:
>
>"I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
>
>"John Betancourt is a nice guy, but he's not good at time management
>and has a tendency to lose track of things he needs to respond to.
>I'm not sure whether to advise you to nag him until you get a
>response, or to say you should shrug and forget it.

>Wildside has a total staff of five, not all of them full-time and
>not all of them sane, and all of whom have other employment as well
>because Wildside can't actually support them.  It's published over a
>thousand titles in the last couple of years, and the most profitable
>have been the public-domain reprints, so that's where attention tends
>to get focused.  As a result -- yeah, a lot of balls get dropped.
>
>"It might be worth another try.  They aren't _deliberately_ rude, just
>disorganized and overloaded.  If you don't have the patience to?j deal
>with that, though, I woudn't blame you a bit."

So that's a quotation from you, which is SOMEwhere on my disk,
though I can't find the original at the moment.  (It's twenty to
seven, the kid's schoolbus is supposed to arrive at seven, we got
up at six, the search-fu is not awake yet.)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420699

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net>
Date2015-08-20 13:08 -0400
Message-ID<eh1cta948o3i8gbrjbd2kq4jh4mdi66lu4@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#420673
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:42:47 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <pvpata90rp5vn6v9tgkvau9e63k5f43ada@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
>Lawrence Watt-Evans  <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:05:25 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>>Conga rats!  Particularly in getting Wildside to do ANYthing.  My
>>>agent sent 'em an inquiry back in the day, and they never even
>>>troubled to say No.  
>>
>>When was that?
>>
>>I have little trouble getting a response from Wildside.  Living nearby
>>and having adopted the publisher's cat may have helped with that.
>
>Maybe.  It was a goodish while ago, like early 2000s.
>
>Let me look it up ... but I remember talking [typing] to you
>about it. ....
>
>Well, I can't find the original email from my agent, and I can't
>find the original discussion with you.
>
>But in 2006 I had a discussion with Ann Sharp, who manages the
>Marion Zimmer Bradley Trust, and I told her,
>
>>Some years ago, Patricia Wrede suggested that Wildside might be
>>interested in publishing _TIL_.  She put me in touch with the
>>publicity person there, who sounded very enthusiastic (well,
>>publicity people have to, I guess) and suggested that my agent
>>get in touch with their editor, John Betancourt.  So he did.
>>
>>Betancourt never answered.  NEVER.  Not even a "No."  Dropped us
>>into the fathomless abyss.  I mentioned this once on rasfw, and
>>here's what Lawrence Watt-Evans said:
>>
>>"I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
>>
>>"John Betancourt is a nice guy, but he's not good at time management
>>and has a tendency to lose track of things he needs to respond to.
>>I'm not sure whether to advise you to nag him until you get a
>>response, or to say you should shrug and forget it.

Yeah, that sounds about right for that time period.

Since then, however, John has largely gotten his act together.  Thanks
to the boom in ebooks that began when the Kindle was released in 2007,
Wildside DOES now support him; it's his full-time job.

He's fired at least three of the other four people who were working
for him in '06, which (perversely) helped*.  (I'm not sure who the
fourth one was, to be honest.)  And he's gotten better at time
management -- still not anywhere near perfect, but much better than he
was.

I'm not saying you should try again, necessarily, but if you did, and
still got absolutely no response, this time I _would_ be surprised.

=

*  All three of them (including the publicity person you contacted)
then tried running their own small presses.  At least two went
bankrupt; not sure about the third.



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#420701

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-08-20 17:18 +0000
Message-ID<ntE5Ey.1oDH@kithrup.com>
In reply to#420699
In article <eh1cta948o3i8gbrjbd2kq4jh4mdi66lu4@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans  <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:42:47 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <pvpata90rp5vn6v9tgkvau9e63k5f43ada@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
>>Lawrence Watt-Evans  <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:05:25 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Conga rats!  Particularly in getting Wildside to do ANYthing.  My
>>>>agent sent 'em an inquiry back in the day, and they never even
>>>>troubled to say No.  
>>>
>>>When was that?
>>>
>>>I have little trouble getting a response from Wildside.  Living nearby
>>>and having adopted the publisher's cat may have helped with that.
>>
>>Maybe.  It was a goodish while ago, like early 2000s.
>>
>>Let me look it up ... but I remember talking [typing] to you
>>about it. ....
>>
>>Well, I can't find the original email from my agent, and I can't
>>find the original discussion with you.
>>
>>But in 2006 I had a discussion with Ann Sharp, who manages the
>>Marion Zimmer Bradley Trust, and I told her,
>>
>>>Some years ago, Patricia Wrede suggested that Wildside might be
>>>interested in publishing _TIL_.  She put me in touch with the
>>>publicity person there, who sounded very enthusiastic (well,
>>>publicity people have to, I guess) and suggested that my agent
>>>get in touch with their editor, John Betancourt.  So he did.
>>>
>>>Betancourt never answered.  NEVER.  Not even a "No."  Dropped us
>>>into the fathomless abyss.  I mentioned this once on rasfw, and
>>>here's what Lawrence Watt-Evans said:
>>>
>>>"I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
>>>
>>>"John Betancourt is a nice guy, but he's not good at time management
>>>and has a tendency to lose track of things he needs to respond to.
>>>I'm not sure whether to advise you to nag him until you get a
>>>response, or to say you should shrug and forget it.
>
>Yeah, that sounds about right for that time period.
>
>Since then, however, John has largely gotten his act together.  Thanks
>to the boom in ebooks that began when the Kindle was released in 2007,
>Wildside DOES now support him; it's his full-time job.
>
>He's fired at least three of the other four people who were working
>for him in '06, which (perversely) helped*.  (I'm not sure who the
>fourth one was, to be honest.)  And he's gotten better at time
>management -- still not anywhere near perfect, but much better than he
>was.
>
>I'm not saying you should try again, necessarily, but if you did, and
>still got absolutely no response, this time I _would_ be surprised.

/shrug

At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#420722

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2015-08-20 14:54 -0700
Message-ID<a8132807-7146-483b-806e-02c9bfe509c1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#420701
On Thursday, 20 August 2015 18:30:14 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt  wrote:
> In article <eh1cta948o3i8gbrjbd2kq4jh4mdi66lu4@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans  <lwe@sff.net> wrote:
> >[Untold Tales of John Betancourt]
> >I'm not saying you should try again, necessarily, but if you did, and
> >still got absolutely no response, this time I _would_ be surprised.
> 
> /shrug
> 
> At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
> to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
> Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.

This seems to leave open the question of how much is
an actual embarrassment of chutzpah, except that sadly 
it is not exchangeable for an actual embarrassment of 
riches.

...unless an embarrassment of riches is actually very
little riches.  Hmm, it kind of makes sense that way.

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#420723

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-08-20 18:05 -0400
Message-ID<unev9xb7m5tc.1ri04wawbm6id$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#420722
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:54:10 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote
in<news:a8132807-7146-483b-806e-02c9bfe509c1@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> an actual embarrassment of chutzpah, [...]

Seems a bit of an oxymoron.

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421354

Fromjdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
Date2015-08-28 17:32 +0000
Message-ID<mrq609$i3i$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#420701
In article <ntE5Ey.1oDH@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
>to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
>Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.

I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
print and I will promote it on my site.


-- 
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Livejournal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll
http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with
defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)

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#421380

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-08-28 21:04 +0000
Message-ID<ntt972.1z51@kithrup.com>
In reply to#421354
In article <mrq609$i3i$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <ntE5Ey.1oDH@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>
>>At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
>>to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
>>Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.
>
>I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
>print and I will promote it on my site.

Well, I'll tellya.  I am begining to think about it, having been
reassured by my daughter that *I* will not have to do any
marketing whatsoever, she and her friends (who include Seanan
McGuire) will do it by word-of-mouth, or rather, by word-of-net.

But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
of any?

(Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that
effect.)

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#421396

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-28 18:38 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.304aacce92877bad989aec@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#421380
In article <ntt972.1z51@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
> 
> In article <mrq609$i3i$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article <ntE5Ey.1oDH@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
> >>to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
> >>Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.
> >
> >I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
> >print and I will promote it on my site.
> 
> Well, I'll tellya.  I am begining to think about it, having been
> reassured by my daughter that *I* will not have to do any
> marketing whatsoever, she and her friends (who include Seanan
> McGuire) will do it by word-of-mouth, or rather, by word-of-net.
> 
> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
> different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
> of any?
> 
> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
> choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
> reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
> have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
> the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
> up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that
> effect.)

Fonts can be embedded in PDFs, whether there's a free/cheap tool to do 
that though I have no idea.

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#421412

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-08-28 21:12 -0600
Message-ID<d4cm8mFin95U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#421396
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <ntt972.1z51@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
>> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
>> >>to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
>> >>Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.
>> >
>> >I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
>> >print and I will promote it on my site.
...
>> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
>> different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
>> of any?
>
>Fonts can be embedded in PDFs, whether there's a free/cheap tool to do 
>that though I have no idea.

I've tried and failed to read PDFs on my phone, and failed every time.
For someone who reads probably five hours a day on that screen, the
frustration with PDF means that it's likely incompatible with small
screens.

Pretty much everything I read is in epub.  I have no idea what epub is
doing with fonts -- I tend to tune out fonts.  But I won't read PDFs
on my phone, and 95% of my book reading is on the phone.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#421425

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-08-28 23:40 -0400
Message-ID<1ccad17fdsn2z$.a9gedkbamud$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#421412
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:12:12 -0600, Greg Goss
<gossg@gossg.org> wrote
in<news:d4cm8mFin95U1@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> I've tried and failed to read PDFs on my phone, and
> failed every time. For someone who reads probably five
> hours a day on that screen, the frustration with PDF
> means that it's likely incompatible with small screens.

I don’t have a phone, so I can’t judge, but I do
occasionally read mathematical PDFs on a Kindle Fire HD 7
in horizontal orientation without any real trouble.  Since
pages are normally taller than they are wide, that
orientation reduces the available screen space
significantly, though probably not as much as a phone.

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421434

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2015-08-29 06:07 +0000
Message-ID<nttyD7.1162@kithrup.com>
In reply to#421425
In article <1ccad17fdsn2z$.a9gedkbamud$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Brian M. Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:12:12 -0600, Greg Goss
><gossg@gossg.org> wrote
>in<news:d4cm8mFin95U1@mid.individual.net> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>> I've tried and failed to read PDFs on my phone, and
>> failed every time. For someone who reads probably five
>> hours a day on that screen, the frustration with PDF
>> means that it's likely incompatible with small screens.
>
>I don’t have a phone, so I can’t judge, but I do
>occasionally read mathematical PDFs on a Kindle Fire HD 7
>in horizontal orientation without any real trouble.  Since
>pages are normally taller than they are wide, that
>orientation reduces the available screen space
>significantly, though probably not as much as a phone.
>

I don't have a phone either.

/sigh

If anyone knows of a format that would be legible both on a phone
and on a computer, and would support three fonts, let me know.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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#421455

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2015-08-29 06:06 -0700
Message-ID<385f65ae-b782-4450-ac17-167c377465dc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421412
On Saturday, 29 August 2015 04:12:26 UTC+1, Greg Goss  wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In article <ntt972.1z51@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
> >> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
> >> >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>At this stage, I think I would be ashamed to have enouch chutzpah
> >> >>to attempt getting anything published by anybody, e- or not.
> >> >>Particularly since it wouldn't bring in any money.
> >> >
> >> >I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
> >> >print and I will promote it on my site.
> ...
> >> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
> >> different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
> >> of any?
> >
> >Fonts can be embedded in PDFs, whether there's a free/cheap tool to do 
> >that though I have no idea.
> 
> I've tried and failed to read PDFs on my phone, and failed every time.
> For someone who reads probably five hours a day on that screen, the
> frustration with PDF means that it's likely incompatible with small
> screens.

I think you're saying that the phone is incompatible with you -
as a book reading device anyway.  Except for epub, somehow.

But <https://www.google.co.uk/get/cardboard/> is a cunning,
possibly sickening, virtual reality accessory for smart phone,
which appears to include magnifying lenses.

Yes.  Cardboard.  Literal cardboard.

Except for the lenses.

> Pretty much everything I read is in epub.  I have no idea what epub is
> doing with fonts -- I tend to tune out fonts.  But I won't read PDFs
> on my phone, and 95% of my book reading is on the phone.
> -- 
> We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#421460

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-08-29 08:18 -0600
Message-ID<d4dt93FrqbsU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#421455
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, 29 August 2015 04:12:26 UTC+1, Greg Goss  wrote:

>> I've tried and failed to read PDFs on my phone, and failed every time.
>> For someone who reads probably five hours a day on that screen, the
>> frustration with PDF means that it's likely incompatible with small
>> screens.
>
>I think you're saying that the phone is incompatible with you -
>as a book reading device anyway.  Except for epub, somehow.

Epubs get reflowed to fit the screen they're sitting on.  PDFs always
preserve the layout that they were defined with, usually aimed at a
piece of paper.  This is almost never aimed at a 3.5 inch screen.

I hate the default reader bundled with Kobo or Kindle.  I buy my books
from Kobo and crack them to use in a generic reader.  On the phone, I
use Moon Reader.  On the laptop I use the reader bundled with Calibre.

>But <https://www.google.co.uk/get/cardboard/> is a cunning,
>possibly sickening, virtual reality accessory for smart phone,
>which appears to include magnifying lenses.
>
>Yes.  Cardboard.  Literal cardboard.
>
>Except for the lenses.

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#421476

From"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu>
Date2015-08-29 13:03 -0400
Message-ID<unfh45jikamc$.1sop7rvi3w3ob.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#421460
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:18:12 -0600, Greg Goss
<gossg@gossg.org> wrote
in<news:d4dt93FrqbsU2@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> I hate the default reader bundled with Kobo or Kindle.  I
> buy my books from Kobo and crack them to use in a
> generic reader.  On the phone, I use Moon Reader.  On
> the laptop I use the reader bundled with Calibre.

The reader with the Kindle app for PC is inferior to the
Calibre reader, but the Kindle tablet itself is fine.

[...]

Brian
-- 
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties.  The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

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#421510

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2015-08-29 15:58 -0600
Message-ID<d4eo7aF4105U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#421476
"Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:18:12 -0600, Greg Goss
><gossg@gossg.org> wrote
>in<news:d4dt93FrqbsU2@mid.individual.net> in
>rec.arts.sf.written:
>
>[...]
>
>> I hate the default reader bundled with Kobo or Kindle.  I
>> buy my books from Kobo and crack them to use in a
>> generic reader.  On the phone, I use Moon Reader.  On
>> the laptop I use the reader bundled with Calibre.
>
>The reader with the Kindle app for PC is inferior to the
>Calibre reader, but the Kindle tablet itself is fine.

That's what I meant to say (PC and Android versions).  For reading in
the sun, I also have a Kobo mini.  Kobo prices are better than Kindle.
The Kobo mini has inferior ergonomic design (button beats touch screen
for one hand use) to earlier Kobos.  Never played with a kindle other
than looking over shoulders.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#421508

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org>
Date2015-08-29 22:27 +0100
Message-ID<vq84ua5c8bq92bk7m62tgad5j0hvj661ua@4ax.com>
In reply to#421460
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:18:12 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>Epubs get reflowed to fit the screen they're sitting on.  PDFs always
>preserve the layout that they were defined with, usually aimed at a
>piece of paper. 

There is a PDF format that is flowable, "dynamic pdf", though I've never
met a reader that understands them except Adobe Reader - which makes it
pointless since that'll be on a decent size computer screen. But,
y'know, might be useful knowledge to someone.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected
abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the
last time you needed one?"                  - Tom Cargil, C++ Journal
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#421397

From"Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net>
Date2015-08-29 01:00 +0100
Message-ID<d4cb0iFgbchU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#421380
"Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote

> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

>>I can tell you there's an audience for The Interior Life. Get it back in
>>print and I will promote it on my site.

> Well, I'll tellya.  I am begining to think about it, having been
reassured by my daughter that *I* will not have to do any
marketing whatsoever, she and her friends (who include Seanan
McGuire) will do it by word-of-mouth, or rather, by word-of-net.

> But the problem is finding an e-platform that will support three
different sets of fonts (roman and italic for each).  Do you know
of any?

Well the first step is to generate a proof of concept as a RTF or DOC file 
using three fonts

Is there one or two chapters in TIL that use three that you can call out ?

This can then be converted to say ePUB and checked



> (Kindle is definitely out, since they allow the *reader* to
choose different fonts, but they would all be the same font per
reader.  I figured that out even before Graydon Saunders, whom I
have never met but whom, based on his work, I place not far from
the left hand of God, told me that his ancestors would all rise
up and haunt him if he published with Kindle, or words to that effect.)

Even this violation of the laws of creation may be possible since Kindle now 
has a (embedded) Publisher's font option which a small pub who provides 
Kindle compatible ebooks may be able to access.


-- -- 
Mike D 

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